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Believed this situation was becoming untenable. With the president becoming increasingly unhinged about the border crisis and making unreasonable and even impossible requests. Lets get right to cnns Boris Sanchez at the white house tonight. Boris, bring us up to speed on what we know. Thats right. Were just learning from my colleague jeff zeleny about some of the feelings in this meeting on behalf of secretary Kirstjen Nielsen. A source close to her tells cnn that she did not resign willingly. That she was under pressure to do so by President Trump. The source telling us that nielsen did not fight to keep the job and did not grovel or try to beg for the position. We should add some context here. I spoke to a white house source previously who sort of laid it out this way. She was brought in under chief of staff john kelly to head the department of Homeland Security, but the president was never fully convinced that she was the right person to lead the department. Ultimately, she stayed for an extended period in large part because the white house was going through so much turmoil. So many different people leaving, and they would have a difficult time finding a replacement for her. Further, i was told the former chief of staff kelly defended her in that role when he left in december. It kind of opened the door for her to leave. Ultimately, she took the brunt of the president s frustration on the issue of immigration. What many in the administration have called a broken system and a crisis at the border. I did want to add to what you noted about the president making these sort of unreasonable or unhinged requests of agents at the border telling them to stop migrants. This is something i hear almost every day from sources that President Trump makes requests that are impossible. Now critics will charge the president with being authoritarian and try to supersede his actual power. Others will defend him in saying that hes somebody who doesnt totally understand politics. He doesnt come from this world. He doesnt know what a president can legally do or cannot do. And he sort of needs guardrails to sort of instruct him in the right direction. Despite all of that, the president clearly upset and frustrated and wanting a change at the department of Homeland Security. I did want to read to you a portion of nielsens resignation letter. Listen to this. Quote, despite our progress in reforming Homeland Security for a new age, i have determined that it is the right time for me to step aside. I hope that the next secretary will have the support of congress and the courts in fixing the laws which have impeded our ability to fully secure americas borders and which have contributed to discord in our nations discourse. Our country and the men and women of dhs deserve to have all the tools and resources they need to execute the mission entrusted to them. Our homeland is safer today than when i joined the administration. So nielsen sort of pointing the finger at congress and at courts suggesting thats part of the reason she couldnt fulfill the president s vision for the immigration system. And clearly he wanted somebody new in that role, ana. Boris sanchez, thank you. Cnn had reported as far back as november that trump had been eyeing replacements for nielsen, frustrated at her handling of his signature issue, immigration. On the very day nielsen thanked officials from el salvador, guatemala and honduras for working on what she hailed as an historic pact to target unauthorized migration, the president tweeted that those countries were doing nothing. He threatened to cancel aid to them altogether and to close the u. S. mexico border entirely. The president s forecarustratio immigration evident just yesterday during an event in las vegas. Listen. So Congress Must end catch and release so that illegal Border Crossers can be quickly and safely returned to their home. Get out. Sorry, get out. Sorry. Cant handle it. And i told my people yesterday, our country is full. Were full. Our system is full. Our country is full. Cant come in. Our country is full. What can you do . We cant handle anymore. Our country is full. Cant come in. Sorry. Joining us now, david gergen, cnn senior political analyst and former adviser to president s nixon, ford, reagan and clinton. Joe lockhart, Clinton White house press secretary, jewuliet kayyem is back, and matt lewis, senior columnist for the daily beast. David, first to you, what are your thoughts regarding Kirstjen Nielsen resignation . It looks like they want to turn off the lights on the statute of liberty, doesnt it . I think the politics of 2020 are playing a significant role in how this is unraveling. The president made, as you say, made immigration a signature issue of his campaign. He created a sense of crisis that wasnt there, but he wanted to make sure everybody knew how important this was. And then he set off to fix it, and everything hes tried to do hasnt worked. I think hes extremely frustrated because he wants, in 2020, he wants to go back to immigration, scare people again, bring them into get himself reelected and then hell probably forget about it. But i think for the next couple of years, he really wants to change direction. And its very clear in what the administration did just a few days ago, with a fellow they had in line for running i. C. E. , that they said, no, no, no, were going to withdraw that because hes not tough enough. We want somebody tougher. Its very clear thats what they want here and we ought to keep an eye on steve mueller. Well talk more about him in a moment. First, joe, since we havent heard from you yet. Whats your reaction . Well, i think its an important Inflection Point to look at what david said was the signature issue for donald trump. It has failed across the board. Its failed politically. The midterms were about it. The republicans lost in a virtual landslide in the house. From a policy point of view, it has failed because the numbers keep going up. They cant claim anything. And then this whole idea that mexico was going to build the wall and or pay for the wall and were going to build a wall. Nothing has happened there. Nobody really expected that. And even the most troubling is you solve these problems by going to the source of them. You dont solve them by building a wall. If people are leaving the country you increase aid to those countries to help those countries to make life better for people so they dont try to emigrate. Theyve made every decision and i think shell be remembered as, you know, one of the worst Public Servants weve seen in a generation. And whose fault is that, that she was one of the worst Public Servants . She has the most unreasonable boss in the president but shes implemented the zero tolerance policy. Shes the person who separated families at the border. Shes the person