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Confirm that the signals are from the missing plane. Okay. At about the same time that the pings were detected, a search crew in the air says they flew over some white objects floating in the area, and reported pipgs and the newfound debris are adding cautious new energy to the frustrating search that has lasted nearly a month. Military and civilian airplanes, 13 in all crisscrossed the area, and some of them ships with hightech scanners worked on the ocean surface. And this is all being run out of perth, australia, and that is where our Senior Correspondent Matthew Chance is with us, and in beijing is cnns david mckenzie. And matthew, to you first. Just after 6 00 in the morninger and when do you expect to see the search planes wheels up . Well, they should be coming off of the operation now, and the whole issue of the chinese apparently finding the pings, outside of the actual area that was being searched has thrown some confusion into the mix. What the australian coordinators are looking for is more information about what has exact ly been found, and what assets to best use with the chinese search, and then they will make the decision to deploy the assets. At the moment though, what everyone is stressing both in china and here as i understand it is that theres no linkage or proven linkage found yet that has anything to do with the missing Malaysian Airliner, and they want much more information before they commit to saying that. Don . Matthew, a plan to hit this area where the chinese reportedly heard the pings and saw stuff floating in the water . Well, you certainly hope that there would be, i mean, given that it is the best potential development in the story, and the most developmental part of the story in the last few weeks, but if will is a plan to do that, the chinese coordinators are not talking about it. You have a sense that there is a degree of friction here, because this information is not from them, but the chinese, themselves, and they are circumventing the normal channels of communication, and there are eight countries involved in the international search, and only one, china, refuses to pass the information through the regular channels and that is beijing, and that is a source of some confusion, and so we dont know what the news is going to be, because it is sunday morning here. And here in australia, they will get together the koord nayers or the and decide the course of action, don. And now the david mckenzie, and what is the reaction to the news in china, and are people optimistic that it might be it . Well, don, i think that people are jaded by this point. We have all been watching this search go on, and as matthew said, it has been fruitless in the recent days. Certainly the family members of those on board who are stuck here in beijing waiting for any credible evidence have told us that they want to to see more. They said that they have bp here before, and they have had these leads that have seemed credible, and then those leads have been dashed. So i think that from the family members point of view, they are holding out for more information, and hopefully to get some physical debris, and that is what they have told us that they want. From the media side, and certainly two state media reporters on the haixun vessels, and these pings or the pulses that they describe it, these pulses that they appear to be the most credible lead for some time, but also here in china, both state media, and the Government Agencies are cautioning at this point that there is no conclusive evidence that it is linked to the missing plane. Don . And david, talk about the communication between the chinese and the koord coordinat australia, because there is some frustration that the chinese are releasing the information first through the staterun media. Well, it is unclear yet if there were prior conversations that we dont know about before they were released on staterun media, but it is clear that the australians knew about it before it came out in cctv and xinhua news. It may be part of the way that the chinese do the business, because it is a very topdown setup, and that all of the information that needs to come through beijing, through the military leadership here, and then be disseminated to malaysia and to australia. It is unclear if there is a logjam in the information and where it went, and too, certainly, the chinese do their business their own way, and it appears that they are not kind of using the same level of communication directly with the Australian Authorities a as others are, but certainly, they are putting a huge amount of effort into the search. More than 150 passengers on board, don, as you know, were chinese nationals, and so it is clear they want to put every effort they can to get some clarity and closure in this, because china obviously has so much vested interest in the search. All right. Thank you, david mckenzie, and Matthew Chance, and for a month, it has come down to this. Find the pinger and then find the plane. So could the pulses heard by a chinese ship be the real thing . I want to bring in our army captain art wright, and you say that this is probably not the black box, and why is that . Well with, it could be the black box, but it could be a number of other sounds in the ocean, also. That frequency of kilohertz is very popular for fishing sonas s and mine hunting sonars and if you look at the Weapons Systems in the world, you will find that there are several 37 kilohertz sonars out there. And so if somebody is testing one of those, and turns it on for a short period of time, you would get a number of pings separated by a second. We need to know more about the signal, and then the search group in perth can figure out what to do with it. And also, people should know that there is a lot of ship traffic, and sea life in the southern indian ocean, and does it impact the ability to hear the pings . 