In the industrialized world isnt the guns. It has to be that america is the only country in the world that has video games. Hello everyone. Im don lemon. The stories youre talking about in just a moment. But first, lets get you up to speed on the days headlines here. Clinics and hospital Emergency Rooms across the country are packed with people sick with the flu, rolling up their sleeves for a flu shot. The cdc director says we wont know more weeks if the flu season has peaked. 47 states are reporting widespread flu activity right now. The brother of ailing venezuelan president hugo chavez says he is recovering well from his latest search. Chavez is being treated for cancer in cuba. Hes been unable to return to cuba for a planned inauguration. Chavez has not been seen in public for about a month. An operation to free a french spy captured in somalia has failed. Frances president said two soldiers died possibly along with the hostage. France has come to the aid of malis fragile government in its fight against islamic militants. Those fighters are linked to al qaeda. The man known as the american taliban has won a legal battle allowing him and fellow inmates to gather for daily prayers. A judge ruled yesterday the prison warden was violating his rights but not allowing the religious activities. He pleaded guilty to supplying services to the taliban. A lot more is plans for you this saturday night. Heres what else were working on. After the newtown tragedy, the loud cry that enough is enough. Mass shootings must stop. We wont prevent them all. But that cant be an excuse not to try. Since then, weve seen action. Not new laws but a huge spike in gun sales and crazy talk. 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. But get ready, the president appears ready to make some changes with or without congress approval. A warning from one psychologist. The actions and attitudes of women are making them a lot like, well, men. Theyre trying to keep up with the boys. Its a trap. Its a freedom trap. One recent example, binge drinking. You wont believe this scary trend for american women. And baseballs alltime hit king on his new reality show. His ban from the hall of fame and how some of the biggest names were shut out of the hall because of suspected steroid use. We push for answers. Why are you putting me on the spot like that . I have people from tlc standing right here ready to knock me in the head. First, well start with guns. It is the kind of statistic that on the surface seems to make no sense. During december, the same month that saw the heartbreaking tragedy in newtown, connecticut, the fbi conducted a record 2. 8 million checks for gun purchases, a record for a single month. In other words, a lot of americans reacted to the horror of that terrible day by rushing out to buy a gun. Since that day, and unlike after past shootings, the old debate over gun rights who should buy them and what kind that they can guy has only gotten more intense. Vice President Joe Biden on tuesday will present the president with his task forces recommendation for reducing gun violence. Mental health, violent video games and School Safety have all been a part of his agenda. He even met with the n. R. A. But the group said it was, quote, disappointed in their discussion. That discussion is stirring passion from dinner tables to talk shows nationwide in ways we havent seen in a very long time. Heres our own piers morgan with a radio host who started a petition to get piers deported over support for gun control. The tyrants did it. Hitler took the guns. Stalin took the guns. Castro took the guns. Chavez took the guns. 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms. Doesnt matter how many lemmings are out there begging for them to have their guns taken. We will not relinquish them. Thats why youre going to fail and the establishment knows no much how much propaganda, the republic will rise again. My family was at the core on both sides starting the santa ana because santa ana came to take the guns at gonzalez, texas. Piers, dont try what your ancestors did before. Why dont you come to america, ill take you out shooting. Become an american and join the republic. Paranoid. Were going to cover this debate tonight in different ways than you have been hearing so far. Democratic congresswoman Jan Schakowsky is in chicago. Lou palumbo, a former new York Police Officer who now owns his own Security Agency and sam granillo, a survivor of the columbine shooting in 199. And hes also a filmmaker. Good to see you all. An Administration Source tells cnn that the president will push for a new assault weapons ban assuming its passed, do you think it would work . Lou . Im sorry. I apologize. I was dozing on you. I do not believe the Assault Rifle ban is going to have any dramatic impact on the Violent Crimes in our country. Its interesting this young lady from illinois would probably be aware that in chicago where you basically have no access to firearms, they have shootings at epidemic proportions. Passing more gun laws isnt going to fix the problem. They need to put an immense amount of concentration into enforcement. Congresswoman, you want to respond to that . Yes. The conventional wisdom is now that the National Rifle association, if they oppose a piece of legislation, that its doomed. But theres a new reality in this country. And the debate has been transformed by the faces that everyone saw of those little children who were killed as sandy hook school. And made people think, do we really need these kinds of weapons where people can go into a classroom and in less than a minute destroy the lives of these beautiful little children . I think that the debate has been completely transformed and that the power of the n. R. A. Im not talking about n. R. A. Members, now. Im talking about the leaders and the lobbyists. Has really been diminished in the minds of the public. And i think theres a new determination that stronger laws, that stronger regulations are not inconsistent with the Second Amendment and that absolutely it is time for us to do something about getting the hands the guns out of the hands of the wrong people and have some stronger regulation. 