Of themselves which leads to a bigger question as we watch the race for a muchneeded coronavirus vaccine. Can americans take the president at his word . If there is a vaccine before election day and the president says it is safe, will people trust it . Well, i sat down with the democratic nominee for Vice President , senator Kamala Harris, in an exclusive interview and asked her that question. Do you trust that, in the situation where were in now, that the Public Health experts and the scientists will get the last word on the efficacy of a vaccine . If past is prologue, they will not. Theyll be muzzled. Theyll be suppressed. They will be sidelined. Because hes looking at an election coming up in less than 60 days and hes grasping for whatever he can get to pretend that he has been a leader on this issue, when he has not. So, lets just say theres a vaccine that is approved and even distributed before the election. Would you get it . Well, i think thats going to be an issue for all of us. I will say that i would not trust donald trump, and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever hes talking about. I will not take his word for it. He wants us to for more on this, im joined by dr. Meagan ranee, an emergency physician at life span Brown University and also with me, cnns chief political analyst, Gloria Borger. Hello to you both. Dr. Ranee, let me start with you. I want to emphasize that you heard what senator harris told me about President Trump. She also underscored the fact that she does believe Public Health experts and the people who are behind the science of this. Given all of that, what do you make when you hear senator harris say what she said as part of an understandable Political Campaign but also as somebody who might be echoing what many other people are saying across the country as theyre looking towards the fda and all of the trump administrations parts to try to figure out how to get a vaccine that is safe. Yeah, unfortunately, President Trump has not created a track record for himself of being trustworthy or scientifically responsible around covid19, whether its around hydroxychloroquine or bleach or his continued statements against masks, he keeps saying things that are not backed up by the science and that harm Public Health. And i dont want this to be a political issue. Public health should never be political. It should be about protecting all americans but at this point, i cant trust President Trumps statements. Now, the fda, up until very recently, has been trustworthy. I hope that they can continue to be so, and that they dont release a vaccine without completion of that phase 3 trial. I mean, but can we separate what you just said about not trusting Donald Trumps statements, which is obviously what senator harris was saying, separate that from the medical experts, the people at the fda beyond what we have seen in the past week or so from the fda as the fda commissioner, as you were just alluding to so, traditionally, the fda is completely apolitical. It is all about the science. Its about doing the right studies. Its about making sure the data is there to protect americans. That is their job. Now, in the last week with that emergency use authorization of convalescent plasma, that was the first time that we had seen some hints of to politicization of the fda. My hope is that the scientists and the Public Health professionals there will continue to do whats right but those of us in the medical community are very closely watching and honestly were kind of disappointed that we have to be watching this closely because this should be a no brainer. This is not something that normally we would worry about. We are all grateful to every medical professional out there who is watching this closely because everybody, of course, agrees on the fact that we do need a vaccine that is trustworthy and safe. So, gloria, as ive been thinking about this, ive been thinking about the fact that when it comes to credibility, this is kind of backwards, when it comes to the vaccine. And what i mean by that is that, you know, people who are in support of donald trump traditionally or at least in recent years we have seen them subscribe to his disruption of everything in washington and, you know, hitting the norms and, you know, pushing the idea that you shouldnt trust the institutional washington and everything around it. But now, you have everything reversed in that you have the president saying, oh no, you got to trust this particular institution, and he is saying that not just to the people who are his supporters but to those who maybe, you know, intuitively want to trust the institutions of government but dont because hes the one in charge. Well, and i think thats the issue. Thats the key point. Hes the one in charge and the question is how much in charge is he, really, dana . So, you see in all our polling that about a third of the American Public trusts him on the way hes handled coronavirus. Thats not a lot. And theyve watched him over these last six months talk about, well, its going to disappear in two weeks, talking about hydroxychloroquine, talk about convalescent plasma before the jury is in, talk about the efficiency of that. And so they really are confused and dont know what to believe. On the other hand, i think its a little bit dangerous to feed into the sort of antivaxx sentiment that is out there, and you know, the question for Kamala Harris is, who are you going to trust . Youve got to trust the scientists and maybe the producers of the vaccine who are all said, look, were going to jump at once, were going to go together on this, or youll have more people saying, i dont want to get vaccinated, and we know that that can be a dangerous situation also, so i think the responsible thing to do is to say, well, lets let the science lead the way, and then everything should follow from that. Right, and she said, in answer to that, she basically said, i do trust the Public Health experts. Im just worried theyre going to get muzzled. She used that term a couple of times. Dpl gloria, just staying with you, anthony fauci, who is probably, hands down, the most trusted Public Health official on these issues, said something on cnn recently, in the last couple of days, about the fact that he trusts the process. I think we have the sound byte. Lets listen. I have faith in the system, that the fda will do what they promise and they promise that they will make decisions on a regulatory basis purely on the basis of the science and the evidence, and im