who had to admit that they didnt know where the families were. That its unconscionable what they did. And none of this has worked. So none of it is surprising. Again, this is really about the president , and this is a policy thats failed and i agree with david completely that what hes trying to do is to create so much fear that youll have to stick with the guy who is there rather than who the democrats nominated. It hasnt worked out on the policy side. Administration officials telling cnn that secretary nielsen believed the situation was becoming untenable. That the president was becoming increasingly unhinged about the border crisis and making unreasonable, even impossible requests. We keep hearing that word unhinged to describe the president. What do you make of this . I am this is a very familiar pattern. It sometimes seems to get worse than it was before. But he has been unhinged on any number of issues. And i think he gets himself all spooled up, really, really angry, lashes out. Gets rid of people. Blames people. Never takes any blame on himself. Never takes any blame for mistaken policies, terrible errors of judgment. And by throwing people out, he looks like hes a tough guy. And i come back to this, but the toughness is central to the persona he wants to create for voters. He helped to win with 2016 and he wants to win in 2020 by being this big, tough guy who will break all the rules in order to protect patriotic americans from this terrible scourge. And its playing upon the fears, and it has the overtones of authoritarianism. He always wants to say, i dont care about the damn rules. Were full. Nonsense and its against the law as you keep saying, ana. We van acting dhs secretary now. An acting i. C. E. Director. An acting department of defense secretary. Matt, a quarter of the president s cabinet is in acting capacity or unfilled. Is this a pattern . Yeah, its a pattern. You have to think donald trump likes that. Theyll not build their own silos, their own fifedoms. These are people who are more than your normal Secretary Department head. Beholden to the president. Thats probably just the way he likes it. I dont know if this is going to be ongoing, right, like the chief of staff, acting chief of staff. There may be, just like we have an attorney general now, there may eventually be somebody in charge of dhs. But i think this is part of the trump playbook, certainly. Juliette, the interesting thing here about nielsen is while we have the reporting that she and the president werent necessarily always on the same page, she stood by the president. She tried to implement the policies that he desired. And even in her resignation letter, she is not pushing back against him. She continues to toe the line, so to speak. And i think about what happened with mattis when he resigned, and that was because he said i cant do this anymore. I dont see eye to eye. I dont believe this is in the best interest of the American People and the National Security of this country. Does it surprise you that nielsen went out this way . Not at all. I dont think theres any evidence in the Public Record, and she really wasnt known before she became secretary. I dont think theres any evidence in the Public Record to suggest that she is very different than donald trump. These rumors and stories that we heard about her broken heart, and shes trying to placate trump, but she feels bad about it. Those are always put out by people in the administration when they get bad press. But i didnt believe it because, look, she chose to be the face of the family separation. I just want to begin and end with that. An ahistor col, immoral and unsuccessful policy that ultimately you cannot talk about without talking about secretary nielsen. So i just dont see any evidence to suggest that she was heartbroken about these policies. And her problem was not donald trump. It was reality. It was the reality of what border enforcement is. It is simply you try to minimize the number of unlawful crossings, allow access to lawful crossings, the hundreds of thousands that we have a day. And you protect or at least give some hearing to asylum seekers. Its not rocket science. It is difficult. It is emotional. The president , as david said, by calling it a crisis, by acting like we had no resources to deal with an issue that we had been dealing with. The numbers were going down. Simply created this crisis in numbers that we see now. Theyre going up. And so if everyone just kept their heads, this would have been a challenge that we could address. But instead the president is basically the instigator of the failed policy which then he uses, of course, to buttress his antiimmigrant stance. One could argue hes doing that purposefully. I wont. Ill simply say that we are in a circular firing squad when it comes to the border and the president has to face reality that his policies are ineffective. Everyone stand by. Got to squeak in a quick break. Our breaking news continues right after this with reaction from the 2020 candidates. Stay with us. Memories. What we deliver by delivering. But some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. Fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. Some only call when they have something to sell. Fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. And while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. Fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other money managers. Fisher investments. 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Your Perfect Hotel room for the perfect price breaking news on cnn. A major shakeup in the president s cabinet. The secretary of Homeland Security, Kirstjen Nielsen, is out. Handing in her resignation during a sunday meeting at the white house. A resignation, a source tells cnn, was not given willingly. And that she had been under pressure to step down. Many of the men and women running for the white house are tweeting their reactions. We have this from massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. About time. Nielsens legacy of tearing innocent families apart will follow her for the rest of her life, and she should be ashamed of the role she played. She was completely unqualified to lead dhs, and thats why i voted against confirming her. Julian castro sending this. Secretary nielsen has been a willing partner in the most cruel and shortsided immigration agenda in decades. We must defeat donald trump and create a more compassionate and sensible immigration system that puts people first. From senator kamala harris, Kirstjen Nielsen misled the American People and defended trumps inhumane policy of separating children from their parents. It was long past time for her to go. This from senator kirsten gillibrand. I voted against Kirstjen Nielsens nomination and called for her resignation over the administrations Inhumane Treatment of immigrant