95 of americans, according to a cnn poll, believe that there should be universal background checks. I would certainly hope theres no disagreement on this panel about background checks. And even members of the n. R. A. As well. Sam, you lived through columbine. Whats your reaction when you see another mass shooting like newtown . Well, every time these things happen, its so gutwrenching. But we have to figure out what the bottom line is here. Is it gun control . Is it mental therapy and options and stuff like that and counseling . Gun control, it needs its own regulations. No ones going to take anyones guns away. No ones going to storm into peoples houses and take what is theirs away. I think the problem is there needs to be more regulation on just how easy it is to get a gun. Every circumstance is so unique and so individual. As far as columbine goes, even if they didnt have any guns, those guys wanted to do some damage and they were going to find out any which way they possibly could to make that happen. So is it a gun problem . Not necessarily. I think its a good combination of so many things. But we have to look at both sides. You cant just be pissed off one way or another saying, no ones going to take the guns out of my hands, or being on the other side saying that were not going to give you guns. Everyone has to look at both sides sort of evenly or no ones going to listen to your point of view. Its an interesting sort of paranoia about taking guns way that i dont really understand. It is a hypothetical that someones going to take your guns away and theres going to be some sort of tyranny when the reality is that people are being killed by assault weapons all the time. At these Mass Shootings, thats what theyre using. A couple of things i want to say. First of all, the solution to this problem that we have is a cumulative product. Theres no magic wand, if you ban Assault Rifles, the problems going away. There are many denominators that are causing this problem today with our young people. First, we have to examine what the Information Network is, or the information highway is to our children. We teach them in video games and movies explicit ways to perpetrate violence with the very same weapons being used in these Mass Shootings, number one. But, lou, let me respond to that. When people talk about video games i know that violence were afraid to put nudity on television but well put violence on television and in video games. But in other countries, people play and watch these violent video games more so than in this country and they have less gun violence. Why are we plaming a video game . A video game doesnt kill anyone. People with guns kill people. Don, im not blaming video games. Im saying cumulatively we need to examine many components or aspects as to what is lending itself to this problem. And you may very well be right about what goes on in other countries. But the reality of the situation is theres a dynamic in our country that we have to address. And gun control solely isnt and thats why the Vice President has been meeting with people that represent all aspects of this. But to say that the weapons themselves these powerful militarystyle assault weapons and the assault magazines that can kill that can shoot off 100 rounds in a short period of time, why does anybody, a normal person have to have that kind of weapon . To take guns off the table is just ridiculous. Maam, youre right. It is absolutely ridiculous. If i can speak to this for one second. I want to say one thing to you, so everybody has a clear understanding about this weapon that were referring to. This ar15type weapon was introduced to the American Public for consumption in around the mid 60s. Its been here for over 45 years, that weapon. It should never have been released to the American Public. Just like the high capacity automatic pistols that were designed for us in Law Enforcement to offset the disparity in our weapons against the bad guys. We released those as well. It was done so we could make money. The horse is out of the stall. Thats one of the problems were facing here. The reality of it is that that gun went pretty much unnoticed for about 35 years. In the past decade or so, were having a rash of these shootings. So you have to really take a bit more of a measured approach as to exactly whats going on here. It isnt just the fact that these guns are in the hands of people that shouldnt have them. There is a big issue with the Mental Health. Its a big issue with the psyche of americans. It is. Lou, i understand what youre saying. Id much rather go up against someone who has a knife or who has a bottle or who has a baseball bat than someone who has an ar15 and who are mentally unstable. I could stand a good chance with the other and thats a whole other thing. You cant just say that youre going to even fare better against a knife or whatever. Sure, statistically, a knife, it seems more safe than one of those crazy guns. But you have to look at the psychology. When you go through Something Like this, you dont know how youre going to react. You dont know how youre going to respond. Sure, someone will come at you with a knife but what if you freeze . What if you turn around and trip and hit your head on something and you die that way . Let me bring in a little can i bring in a little reality here . There is a growing consensus in this country, vast majorities of ordinary americans, people in chicago who are tired of seeing 500 killings last year alone, going to funerals every weekend of kids that are killed, are saying that we have got to do something about the guns. That we can at least take these assault weapons as we have before, that we can deal with the assault magazines, that we can have background checks for everyone. And i think these are straightforward, simple ideas that most americans now agree to. I really think in the minds of most american people, the debate is over. Its a question of whether or not members of congress are going to respond to this need. Jan the National Rifle association is being unfair jan, i think youre being remiss. Im sorry, lou. I have to get to a break. Well be back. Well talk more about this. You guys will be back. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. A man listens in over the phone as his wife at home fends off an intruder. Shoot him again. Shoot him. Oh, no some argue she needed more firepower. Well talk to the sheriff handling the case next. The tragedy in newtown is reenergizing activists who want new restrictions on gun ownership. But gun rights activists are pointing to a different shooting to defend their point of view. A woman and her two children fled to their attic in atlanta last week as a man with a crowbar forced his way into their home. She took a loaded. 38 revolver with her. She called her husband at work who called 911. The intruder forced his way into the house, broke through two more locked doors and eventually discovered the woman and her kids. Her husband on the phone with the 911 operator described what happened next. She shot him. Shes shooting him. Shes shooting him. Shes shooting him. Okay. Shoot him again. Shoot him. Oh, no. Joining me now is sheriff joe chapman of walton county, georgia, outside atlanta where the incident happened. Sheriff, thank you very much for joining us here tonight. This woman fired all six bullets hitting the suspect five times. He survived. Hes now in the hospital. Did she do the right thing . Absolutely. Without any question she did. Yeah. And some say that she may have needed more firepower. What do you think . Well, ive heard all the debates and what i would have done, what she should have done, what kind of ammunition she should have used, she done what she needed to do at that moment in time. I want you to take a listen to this. The man in charge of gun owners of america told our piers morgan that its good this woman defended herself but she could have used even more firepower. When you have one woman in a closet who is only able to deter an assailant whos found her and her kids with five shots that hit the guys head and he still walks out of the house, she was out of bullets in her sixshot revolver. If there had been two assailants, i dont think she would have done so well. Is this an argument, as we set, for more firepower this is why people have guns in their homes, to defend themselves against situations like this. But do you think it has anything to do with the high capacity magazines and the Assault Rifles that everyones been debating lately . Thats always going to be a debate. If someones breaking into my home and im afraid, i want every weapon i can get my hands on. If i could have an m1 abrams tank in my closet, i would love to have that. But this lady has a. 38 revolver. And it turned out good for her. Yeah. How does it feel lets talk about personally now. Youre a sheriff. You came into the building. And anytime a guest comes in, we get an alert that says, sheriff joe chapman is here. And we had to take his gun. Well, i actually made it all the way upstairs before they found it. And what happened . They asked me to walk through a metal detector and i told them i had my weapon with me and they said that i couldnt come in with it. And you said, you can carry your weapon into the capitol but you cant bring it into cnn . Absolutely. Is that odd for you . Pretty odd. Youre straight out of you look like a sheriff. You look like the poster boy for what a sheriff should look like. Does that mean, though, because youre a sheriff, what do you think of gun laws and what do you think of Assault Rifles on the street . I have friends in Law Enforcement who say some of them say, im so glad youre bringing up this thing about Assault Rifles because were outgunned on the street. And others say, people should be allowed these. Where do you stand on that . I have a little bit different observation of what youre calling assault weapons. Im prior military. Im not afraid of them. Im welltrained with them. My sons actually own i guess what you would consider assault weapons. Like i said before, an assault weapon to me is an m60 machine gun, a mark 19 grenade launcher or something to that effect. I get confused when i hear this argument because i can do quite a bit of damage with a shotgun that i use for bird hunting. Right. If someones tactically efficient with a firearm, it really doesnt matter what kind it is, they can do just as much damage with a lever action rifle or a pump Action Shotgun as a semiautomatic rifle. That seems to be the argument for people, though, who want more restrictions on these semiautomatic rifles. Did you hear what general Stanley Mcchrystal said . Hes been on a number of shows. He said those weapons are and the bullets in those weapons are to do major damage in a war zone and on the battlefield. And he doesnt feel that they should be on the streets. Well, thats his opinion. Yeah. I watched this debate. My opinion isnt going to change someone elses opinion. I think you underestimate yourself, though, as a member of Law Enforcement, you said youre a member of the military as well. I think your opinion is very important. You should be one of the people who has a leading voice. Who have a leading voice in this. Well, i live in a different environment, too. I work for people in a different environment than what we see going on in some of these places where Mass Shootings are going, to the best of my knowledge. I live in a great county. We have a great population of people. And thats not to say that Something Like that couldnt happen in walton county. It very easily could. But we havent reached the point of where we have gangs and that sort of thing. Do you think more restrictions more gun restrictions will reduce crimes . I dont think its going to make a difference at all. Thank you, sheriff. We already have some laws now that ive tried to enforce that the federal authorities people