We begin this hour with chaos, but not very much in terms of compromise on capitol hill. Time is running out for congress to prevent a shutdown of the federal government. Lawmakers have only six days left to strike an agreement on a Spending Bill to pay for nonessential services. House speaker Kevin Mccarthy concedes he doesnt have the votes because members of his own party, gop hardliners, are still defying him. That could have many effects if it comes to pass. All federal workers and Military Personnel would stop getting their paychecks. Border enforcement could be suffer and flights could be delayed. Lets discuss more with republican congressman Mark Molinaro of new york, member of the main street caucus, moderate republicans working to negotiate a plan to avoid a shutdown. Thanks very much for being with us on this sunday evening. How likely is it that well see a deal this week to avoid a shutdown . I think we all truly within the House Majority conference, recognize a shutdown is not in the interest of america or americans. Listen, there are deeply held beliefs were negotiating. Ive been engaged in very tense conversations, but i think were moving the needle. The goal has been to try to move package and Appropriations Bills that show we respect taxpayers, that we cant continue to spend dollars we dont have, borrow away future generations, and at the same time confront our border security. Were making progress and thats whats important. Youve reportedly said and let me know if i dont have have exactly right, youd be willing to core going around your party leaders, forcing a vote of a shortterm funding bill to prevent a shutdown. Is that happening . Are there conversations happening right now to make that happen . Ill confront the way you framed it. At the end of the day we have a bipartisan government, republicans in the house, democrats in the senate. We will need a bipartisan solution. Ive said, as have several others, ill work with anyone in earnest to confront the challenges that face this country. First and foremost, i think we have the construct of at least a plan to get these Appropriations Bills to the floor, have a hearty debate about them and hopefully make very clear to the American People that we have to shrink the size, scale and scope of the american government. When everyone else over the course of the last eight month that have said maybe the House Republicans cant do it. Weve pulled it off. Border security and other efforts meant i think to really speak out on behalf of the American People. But let me just pin you down on that if you dont mind for just a moment. Youre saying at the moment, you would prefer not to work around Party Leadership in the Republican Party and work with democrats in whats sometimes called a discharge petition, to sort of force a vote on a shortterm Spending Bill. Youre saying youre confident at this point that you could work this out among your republican colleagues . Is that what im hard of hearing you say . I believe that it is possible, and i believe it is necessary. Two years ago democrats controlled the house. Massive federal spending that fueled inflation, driving up the cost of everything. By the way, a president and a democratic majority that has ignored the crisis at our border, both the humanitarian crisis and tens upon thousands of individuals coming into this country. Id like us to assert a very strong set of principles that drives down spending, secures the border and respects the american taxpayer and negotiate from there. Ive said this clearly, it doesnt do anyone any good to shut down government. Having lived through it as a local elected official, living through Government Shutdowns in the past, the president will be empowered to make choices that quite frankly arent going to do very well for the people i represent, nor for the people that work for the American People. My hope is we can get closer to agreement. Ive been engaged in those negotiations actively. Id like to put our best foot forward. The speaker mentioned a few days ago there are members of your conference that are willing to burn the place down, the way he described it. Is that your sense of it, too . Listen, we inherited a house thats been on fire respectfully. My view is that these are deeply held beliefs from people all across the country, and just in those moments where weve all thought House Republicans couldnt come together, we did, securing large increases in pay for servicemen and women, clawing bako individual spending when necessary, ensuring that military men and women no longer live under the vaccine mandate. I just wouldnt necessarily give in just yet. These are hard conversations, but the American People demand we work through those. If that us doesnt work out, you cant do it, does your speaker survive this . Yeah. Kevin mccarthy is giving us and empowering us to have these negotiations. Listen, id rather not talk about the hypothetical of us not getting it. Lets continue to work hard only eight months now in congress. Every day we decide we cant do something, until we did it. Id rather engage in that earnest effort to get to the Finish Liesh V Line on behalf of the American People. Theres a political question in this. In 2020 your District Voted for biden by almost five points. You run your race in 2022 with just over 50 of the vote. Are you concerned youll lose your seat if theres a shutdown . Have you communicated to some of these Freedom Caucus members that they might be putting your seat in jeopardy if they force a shutdown . I dont think that a shutdown is inevitable, and im working every day to keep us from going there. I dont think its in the best interest of anybody. Ive been working with the Freedom Caucusgoers. I wouldnt say i would have it on my bingo card that me and dan bishop would be working together. The truth is weve got to move the needle further. The people that sent me to congress, they believe that the president and the democratic control has driven up the cost of everything from gas to groceries. They want us to drive down costs and confront Public Safety and national security. You know that there are im sure many democratic colleagues who will say when donald trump was in the white house and lots of republicans up on capitol hill who were in his party and in power on capitol hill, they didnt drive down the cost of government, they didnt reduce the deficit. The deficit went up, the debt went up and you missed your chance there. Dont you have to compromise and Work Across Party Lines and get this done . Of course, of course we do. We have bipartisan government by design or default. I think its in the best interest of america that the house comes forward with as conservative a plan we can respecting taxpayers and negotiate from there, just as we did