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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin June 11, 2015

With police. Apparently being open about her role in this and why she may have been an accomplice to the killers. A source telling us richard matt the killer known as hacksaw, made her feel quote, special. Lets go to Miguel Marquez who was just talking to that state police spokeswoman, learning a little bit more miguel as far as the cabins in this wooded area there in upstate new york. Reporter look it is an all, an alleffort. Allout effort here by the state police and many agencies in this area. Cadyville is the closest place to this. Theres rumors run ripe through in area very quickly. Rumors of gunshots being heard. Police now say there is nothing to that. It has nothing to do with this investigation. This is a very, very rural part of upstate new york. They say the area they are searching, excuse me is about five square miles, about three miles from Clinton Correctional Facility where they escaped from. We were we are right here at this intersection that they have blocked off. Another four miles from there. So its a very large area that they are blocking off. The individuals they are looking through every possible place that they can. In the woods, there were a lot of lakes around here, and a lot of summer homes that may be empty at the moment. They have special teams who are going home to home. They have helicopters up. They are flying those helicopters at night using fleer or infrared so they can try to pick them up the bodies up at night. Which is always a good possibility, but i, i want to keep folks in mind that many of these searches it is often the case that the people who escape do stay very close to where they escaped from and only make plans to move on later. We saw that with dorner in california eric frein in pennsylvania. It would not be unreasonable to think that they are this close still to that correctional facility. Still, about 500 people out there looking for these individuals. And regardless of the fact that they havent found them yet, they say that they have about 600 leads that have come in so far. And that they will find them. Brooke. I keep thinking of the Christopher Dorner manhunt, there was in big bear in a cabin in that wooded area. You know mindful of that as we move forward, thank you so much. Lets broaden out this discussion to tim williams. Former chief inspector, new york and new Jersey Regional Fugitive Task force and former director for interpoll operations. And cnn sberper and forensic scientist. Tim, let me begin with you here. When youre hearing about this wooded area miguel was saying five square miles, three miles from this correctional facility presumably the getaway plan plan a, and maybe even plan b, you know out the window. What are the chances . Is there a window for these investigators in finding these two . Well i dont think theres necessarily just a window. I think theyre doing a great job coming together as a team which is what you hope happens in these kind of circumstances where agencies Work Together. They drop all the politics and they Work Together on these type of cases. Thats what the key is that the task force we ran in new york they are up there, they are supporting the local state police other federal agency. Thats the way its supposed to happen up there. Uhhuh. Larry, i know as far as forensics goes we heard, according to sources, that food wrappers have been found in the woods, maybe a footprint. What are investigators able to glean from those nuggets . Well first of all, i think thats very important because were assuming this is their bedding site based upon a dog that, you know picked up their scent. Reacted. Docks are phenomenal because a large part is devoted to old fashion work sense of smell. They can do miracles with just single molecules, but essentially, we dont know for sure if this dog acted correctly. Lets assume it did, but by looking at the candy wrappers, theres touch dna that we can do or if they ate something and left it there, saliva has a lot of cells. And you can do a dna analysis very rapidly, and confirm that it is indeed these two individuals. Now, once youve done that then the issue is where are they . And as we heard, helicopters, using infrared equipment, can spot people sometimes, but this terrain is extremely rugged in upstate. I think they need to do a search by hand people basically sidebyside walking through an area thats been basically cordoned off in these arcs. They set a perimeter and they have circles, and they go through each arc step by step by step to make sure they havent missed anything. I mean tim, were hearing these two are definitely not outdoorsmen. We know that one of them apparently was on medication for some kind of back pain. We are what six days out from the two of these criminals escaping and we also know that investigators are now searching you know, cabin by cabin by cabin, far from any kind of restaurant or food source. There are some creeks in the area. Where might they be . Well i think youre going to see a lot, things a lot different than some of the survivalist individuals that have been captured most recently. These individuals have been inside and have been in custody for many years. Theyre not outdoors men and havent been out, they are going to have to be i think you have some trained, really welltrained Law Enforcement personnel out there that have worked in that wooded area and wooded areas all over the country, and they will theyll do their best. Dogs technology forensics, like that was mentioned, there was going to be a key to help finding these individuals also. Uhhuh. Larry, how mindful are Law Enforcement in terms of not giving up too much information . I mean there is always again, were thinking of these two in the woods. I dont know how theyd have any kind of way of watching the news but still. If theyre watching the news hopefully its cnn, but if they are listening thanks larry. Then they know what were talking about and they will take a base of action. I think the real issue, the dangerous issue is they could break into a home and find a gun or a kitchen knife. And it is a dangerous thing for people to actually confront these two characters because they have very little to lose. Tim, what is worst Case Scenario . I think thats he hit it on the head worst Case Scenario is these individuals are desperate, and theyre going to get more desperate as time goes on. And thats when theyre going to have to come out and act and hopefully not do anything more violent that will, you know set a stage for them to commit more heinous crimes than theyve already committed. Thats the worry i think of all Law Enforcement, community right now is that these individuals are going to get desperate. Thats why people have to be alert. Your previous individual mentioned the community, they have to see things strange, see these individuals, they need to call the police right away and give assistance. The worry for everybody is these individuals get desperate. Theyve killed before and they will again if they had to. Well, the amw was making the point, its the little things, the little mistakes that members of the Community Need to be astute. A window thats shattered that you dont think should be shattered. Call police. His whole point was, if you see something that doesnt look right, let authorities know. Bottom line larry, i mean