families six months ago. What this country truly needs is a moral reset on immigration policies. We wont get that in this administration. Back with us now, david gergen, Juliette Kayyem andio lockhart. The feeling seems to be good riddance. How are the 2020 hopefuls going to paint nielsens sudden resignation . Or how do they use this issue of immigration now moving forward in the election cycle . Oh, i think that the issue right now is very ripe for the democrats. And its not surprising. I think 2020 politics, both sides now, heavily. And what you see here is that democrats are first of all making a point that nielsen was running an immoral policy. That she should be ashamed. And that sort of thing. But theyre also talking about the chaos. And how these things arent working. Those are two issues that at the end of the day, the democrats have to have their own formula on immigration that is a lot more solidified than where they are right now. Theyre all over the lot with so many candidates. But the only way they can really succeed on this issue is to have their own policy, too. Joe, put yourself in the job of being in the White House Press office right now. Whats going on there . Chaos. And i think chaos is what they depend on. Theres a pattern here. A couple points. Whenever the narrative is going in the wrong direction, like the last week or so has been for the president , on a number of fronts, he always comes back to immigration. He always comes back to where he announced his candidacy. That im going to stop the animals, the rapists, the criminals from coming in. So thats a very deliberate strategy. So i think they are pursuing that strategy. We saw before the Midterm Election we saw before the Midterm Election that were going in the wrong direction. It made it worse but that was their strategy. I think the real injustice here, though, and it goes to davids point of whats the democrat strategy going to be . We had a moment when trump became president where there was a deal. Where democrats and republicans came together, put 25 billion together to actually strengthen the border, do all sorts of new technology, deal with the daca situation with the kids here because of their parents entering illegally. And the president had signed off on it. And a guy by the name of Steven Miller killed it. Hes never gotten a single vote. Three or four years ago was a junior aide to Boris Sanchez<\/a> at the white house tonight. Boris, bring us up to speed on what we know. Thats right. Were just learning from my colleague jeff zeleny about some of the feelings in this meeting on behalf of secretary Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a>. A source close to her tells cnn that she did not resign willingly. That she was under pressure to do so by President Trump<\/a>. The source telling us that nielsen did not fight to keep the job and did not grovel or try to beg for the position. We should add some context here. I spoke to a white house source previously who sort of laid it out this way. She was brought in under chief of staff john kelly to head the department of Homeland Security<\/a>, but the president was never fully convinced that she was the right person to lead the department. Ultimately, she stayed for an extended period in large part because the white house was going through so much turmoil. So many different people leaving, and they would have a difficult time finding a replacement for her. Further, i was told the former chief of staff kelly defended her in that role when he left in december. It kind of opened the door for her to leave. Ultimately, she took the brunt of the president s frustration on the issue of immigration. What many in the administration have called a broken system and a crisis at the border. I did want to add to what you noted about the president making these sort of unreasonable or unhinged requests of agents at the border telling them to stop migrants. This is something i hear almost every day from sources that President Trump<\/a> makes requests that are impossible. Now critics will charge the president with being authoritarian and try to supersede his actual power. Others will defend him in saying that hes somebody who doesnt totally understand politics. He doesnt come from this world. He doesnt know what a president can legally do or cannot do. And he sort of needs guardrails to sort of instruct him in the right direction. Despite all of that, the president clearly upset and frustrated and wanting a change at the department of Homeland Security<\/a>. I did want to read to you a portion of nielsens resignation letter. Listen to this. Quote, despite our progress in reforming Homeland Security<\/a> for a new age, i have determined that it is the right time for me to step aside. I hope that the next secretary will have the support of congress and the courts in fixing the laws which have impeded our ability to fully secure americas borders and which have contributed to discord in our nations discourse. Our country and the men and women of dhs deserve to have all the tools and resources they need to execute the mission entrusted to them. Our homeland is safer today than when i joined the administration. So nielsen sort of pointing the finger at congress and at courts suggesting thats part of the reason she couldnt fulfill the president s vision for the immigration system. And clearly he wanted somebody new in that role, ana. Boris sanchez, thank you. Cnn had reported as far back as november that trump had been eyeing replacements for nielsen, frustrated at her handling of his signature issue, immigration. On the very day nielsen thanked officials from el salvador, guatemala and honduras for working on what she hailed as an historic pact to target unauthorized migration, the president tweeted that those countries were doing nothing. He threatened to cancel aid to them altogether and to close the u. S. mexico border entirely. The president s forecarustratio immigration evident just yesterday during an event in las vegas. Listen. So Congress Must<\/a> end catch and release so that illegal Border Crossers<\/a> can be quickly and safely returned to their home. Get out. Sorry, get out. Sorry. Cant handle it. And i told my people yesterday, our country is full. Were full. Our system is full. Our country is full. Cant come in. Our country is full. What can you do . We cant handle anymore. Our country is full. Cant come in. Sorry. Joining us now, david gergen, cnn senior political analyst and former adviser to president s nixon, ford, reagan and clinton. Joe lockhart, Clinton White<\/a> house press secretary, jewuliet kayyem is back, and matt lewis, senior columnist for the daily beast. David, first to you, what are your thoughts regarding Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a> resignation . It looks like they want to turn off the lights on the statute of liberty, doesnt