with the largest reduction in american debt in history. I think its in our best interest to make that argument and negotiate from there. Jim, obviously i wasnt in congress when President Trump was there. I with wasnt in congress the last two years when trillions of dollars in spending forced up the cost of goods and services in this country. Right now we have the opportunity to set things straight. We ought not give up. The House Oversight committee will hold the first public hearing on the Impeachment Inquiry of President Biden. You said you support that inquiry. Are you worried about the political risks . As you know, impeachments can backfire politically. Its happened before. Its happened to republicans before. I didnt come to congress to impeach anybody, but i also wouldnt turn my back on corruption. Having grown up in New York State politics, i can tell you too often weve allowed corruption and impropriety to tax new yorkers. Corruption is a tax on the American People, and its our responsibility to provide oversight. Jim, let me also say have you found any evidence of corruption on the part of the president. Jim, i know i can chew gum and walk at the same time. Have you found any evidence of corruption on the president s part, or is this a Fishing Expedition . No, i dont think so i think theres little question that hunter biden was engaged in influence peddling. The question is whether Government Resources and influences were part of those conversations. Thats what the constitutional requirement is youre saying you have a question of it. You dont have any evidence or proof . Dont you usually have to have evidence or proof to go into an Impeachment Inquiry . Jim, weve seen obviously bank transactions. That said, thats what an inquiry is. We ask the question. We get the answer, and the American People deserve it. Again, having lived in new york for too long, turning our back on corruption and impropriety is never a good idea. You think its bad timing to be going into an Impeachment Inquiry like this when you cant even keep the government running . Were focused on meeting the needs of the American People. I dont think theres ever the right time or the wrong time to confront impropriety and corruption. If only i could do it on my schedule. At this point we have questions to ask, and members like me will continue the work we have to do on behalf of the people we represent. Congressman marc molinaro, thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Thanks, man. Be well. Thank you. Still ahead, former Trump White HouseAid Cassidy Hitch Inson opens up about her Bombshell Testimony to the January 6th Committee and whether she still stands behind it. A sample from an astroid arrives on earth after a sevenyear journey. Stay with us. Youre live in the cnn newsroom. Ravy. Avoid the wait by scheduling fofor you. Or the whole crew. Or if you prefer to just pop in . . Do you. And if you wanna eveven tack on a covid19 vaccine to your flu shot, feel free and speaking of free . Our flu shots are. Well. Free. Really . Yes, really. Healthier is getting a flu shot on your schedule. 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I knew people i could easily reach out to for jobs. I had friends. Have you talked to either tony or bobby since . I have not. I have not talked to many people in the trump world since the day of my testimony. Cnn senior crime and justice correspondent Kaittelyn Polantz joining me. We havent heard from Cassidy Hutchinson since she testified to the house several months ago. Shes out with this book tour and being quite reflective about what has happened to her since coming forward, that she has feared for Herselfity At Times since testifying. Shes reflecting a little bit about what happened, why she wasnt initially willing to recall thing that she did remember when she had a lawyer who was paid for by donald trump, and then another lawyer came in to help her, someone not in the trump fold who then took her before the house for that Bombshell Testimony. Here is a little bit about how she explained that period of time and that shift that she made. I felt torn a lot of the time because i knew what i knew and i wanted to come forward with what i knew, but at the same time i didnt want to feel like i was detraying them. You looked over the transcript and you counted the number of times you said i dont know, i dont recall. You said i dont know and i dont recall more than 100 times. Yes, in the final transcripts it was ridden with i dont knows and i dont recalls. It was information that i very clearly recalled. , si jim, the other thing she saying is she stands by the the, including things questioned the most, things not corroborated by others, such as this moment that she heard about from aides of trump where donald trump was lunging in the suv to go to the capitol. I have a feeling well be hearing a lot more about her. Is she saying anything about the 2024 race . She is. Shes been quite clear. This is a person who served in a very senior role, was among the people in the room with donald trump many times with Chief Of Staff mark meadows. She said now she will not back the former president as he runs for president again in 2024. She says, quote, he was dangerous for the country, hes dangerous for the country. Katelyn polantz, thank you very much. Cnn will interview Cassidy Hutchinson this week. You can tune in tuesday at 4 00 p. M. Eastern on the lead with jake tapper. Joining us, john avlon and political commentator margaret hoover. Great to see you as always. Lets button up the conversation about Cassidy Hutchinson. She said she had major Security Concerns after testifying before the January 6th Committee. A period of time she had to live in tlaept, i believe she was saying. Thats pretty striking, that she had to leave town because of this Threat Environment that a lot of former trump employees go through when they speak out against the former president. What went through your mind when you heard some of that . Im really grateful for Cassidy Hutchins on to have com forward. This Security Concern is just another combam example of the kind of repercussions, the person with the moral courage to do the right thing had to deal with. Thats something we really need to think about in our political system, as we ratchet up the rhetoric, as its gotten coarser and weve made enemies out of our political opponents. This is getting hotter and hotter to a point where this is not sustainable in a Representative Democracy that operates securely. Her comments really gave me pause and made me think about how all of us have a responsibility. John, what do you think . Theres an atmosphere atmosphere and intimidation directed at people with the courage to tell the truth. Thats bodyguard of lies. Thats a situation tha