bottom line theyre going to get caught. I dont see them staying out that long. Theres a tremendous manhunt under way. Yeah. With, you know helicopters and small aircraft. Theyre going down, its just a matter of tonight, tomorrow or another day. But they cant survive very long out there. Larry, thank you so much. Tim williams i appreciate you as well. Thank you. Matter of time. Coming up next we keep talking about this woman who worked that the prison for seven years. Shes been questioned in connection with this escape. What she says about the killers. And also investigators who train bloodhounds will join us live to explain how these dogs right now, in the woods, are working to track down these two criminals. Stay here. The promise of the cloud is that every organization has unlimited access to information, no matter where they are. The microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly deliver critical information to people, whenever they need it. Here at accuweather we get up to 10 billion Data Requests every day. The cloud allows us to scale up so we can handle that volume. We can help keep people safe and to us that feels really good. 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Thorough search in one specific area in the woods here happening now. The two killers from upstate new york are on the run after the bloodhound picked up a possible scent, food wrappers site has been discovered as well. Outside of the search area the focus is on this woman, this is Joyce Mitchell. She worked at the prison for the past seven years. According to a source talking to cnn, familiar with the investigation, she told investigators one of the escaped prisoners made her feel quote, unquote, special. Debora and dr. Jay are here. Yes. I notice dr. Buzz welcome to you and deb, welcome back. Lets begin with this woman. What are your sources tell you about her . Shes absolutely cooperating. What we know is there are a couple of things that authorities have determined definitively. The first is she had a cell phone that was used multiple times to call People Associates friends, known to richard matt. Its unclear whether in fact shes the one who placed the calls on their behalf or whether these two men accessed her phone and made them call made the calls themselves. Second thing we know is that she has told authorities that she was the one whos supposed to be waiting there on the other side of that manhole cover when the two convicts got out of prison and drive them to safety. They could have been miles, and miles, and miles away now it appears theyre close to the prison itself. Dr. Buzz on this woman, i was talking to a former retired u. S. Marshal who was saying earlier, women, some women love outlaws. And there is that lure especially when youre working for i dont know how many years she may have had a relationship with this one man. There is a lure. There is and also women who feel they can change the mans personality and their temperament, and theyre going into prison to help. I mean these are men who need protection from their own impulses and Society Needs protection from them. Heres a woman thats volunteering and go in there and work with individuals with this sadly, unrealistic view that you can change someones personality and make them into a man that is presentable and wants to work with society, not punch holes in it. In addition to that i think its hard for many people to realize, when youre a woman alone, or a man alone, who knows, youre in there with individual attention coming at you from this person. And this person is telling you, you are my everything my god. Apparently charismatic. According to people who know him. A lot of cunning, slack, manipulation. Master manipulator. How it can get in your brain, how can i make you my slave . This is the one that chopped up his boss correct . The exact one. And one of the people that testified against him was his girlfriend. He was able to manipulate her as well. So an interestingly, in that first case he threatened his accomplice that he would kill him absolutely would kill him outright if he every stepped forward to tell. Ultimately he cracked and didnt tell. Whether Joyce Mitchell knew of that past you have to wonder whether in fact she began to question okay im the only one that knows these guys are breaking out. And if im waiting there, what are my chances. Saved her own life. Absolutely. She may have saved her own life by not showing up in the getaway car. The exact same thing. Shes smart. What about, we heard from a News Conference yesterday when the governor was speaking outside the correctional facility yes, were talking to inmates. And in terms of prison culture, you hear a lot about snitching, whats the likelihood a that anyone on the inside would have known about the plan you hear him saying you guys must have been heavy sleepers to not have heard the saw. Whats the likelihood they are going to talk . I think its very unlikely. These guys are going to come back chances are if theyre caught theyre going to come back theyre going to be really wellthought of inside the prison or theyll move them around. But inmate is fearful of what those consequences will be. Every inmate wants to get out. And theyre fearful about what can happen to them. Id be thinking, if i cooperated maybe i get out earlier. It depends on where theyre sleeping. And it depends on if they want to go into solitary confinement for the rest of the time there. Again, youre talking about survival and i can remember bringing guys to talk to me when i was in prison as a psychologist and you get very tightlipped. Whats going to happen to me ultimately . Watching my back. Also when you think about in the psychology they have very Close Council with one another. Weve seen that happen in recent terrorism cases where the two that are collaborating are brothers. They speak to no one outside their immediate circle because the moment one person hears or knows, either they want in or theyve got the power to control the information. So the fact that these two men spent so much time together and were so close, it may have been simply to protect the nature of the plot itself. So please they had it relatively easy inside that maximum security prison when they go back whether its to clinton correctional or singh singh singh or anywhere else, itll be different. Thank you, i appreciate it. Thank you. Just ahead, the search teams as weve been reporting, combing upstate new york to find these two killers prp coming up well talk to investigators who actually train these bloodhounds, explain that process, how reliable the scent is. Thats coming up. Also a new development in the u. S. Plan to send in more troops to train iraqi forces in the fight against isis. What one official says about where they might be opening additional sites in iraq. 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Right now the white house is calling it all hypothetical but the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff is telling reporters they are looking at the possibility of sending additional troops repositioning troops to perhaps several locations in iraq. Pentagon officials telling us maybe three or four locations, clearly one may be on the road to mosul, iraqs second largest city in Northern Iraq key area that iraqi forces want to liberate. Why we sending more troops to iraq. We just talked about that. Ba

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