it . I think the politics of 2020 are playing a significant role in how this is unraveling. The president made, as you say, made immigration a signature issue of his campaign. He created a sense of crisis that wasnt there, but he wanted to make sure everybody knew how important this was. And then he set off to fix it, and everything hes tried to do hasnt worked. I think hes extremely frustrated because he wants, in 2020, he wants to go back to immigration, scare people again, bring them into get himself reelected and then hell probably forget about it. But i think for the next couple of years, he really wants to change direction. And its very clear in what the administration did just a few days ago, with a fellow they had in line for running i. C. E. , that they said, no, no, no, were going to withdraw that because hes not tough enough. We want somebody tougher. Its very clear thats what they want here and we ought to keep an eye on steve mueller. Well talk more about him in a moment. First, joe, since we havent heard from you yet. Whats your reaction . Well, i think its an important Inflection Point<\/a> to look at what david said was the signature issue for donald trump. It has failed across the board. Its failed politically. The midterms were about it. The republicans lost in a virtual landslide in the house. From a policy point of view, it has failed because the numbers keep going up. They cant claim anything. And then this whole idea that mexico was going to build the wall and or pay for the wall and were going to build a wall. Nothing has happened there. Nobody really expected that. And even the most troubling is you solve these problems by going to the source of them. You dont solve them by building a wall. If people are leaving the country you increase aid to those countries to help those countries to make life better for people so they dont try to emigrate. Theyve made every decision and i think shell be remembered as, you know, one of the worst Public Servants<\/a> weve seen in a generation. And whose fault is that, that she was one of the worst Public Servants<\/a> . She has the most unreasonable boss in the president but shes implemented the zero tolerance policy. Shes the person who separated families at the border. Shes the person who had to admit that they didnt know where the families were. That its unconscionable what they did. And none of this has worked. So none of it is surprising. Again, this is really about the president , and this is a policy thats failed and i agree with david completely that what hes trying to do is to create so much fear that youll have to stick with the guy who is there rather than who the democrats nominated. It hasnt worked out on the policy side. Administration officials telling cnn that secretary nielsen believed the situation was becoming untenable. That the president was becoming increasingly unhinged about the border crisis and making unreasonable, even impossible requests. We keep hearing that word unhinged to describe the president. What do you make of this . I am this is a very familiar pattern. It sometimes seems to get worse than it was before. But he has been unhinged on any number of issues. And i think he gets himself all spooled up, really, really angry, lashes out. Gets rid of people. Blames people. Never takes any blame on himself. Never takes any blame for mistaken policies, terrible errors of judgment. And by throwing people out, he looks like hes a tough guy. And i come back to this, but the toughness is central to the persona he wants to create for voters. He helped to win with 2016 and he wants to win in 2020 by being this big, tough guy who will break all the rules in order to protect patriotic americans from this terrible scourge. And its playing upon the fears, and it has the overtones of authoritarianism. He always wants to say, i dont care about the damn rules. Were full. Nonsense and its against the law as you keep saying, ana. We van acting dhs secretary now. An acting i. C. E. Director. An acting department of defense secretary. Matt, a quarter of the president s cabinet is in acting capacity or unfilled. Is this a pattern . Yeah, its a pattern. You have to think donald trump likes that. Theyll not build their own silos, their own fifedoms. These are people who are more than your normal Secretary Department<\/a> head. Beholden to the president. Thats probably just the way he likes it. I dont know if this is going to be ongoing, right, like the chief of staff, acting chief of staff. There may be, just like we have an attorney general now, there may eventually be somebody in charge of dhs. But i think this is part of the trump playbook, certainly. Juliette, the interesting thing here about nielsen is while we have the reporting that she and the president werent necessarily always on the same page, she stood by the president. She tried to implement the policies that he desired. And even in her resignation letter, she is not pushing back against him. She continues to toe the line, so to speak. And i think about what happened with mattis when he resigned, and that was because he said i cant do this anymore. I dont see eye to eye. I dont believe this is in the best interest of the American People<\/a> and the National Security<\/a> of this country. Does it surprise you that nielsen went out this way . Not at all. I dont think theres any evidence in the Public Record<\/a>, and she really wasnt known before she became secretary. I dont think theres any evidence in the Public Record<\/a> to suggest that she is very different than donald trump. These rumors and stories that we heard about her broken heart, and shes trying to placate trump, but she feels bad about it. Those are always put out by people in the administration when they get bad press. But i didnt believe it because, look, she chose to be the face of the family separation. I just want to begin and end with that. An ahistor col, immoral and unsuccessful policy that ultimately you cannot talk about without talking about secretary nielsen. So i just dont see any evidence to suggest that she was heartbroken about these policies. And her problem was not donald trump. It was reality. It was the reality of what border enforcement is. It is simply you try to minimize the number of unlawful crossings, allow access to lawful crossings, the hundreds of thousands that we have a day. And you protect or at least give some hearing to asylum seekers. Its not rocket science. It is difficult. It is emotional. The president , as david said, by calling it a crisis, by acting like we had no resources to deal with an issue that we had been dealing with. The numbers were going down. Simply created this crisis in numbers that we see now. Theyre going up. And so if everyone just kept their heads, this would have been a challenge that we could address. But instead the president is basically