37. 5 kilohertz is a pretty frequency that is pretty clear in the ocean spectrum, however, there are dolphins that can make clicking sounds, and i believe 37. 5 kilohertz is one of their frequencies, also, so perhaps the people at scripps ought to tell us about the sounds that dolphins can make. Yes. And tell us about the equipment that is needed to hear the ping s. Is this something that the chinese have, and they are using . I understand it is a system made in the u. S. , and it is a standard sonar crystal item that changes a voltage to the mechanical pulse that pushes out into the water the, and once you have that crystal, you can fairly straight forward to make a pinger or a pinger receiver. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. You wanted to the Say Something else, Richard Quest . I would like to the is he still there . Yes. I want to quickly. It is Richard Quest and, sir, looking at the pictures that we have seen where you see the basically the fishing pole with the microphone being shoved over the side of the small boat, it does not look very sophisticated compared to what we have been led to believe are the the ocean shie shield. I mean, is it likely with such rudimentary methods that they have picked something up . It is possible. Simple is better, and if that signal can travel through the water and reach that hydrophone, you will get a response. And they have evidently think they have heard a response. And also, any sew for tn sonar out there at 37. 5 kilohertz will see the frequency as with well. And thank you so much. And i will get to the panel shortly, but richard, you wanted to get in on that, and very great question. 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The search and recovery continues, and this is the sunday agenda, what they are going to be looking at. 10 military planes, two civil planes and 13 ships will assist in the search. They have set up three separate search areas, and the i have not given the coordinators on that, but this is the important part, don. Reports of night that the chinese ship haixun has picked up pings cannot be verified at this point in time. They continue to the refine the search area. What they are not saying here, and what they are not saying is that they are going to that area to see if it is anything there worth searching. So that does not mean that they are not. Right. But we have to see what the three separate search areas are that they have established for today and get the coordinates for that, and we will get those in the next couple of hours. And the email i am reading is the same thing that you have. And imagine, imagine if it is the last bit of the ping left that they picked up, and you know, today is like the last day, right . That is pretty much it . We think so. Yes. And we know it is 30 days, but we also have been told the by the experts it could be 40 days, as well, and it is not a cliff of it dropping off, but a slow decline of the amplitude of the signal. And also depends on the flight data recorder and when it was last serviced. And yes, we are told that the batteries are relatively new according to the authorities from malaysia. And the chief exec said that the batteries were due to expire in june of this year, and they have a sixyear life. And due to expire in june of this year, and the president of the company who makes them basically says that they are tested so that at the date of expiration, they are still at maximum thrust. So les, as a pilot s this the part of the discussion, because you guys have to go through the training, and do you get testing every now and again regarding . Do you have to reup, and recertify as pilots . Recurrent training. And so do they talk about the new technology, and the old flight data recorders, and this is the Old Technology and this is the changing technology, and well, don, if it is relative to the operation, they will talk about it, but this is not something that we get. We know that the black boxes exist, and we only get involved with them if we have an incident or accident of some sort. So this is not necessarily, and not necessarily an area that we would get into. But is there something, because obviously, when, as a pilot, you are the number one thing is the safety of the passengers, correct . Absolutely. Something that you would like to see done differently with the data recorderings . Would you like to see them the updated in some way, and maybe you dont know how, but you would like to . Well, we can always pull data off of the and as a matter of fact, my airline pulls the data off of it for safety purposes to discover trends before they are issues and that is off of the digital flight data recorder, but the best way to ensure all of this is to use what we have in the north atlantic is to have constantly streaming Data Available to us. That is going to require a lot of possible Security Issues and things of that nature so that