counting on them to do that. So, i want reaction from both of you, starting with, from the point of view of politics and public trust, gloria. Well, i think we all know that tony fauci is no cheerleader for donald trump or anyone else. And so, i think you can look to him for, as close as youre going to get to the truth on any of this to say, look, theyre ready or theyre not ready, and nobody knows more about this than tony fauci. So, i think hes going to be a good barometer out there for the American Public. And dr. Ranney, i mean, is he because, you know, yes, he has become a controversial figure, but the people who dislike him, theyre disliking him because donald trump is effectively sending that signal, and people who support him are sending that signal so if he, at the end of the day, says, okay, we have a vaccine, you can trust it, im going to take it, is that case closed as far as youre concerned from the Public Health and medical point of view . Yeah, so, i would trust dr. Fauci to not say that the vaccine is trustworthy if it isnt. He and dr. Collins, the head of the nih, the folks at the fda, theyll have access to this data that maybe the rest of us cant see at the time that its approved. The best possible scenario, though, is that before the vaccine is approved, that that data, the trial data, gets released to the public, and either a preprint or in a peer review journal that all of us as medical and Public Health professionals have the chance to look at it and assess it. I will trust dr. Fauci. He wont say its trustworthy if its not. Okay, well, thats a lot we can agree on. Thank you both for your insights. Gloria, we have you coming back in a little bit with some really fascinating exclusive reporting. You want to stick around for that. And on state of the union tomorrow morning, my exclusive interview with democratic Vice President ial nominee, senator Kamala Harris. We talk not just about covid19 and a vaccine but the criminal justice system, the nations reckoning on race, russian interference and much more. So, join me on institustate of union tomorrow morning at 9 00 a. M. Eastern. 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Jeremy diamond is at the white house for us, and jeremy, you and our colleagues here at cnn have some new reporting as well. Fill us in. Reporter thats right, dana. A source familiar with the president s remarks has told cnn that the president has repeatedly questioned why americans who served in the vietnam war did so, suggesting that they were, you know, didnt know how to exploit the system to avoid being drafted in the vietnam war, perhaps similarly to the way that the president did. The president , of course, received several educational draft deferments and then ultimately received a medical draft deferment as well after he got a doctors note claiming that he had bone spurs to avoid serving in vietnam. This source also said that the president has made comments about the veterans of the iraq and afghanistan wars, questioning what did they get out of it . And this points to something in this atlantic story which is this transactional nature of the president and the president s apparent lack of understanding of people who make nontransactional choices like deciding to put on the uniform and perhaps sacrifice, make the ultimate sacrifice for this country. Of course, the most damning part of this atlantic story, dana, is this the comments that the president made about american soldiers who died in world war i. During this trip to france, when the president was supposed to visit two cemeteries, ultimately only visited one. Heres the comment as reported in the atlantic. The atlantic says, in a conversation with senior Staff Members on the morning of the scheduled visit, trump said, why should i go to that cemetery . Its filled with losers. In a separate conversation on the same trip, trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at belleau woods as suckers for getting killed. The president and the white house have vehemently denied this story. Several of them have said on the record, including john bolton who was on that trip and is no fan of the president s, have said they did not hear the president make these comments. Whats notable here, dana, is that one person who is at the center of this trip and also of remarks that the president reportedly made at the grave of former white house chief of staff john kellys son, is john kelly, who has not spoken about this at all. The president was asked about the fact that john kelly has not commented on this story. Heres what he said. I know john kelly. He was with me. Didnt do a good job, had no temperament and ultimately he was petered out. He got he was exhausted. This man was totally exhausted. He wasnt even able to function in the last number of months. He was not able to function. He was sort of a tough guy. By the time he got eaten up in this world, its a different world than he was used to, but i dont know that it was him. I havent seen that. I mean, i see anonymous but it could have been a guy like a john kelly. Reporter dana, remarkable, of course, that, you know, the president here is talking about a former four star marine corps general, former command oer of u. S. Southern command and we should note that general kelly has not been all too critical of the president. Hes been critical on some of the administrations policies. He also agreed with former secretary of defense jim mattiss criticism of how the president dispersed those protesters at Lafayette Park but otherwise we have not heard too much from general kelly, although we do know that some of general kellys colleagues and friends have suggested to him and have urged him to come out publicly with his feelings about the president. Jeremy, thank you so much for that reporting. I appreciate it. 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Groups are squaring off and already clashing today on one side demanding justice for a woman shot and killed by police back in march in that city. Cnns Jason Carroll is live in louisville right now. Not far from Churchill Downs and jason, i see you there marching with the protesters. Its been pretty tense there. Describe the scene at this hour. Reporter well, right now, what we have is nearly a thousand demonstrators who are marching their way from a park toward Churchill Downs. Once there, they say they plan to hold a rally. Just as the just as the race is getting under way. Along the way, they plan on conducting acts of civil disobedience, but they say, dan