the instigator of the failed policy which then he uses, of course, to buttress his antiimmigrant stance. One could argue hes doing that purposefully. I wont. Ill simply say that we are in a circular firing squad when it comes to the border and the president has to face reality that his policies are ineffective. Everyone stand by. Got to squeak in a quick break. Our breaking news continues right after this with reaction from the 2020 candidates. Stay with us. Memories. What we deliver by delivering. But some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. Fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. Some only call when they have something to sell. Fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. And while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. Fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. Maybe thats why most of our clients come from other money managers. Fisher investments. Clearly better money management. Now kayak and opentable let you earn travel rewards every time you dine. Earn points with each restaurant reservation on opentable and redeem them for hotel discounts on kayak. Get started at kayak. Com diningrewards. You wouldnt accept an incomplete job from any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. And all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. Flonase sensimist. You can barely feel. Oneeeee. Did you try this one . Feel this one. Its amazing twooooo. Its nice. But its kinda pricey. Hi. Hi. You cant skimp on a decision this important. A mattress is where youll spend over half your life and eat all your meals. But its all good. Just use pay it plan it. Pay it plan it is a payment feature from american express. Choose a monthly plan to split up large purchases over time with no interest and a fixed fee. Need me to help you carry this to your car or. The powerful backing of american express. Dont live life without it. Introducing miraclegros next big thing. Performance organics. Finally organics that work. Tested and refined by plant scientists. For twice the results, guaranteed. Dont grow a snack, grow a feast. Dont grow a flower, grow a Million Dollar<\/a> view. This new organic collection of soil and plant food is what you always wanted. No compromise, just results, guaranteed. Miraclegro performance organics. burke at fso we know how ton almost evercover almost anything. Even rooftop parking. Strange forces at work . Only if youre referring to gravityand we covered it. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum did you know the exact same hotel room. Whoooo. Can have many different prices . Thats why tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites to find the lowest price on the hotel you want. Your Perfect Hotel<\/a> room for the perfect price breaking news on cnn. A major shakeup in the president s cabinet. The secretary of Homeland Security<\/a>, Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a>, is out. Handing in her resignation during a sunday meeting at the white house. A resignation, a source tells cnn, was not given willingly. And that she had been under pressure to step down. Many of the men and women running for the white house are tweeting their reactions. We have this from massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. About time. Nielsens legacy of tearing innocent families apart will follow her for the rest of her life, and she should be ashamed of the role she played. She was completely unqualified to lead dhs, and thats why i voted against confirming her. Julian castro sending this. Secretary nielsen has been a willing partner in the most cruel and shortsided immigration agenda in decades. We must defeat donald trump and create a more compassionate and sensible immigration system that puts people first. From senator kamala harris, Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a> misled the American People<\/a> and defended trumps inhumane policy of separating children from their parents. It was long past time for her to go. This from senator kirsten gillibrand. I voted against Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a>s nomination and called for her resignation over the administrations Inhumane Treatment<\/a> of immigrant families six months ago. What this country truly needs is a moral reset on immigration policies. We wont get that in this administration. Back with us now, david gergen, Juliette Kayyem<\/a> andio lockhart. The feeling seems to be good riddance. How are the 2020 hopefuls going to paint nielsens sudden resignation . Or how do they use this issue of immigration now moving forward in the election cycle . Oh, i think that the issue right now is very ripe for the democrats. And its not surprising. I think 2020 politics, both sides now, heavily. And what you see here is that democrats are first of all making a point that nielsen was running an immoral policy. That she should be ashamed. And that sort of thing. But theyre also talking about the chaos. And how these things arent working. Those are two issues that at the end of the day, the democrats have to have their own formula on immigration that is a lot more solidified than where they are right now. Theyre all over the lot with so many candidates. But the only way they can really succeed on this issue is to have their own policy, too. Joe, put yourself in the job of being in the White House Press<\/a> office right now. Whats going on there . Chaos. And i think chaos is what they depend on. Theres a pattern here. A couple points. Whenever the narrative is going in the wrong direction, like the last week or so has been for the president , on a number of fronts, he always comes back to immigration. He always comes back to where he announced his candidacy. That im going to stop the animals, the rapists, the criminals from coming in. So thats a very deliberate strategy. So i think they are pursuing that strategy. We saw before the Midterm Election<\/a> we saw before the Midterm Election<\/a> that were going in the wrong direction. It made it worse but that was their strategy. I think the real injustice here, though, and it goes to davids point of whats the democrat strategy going to be . We had a moment when trump became president where there was a deal. Where democrats and republicans came together, put 25 billion together to actually strengthen the border, do all sorts of new technology, deal with the daca situation with the kids here because of their parents entering illegally. And the president had signed off on it. And a guy by the name of Steven Miller<\/a> killed it. Hes never gotten a single vote. Three or four years ago was a junior aide to Jeff Sessions<\/a> who has hijacked our immigration policy and found a willing person to work with in President Trump<\/a>. And the democrats, i think, what they need to do is go back to that proposal, which is this is a complicated