the right people get the right stuff. But, this is a whole different ball game if these pingers run out, right, mike . Well, you cant find smoke without fire, and i cant think of a situation in contemporary history where you have found the black boxes before debris, and it is almost inconceivable. And there is nothing conceivable about this story. That is right. There is nothing orthodox, but we have to run with what we know. However, the search will go on if the pingers stop pinging, and they will do within the next ten days, and the search is going to go on the look for the debris, but the big thing today is once again the credibility of the investigation being tested and if i were james huiston, i would be upset, because this is a situation where you dont have anything leaked and you are not going to have anything open for misinterpretation, and you will not give it out unless it is verified. And that is why richard said, it cannot be verify ied at any tim and the chief will have said, i want nobody talking to any media, and i want this information secure, and im going to be the chance that it is leaked. And it is water under the bridge now, and i totally agree with what you are saying, but it is water out under the bridge. We have to find out if it is credible. If i can apologize, and if anybody thinks that i am being rude to you, i am actually emailing and awe you are always on the blackberry, and what he is doing is answering the viewers question questions. No, i am emailing the sppts and the teams in perth to to find out the details of any of the search areas are actually the same as the ones that are in the ping zone that the chinese claim to have heard. And people think that the we dont like each other, because we are always going back and forth. That is just our relationship. We do the same thing off television, and by the way, hueston. Okay. I will make sure i say that correctly. Thank you, welcome aboard as a analyst. And there were some people who said that there were some curious things inside of the m simulat simulato simulator, and we will go inside and find out what those curious things are next. music defiance is in our bones. Defiance never grows old. Citracal maximum. Calcium citrate plus d. Highly soluble, easily absorbed. 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So when i looked at the map where the ping was heard, the line is very nicely with that. Almost exact ly to the arc. It is off to one side. Off to the east a little bit, but it coincides with where the last ping s and it is almost identical, and right on that route. And what we would really love to know if we had more information on this, of course, is what were the exact locations and them, of course, if you knew the altitude that the aircraft was flying at and the fuel levels, we could plug it in, and technically say, can the simulator fly us to that spot with fuel or running out around that point, and would the simulator bear it out, but there more that we have to know, and it also brings up the issue of the partial ping, the eighth partial ping, because it is always believed that if you knew where that came from, you had a pretty good idea, mitchell, that is where the aircraft was in its final stage. That is right. Yes. And it is probably going into the water at that point. So it fits is what we are saying, and still a lot of skepticism if that is really the ping. Well, les abend has a question. What do you want to nknow, les . Well, marty, are you putting in a lat long to go to that position at a particular altitude . Im not in the ffmc, and maybe should address that to mitchell . Well, go ahead. That is what we we had discussed doing the very thing. First of all, i dont have the lat long, and if i did secondly, on this particular fmc, i cant input it. The most i can do is to get the distance from perth, and west in the case, 120,000 miles whatever the case is and just prior to that location. Okay. Standby, and hold on, when you say lat long, you are talking about the latitude and the longitude, and when he says fmc and he cant do that, what is that . Well, the flight management computer, and he has to enter the specific coordinates on the chart that we are seeing today. And is it different in the u. S. Or no, it is the same. He can enter it very easily, but you know, you have to know what the altitude is in order to determine when the fuel would run out, and certainly, this is possible. And you know, marty and mitchell, we are seeing these, and i am wondering if the investigators are doing the same scenarios that you are doing when they come up with where they found these possible pings today. I wonder if they do the similar scenarios to try to figure out how to hone in on a specific search area. Yeah, it is a really good question, and one i have been wondering as well. I would imagine they have access to just about any resource they would need at this point. Yes, the guys are going to be in the real level b simulators with the full functionality, and they have so many resources, and it is the government, and so they have resources that go on and on. And beyond what we have here, so i would expect that they would be doing as you say, plotting it out, and trying it out, and see if it works. I dont know why i have an idea that marty and mitchell are flying around even when im in bed just all over, everywhere. Sorry, guys

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