issue. You cant just build a wall and say its done. And you need to deal with daca, you need to deal with putting more money at the border. Democrats instinctually are afraid of this issue because its a wedge issue. It is an emotional issue, but they shouldnt be afraid now. It can be a very powerful one for them in 2020. Matt lewis, if it is Steven Miller<\/a> who is sort of orchestrating the immigration policy or position of this administration right now, we know he had a hand in it with ron vitello and his nomination pulled from being the head of i. C. E. Should we be bracing for an even intense even more intensified border crisis . Well, thats very possible. Look, i think that a couple of things. First if you look at the wave of appointments, right, so you start with john kelly. Somebody who is a serious person who is independent to some degree from donald trump. Then you end up with nielsen who i think was trying to implement policies that Steven Miller<\/a> and donald trump wanted. Doesnt absolve her, but trying to implement it. I think the next person more likely will be an ideologue, someone like a Steven Miller<\/a>type person. So look, part of the m. O. Of Steven Miller<\/a> and i think steve bannon before him was that it doesnt get better until it gets worse. They have this weird apocalyptic strategy. They want things to be bad. They like chaos. Thats not thats a feature, not a bug. We saw it with the family separation. Part of the strategy, they wanted it to be so bad that it would be a deterrent. Now, that didnt work out, but that was their strategy. And so that i think it would be reasonable to conclude we might be seeing more of that in the coming months. And we talked to trumps biographers who have also said that this is a man who thrives in chaos. Juliette, how dependent is dhs security in the department on its secretary . Its very dependent to set policy. Theres a whole bunch of operational components, secret service, fema, i. C. E. , cbp. Coast guard, of course. Thats what we call the muscle in the department. So thats about 200,000plus men and women who are, you know, protecting our borders, our infrastructure, protecting our cybersecurity from any threat, whether its immigrants or terrorists or climate event or a pandemic. So it is important and sort of setting the policy for the department. For the most part, a lot of our Public Safety<\/a> and security, obviously, starts at the local level and then goes to a state and then the department. But when it comes to, does the department matter in terms of im in terms of border enforcement, the question is absolutely yes. It does in aviation with tsa, maritime, with coast guard and then cbp and i. C. E. With the border. That sounds like a lot of acronyms but dhs failures at the secretary level in having policies that have been effective permeates the men and women who are on the field every day. I have often said if you think donald trump actually likes cbp agents, you would you would be surprised because you would never put a cbp agent at a border with, lets begin from day one, with a muslim ban that they knew nothing about beforehand. With the family separation plan they were not trained or authorized or had any idea what to do when they separated these kids from their parents. And then, of course, now with this antiasylum issue. President trump does not support first responders. He uses them. Thats what were seeing on the ground throughout the department and then, of course, at the border. My thanks to all of you. Juliette, matt, david, and joe, i appreciate it. 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This comes just one day after President Trump<\/a> made this controversial declaration in las vegas. So Congress Must<\/a> end catch and release so that illegal Border Crossers<\/a> can be quickly and safely returned to their home. Get out. Sorry. Get out. Sorry. Cant handle it. And i told my people yesterday, our country is full. Were full. Our system is full. Our country is full. Cant come in. Our country is full. What can you do . We cant handle any more. Our country is full. Cant come in. Im sorry. Joining us now, cnn chief media correspondent and anchor of reliable sources brian stelter. Did President Trump<\/a> go too far with that comment, our country is full . Did Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a> just no longer fit in . I hope shell tell us. I hope shell speak out about what happened. Maybe what went wrong inside the administration. It seems tonight shes trying to strike a cordial note. Try to be friendly on the way out. Maybe that will change in the weeks and months to xcome. Weve not seen many cabinet officials break with him after leaving. It speaks to the broader problem weve seen with his comments about immigration and why its been so hard for officials like nielsen to respond. He is talking about a situation that is so far unteths untether the facts. All the inaccuracies about immigration, all his misunderstandings or misimpressions about how this world works has created an almost impossible situation for those trying to provide what he wants. It seemed nielsen wanted to hold on to her job. She was making the rounds on tv. New reporting she was doing interviews on tv in part to impress President Trump<\/a> in order to make him pleased with her performance. Nielsen was on Tucker Carlsons<\/a> show the other night talking about this being like a category 5 hurricane. The situation on the border being like a category 5 hurricane. She was trying to make that impression, maybe trying to reach the president directly. Carlsons show is one of these right wing opinion shows that stirs up hatred of immigrants. She chose that show to appear on. Also a lot of criticism of nielsen on fox news. Lets play a quick thought from Laura Ingraham<\/a>. Mr. President , sometimes sometimes your rhetoric doesnt match the policy. And were getting sometimes mixed messages. Mr. President , you are the only leader on the scene who can keep americans and their wages, frankly, safe. But for that to happen, consistent, bold policy and followthrough with the determined rhetoric. Got to have the policy followthrough. Do you think that has anything to do with what we saw . Laura ingraham sounds like shes trying to be the White House Communications<\/a> director. Trying to give the president a message. The president has been under pressure not just from Laura Ingraham<\/a> but others on fox and right wing media. The pressure has been there for two and a half years but its been ramped up. Lou dobbs on fox business call for him to fire nielsen. Said the country is in danger of tens of thousands or even millions of americans being killed by illegal immigrants. The rhetoric on some of these fox shows is extreme. But it is what the president is hearing all the time and contributes to his frustration and struggles on this issue. But thats going to continue. The president wants a black or white solution to what is a situation filled with grays. Thats the bottom line problem. I also think this is now going to be his third dhs secretary, whoever comes in and replaces nielsen. And does this just go to show that, really, there is no messenger other than the president when it comes to this issue specifically. His signature issue. Could anybody do the job to his liking . He believes hes the most tapped in to what his audience wants to hear on this issue. So far seems dissatisfied by everyone coming along trying to solve it for him. But there is no black or white solution. 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Joining us now, cnn National Security<\/a> analyst samantha vinegrad, a former member of president obamas National Security<\/a> team. Whats your reaction to both statements from schumer and pelosi . Ive been in the white house when president s decide that its time for a cabinet secretary to move on or when a cabinet secretary actually resigns. Sometimes that is over differences of opinion. The difference here is that President Trump<\/a> and secretary nielsen have really seen eye to eye on the radical policies that schumer and pelosi reference in their statements. And what i really want to know is what happened behind the scenes . Was secretary nielsen asking for things the president didnt want to give, or did she really point out to him that laws matter, regulations matter and that she cant do some of the things hes asking her to do. It raises a larger point of, what is President Trump<\/a> actually looking for in a cabinet secretary . What is he actually using them for . I dont think he wants a new secretary of Homeland Security<\/a> or new secretary of defense or really emboldened secretary of state. What he wants is people to be his propaganda puppets and to do what he says when he says it and not come to him with actual facts or analysis that differ from his own opinions which are drawn, by the way, from who knows where. How much does it matter who he puts now in that role as nielsens replacement . I actually think it matters a lot less than under any previous administration. I cringe to think who is tougher than Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a> and who is going to be more radical in terms of supporting the president s views publicly on these inhumane and horrifically illconceived policies. Because the president doesnt really listen to his team, to a certain extent, these positions are placeholders and he makes policy by tweet. He discounts what his experts say, and i think thats going to be a big part of the calculus of anybody who was even considering putting their hat in the ring for this position. Now just add one more to the name of acting cabinet secretaries. We have acting defense secretary. Patrick shanahan. Acting secretary of the interior, david bernhart. Jonathan cohen, acting ambassador to the united nations, just to name a few. Sam, with so many temporary chiefs, what is the potential impact on National Security<\/a> . The potential impact is no other government is operating with half a team, right . Every other government has almost a fully confirmed cabinet, if not a fully confirmed cabinet. This really speaks to the president s character and signals abroad that he cant retain and attract top talent for any period of time. And i think really gives insights, unfortunately, to our adversaries about what kind of manager he is and what kind of team he runs. That does not do us a great service. It paints him as really an unhinged, to use a word thats been used a lot about him. Would unpredictable be a good thing in terms of keeping adversaries on their toes . I dont think that governing by fear has been a proven National Security<\/a> tactic thats worked. That is what President Trump<\/a> has done with National Security<\/a> when hes threatened to close a border and then backed down, threatened fire and fury and backed down. In Kirstjen Nielsen<\/a> was so scared about getting fired that she want fox news and other outlets and gave these interviews to try and save her job, i wonder what the other cabinet secretaries are feeling about their job security tonight and whether they need to enter some tough of the guy in the room contest. Samantha, thank you. Be right back. burke at farmers, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even rooftop parking. Strange forces at work . Only if youre referring to gravityand we covered it. Talk to farmers. 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And a source telling cnn she didnt go willingly. New reaction now to the shakeup coming in from a powerful republican, senator ron johnson, the chair of the senate Homeland Security<\/a> committee saying this. As our hearing last week clearly demonstrated, we have a crisis at our southwest border. We need steady, informed and effective leadership in the administration and in congress to have any hope of fixing our outofcontrol Border Security<\/a> and immigration problems. Cnns Polo Sandoval<\/a> is joining us now. Youre hearing new reaction from those inside dhs. Right. My colleague geneva sands hearing from an official at the department of Homeland Security<\/a>. Its interesting what were hearing from this particular official here, which is basically explaining why this official believes that or at least one of the factors that went into the decision that happened today. This official telling our colleague that according to what they know is that nielsen did everything she could to make the problem better, saying this official obviously referring to this surge of migrants at the border that weve seen especially the last couple of weeks. And when asked if she met the president s expectation, this official telling our colleague that she met the expectations of the speed of government. Congress has a lever here and the worst place for one to be, according to this official, is in that kind of situation. So what were getting from this individual is that the problem got bigger on her watch and there was only so much that she could do to actually fix the problem. You spent a lot of time at the border. Youre from mcallen, texas. Youve been in touch with some of the border officials who are working on the ground. What are you hearing from them . Theres a lot of disappointment and its important to point out this isnt necessarily the communities along the border. This is the Law Enforcement<\/a> community. Ive heard from two Border Patrol<\/a> officials there on the ground who said they personally liked working with her. She visited the border on many occasions. She told her colleague chris cuomo, went at least two dozen times to the region during her tenure. Youre seeing a lot of concerns from Law Enforcement<\/a> on the ground is, will the replacement, whether it be the temporary that weve discussed, or the longterm replacement reflect less of the ideology of the president and more of the operational aspects of the daytoday performance of the department of Homeland Security<\/a>. As weve mentioned, the department the Border Patrol<\/a> aspects of this, the immigration aspects, its one piece of the pie. A significant one but theres so much others in what were seeing now, the temporary replacement, somebody who does have that experience when it comes to immigration, but then theres fema. And Hurricane Season<\/a> is around the corner. So there will be, obviously, a lot of pressure on that replacement, whether it be the temporary one or the longterm. But again, yes, she has been the subject of plenty of criticism, but she also had her share of support, particularly among the men and women who patrol that 2,000mile border. Polo sandoval, thank you for that reporting. Why a mostly forgotten tax scandal involving nixon is getting a new look under President Trump<\/a>. Pay as much for insurance. As not safe drivers ah that was a stunt driver. Thats why esurance has this drivesense\u00ae app. The safer you drive, the more you save. Dont worry, im not using my phone and talking to a camera while driving. Im being towed. By the way, im actually a safe driver. 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Now kayak and opentable let you earn travel rewards every time you dine. Earn points with each restaurant reservation on opentable and redeem them for hotel discounts on kayak. Get started at kayak. Com diningrewards. When a nasty cold wont let you sleep, try nyquil severe with Vicks Vapocool<\/a> whoa and vaporize it. Ahhhhh shhhhh nyquil severe with Vicks Vapocool<\/a>. The vaporizing nighttime, coughing, aching, stuffy head, best sleep with a cold, medicine. Stop me if this sounds familiar. A secretive president under audit, or so he says and facing mounting questions about whether there was something hidden. Something fishy deep within his tax returns. No, not donald trump, but Richard Nixon<\/a> who gave this speech in 1973. I want to say this to the television audience. I made my mistakes, but in all of my years of public life, i have never profited, never profited, from public service. Ive earned every cent and in a a all of my years of public life, ive never obstructed justice and i think, too, that i can say that in my years of public life, that i welcome this kind of examination because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, im not a crook. Ive and earned everything i got. Nixons famous i am not a crook line spoken about a mostly forgotten tax scandal is getting new attention these days as the fight over trumps tax returns heats up. Joining us now, cnn president ial historian and former director of the nixon president ial library, timothy naftali. Tim, nixon had been facing allegations he was grossly underpaying the government. Do you see parallels between the pressure he was facing and what trump is facing right now . Well, i see parallels in that Richard Nixon<\/a> was hiding things. He didnt want the public to know. And in the end, hi paid over 400,000 in back penalties and taxes to the irs because hed actually taken a deduction that he wasnt allowed to take. He had sold his papers. He had basically donated his papers to the u. S. Government and taken a huge Tax Deduction<\/a> k when it was no longer possible to do so. I dont know whether President Trump<\/a> is guilty of tax evasion, but Richard Nixon<\/a> was. Well, and thats why i was asking about the pressure they were both facing. Youre right. We dont know what is, perhaps we dont know. In the tax returns. But let me ask you, tim heres what the New York Times<\/a> reported this week. Sorry. We have a delay. You go ahead first. No, i was just going to say that in the end, the house decided in a bipartisan vote not to make cheating on his taxes one of the articles of impeachment against nixon. The house decided that while thats a crime, thats not an impeachable crime. The New York Times<\/a> reported this week that after democrats took control of the house, trump tried to get the senate to fast track his nominee for irs chief counsel even before the chamber had held confirmation hearings for attorney general, william barr, and i bring that up because when nixon ultimately released his returns, he had them vetted by congress and congress inhouse office of nonpartisan tax experts. Not the irs. Why was that . Well, i mean, at the time, i believe what nixon was trying to do was to regain some public confidence. One of the really interesting parallels is that nixon had people placed in the irs to make it possible for him to use the irs politically and one of the one of the scenes tonight in tonights episonpisode of t dick is a product of the creation of the enemies list which happeneded in 19 7 1 which is nixons desire to hurt his opponents. His adversaries. By using the irs. One of the reason why we always have to be careful that our politicians dont politicize the irs is that it is a very dangerous instrument if used improperly. There is a brandnew episode of tricky dick airing right after this show. Top of the hour. Exploring how nixon won the presidency in part because of a promise to end the vietnam war. Heres a quick preview. We are protesting Richard Nixon<\/a>s stupid action of expanding the war in southeast asia. President nixon doesnt want peace. Youre not going to tell me that somebody escalates war that wants peace. Hes just lyinging to the American People<\/a>. You know, you see these bums, you know, building up the campuses. Listen, the boys on the College Campuses<\/a> today are the luckiest people in the world and here they are burning up the books. I mean, storming around about this issue. I mean, you name it. Get rid of the war, there will be another one. You cant have the president of the United States<\/a> alienating students, refer to students as bums. The statement, itself, really was an affront to students emotionally. Quickly, if you will, tim, we got about 30 seconds, but what impact did the student Antiwar Movement<\/a> have onyxen nixons presidency . It pushed him to reduce the number of troops as quickly as possible. Which put him in a strange position of trying to get the north vietnamese to negotiate. When the north vietnamese understood the longer they waited the fewer the number of boots on the ground there would be in vietnam. So theres no question that the dissidents, dissent movement, not just students but many adults, toor pushed america to leave the war faster which left nixon in a difficult situation. All right. Tim naftali, looking forward to tonights episode. Thank you. Be sure to tune in. A brandnew tricky dick airs next right here on cnn. That does it for me. Really appreciate you joining us this weekends. 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