Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin 201805

CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin May 18, 2018

Well. This has been going on too long in our country. Too many years, too many decades now. We grieve for the terrible loss of life and send our support and love to everyone affected by this absolutely horrific attack. To the students, families, teachers at santa fe, hi. My administration is determined to do everything we can to secure our schools and keep weapons out of the hands to those who pose a threat to themselves and to others. Cnn crime and justice reporter Shimon Prokupecz joins us. Ta reporter both local, state and federal officials on scene. The latest that weve learned is that explosive devices have been recovered from the school and from areas around the school, adjacent to the school. It is active. Investigators right now gathering evidence and also trying to make sure that every individual that is in and around this community is safe, asking people that if they sue suspicious packages for them to call the police because, again, they have found pipe bombs and also Pressure Cooker bombs in some of these areas. Theyre not giving all of the specifics for strategic and safety reasons, but they are asking people to be on alert. As you mentioned, ten people have died, nine of them students. We also learned that two Law Enforcement officials were injured. There are at least 12 individuals injured total with multiple gunshot wounds. Of course this is a time thats supposed to be of celebration. Its the end of the school year. Students and teachers and parents are usually preparing for graduation and instead some of these families are now preparing for funerals, erika. Sobering to say the least. Rosa, thank you. Shimon, i understand you have some new reporting for us as well. Thats right. This just coming into us here. The second person as weve been reporting who has been detained and now in police custody, Law Enforcement sources are telling cnn is believed to be an accomplice of the shooter. Our sources are saying they dont believe this individual was involved in the shooting, but he is somehow associated with what happened here and police have taken him into custody and as weve been reporting, since this happened, the second person who were told is 18 years old was detained. Were now told he is believed to be an accomplice and may have been involved in what happened here and police are treating him as such and now he is in police custody, erika. Shimon with the latest for us there. Thank you both. We also have a number of folks with us obviously to help us work through whats happening, both on the ground there, how the investigation is unrolling, including former fbi agent josh campbell. Josh, bringing you back in here, as we look at what were learning, the fact is were just learning the second person in custody, 18 years old, believed to be a possible accomplice to the suspect but not the shooter. What will provide a lot of information obviously are these two people who are in custody. Thats right. And if you back up about an hour ago when we were hearing from the Sheriffs Department that there was one person in custody and another person who they described was detained, there were questions of what was the association. Now it appears as though they have taken this person into custody so there will be a lot of questions that investigators will have for this person as far as what knowledge he had of the events of today, you know, any of the prior planning. Again, just so many questions there. This is also somewhat unusual in that we now have two people who are alive who can presumably tell investigators exactly what happened, what was going through their mind. As we compare this incident where youve had deadly incidents involving fierrearms, this is a different story. You talk about an individual who has gone through the motions of actually creating devices, it shows to me as a former investigator its not someone who woke up one day with a grievance and said im going to act on this but went through meticulous planning. Whether or not he was a sophisticated device maker has yot yet to be seen. We havent seen any of those devices actually detonate. Reporters have been telling us this trailer, there are some other possible components there theyll be looking at shows that level of sophistication. A lot of questions for these individuals. A lot of questions. Also joining us cnn Law Enforcement analyst along with charles ramsey. Charles, as we look at this, we know how much im sorry, we may not have charles with us. Jonathan, im going to throw this one to you. As we look at were hearing from josh the talk about the planning. So you have these devices versus just deciding one day to pick up a firearm. The fact that those devices didnt detonate may not mean that there was some sort of malfunction, it may mean simply that perhaps this person was not at that point in their planning. Listen, the fact that we have explosives to begin with introduced into this incident is disconcerting. We dont know the condition of the explosive devices at the time that Law Enforcement got to them. So they could have been rendered safe by explosives teams, the eod teams that went to look for these. And police may have taken those devices for evidentiary value. Again, we dont know and weve yet to ascertain the conditions of those explosives. When we talk about the training and we talk so much about the training that multiple branches are responding at this point but that Law Enforcement and other agencies undergo and it changes, right, with every shooting, it changes with every terror incident that we have to deal with. Absolutely. This is the challenge for Law Enforcement. Every incident, regardless of where it happens in the suns dynamic. A few hours ago we were thinking this could have been a lone wolf attack against a school, another School Shooting. Someone goes in and has a problem. Then we find out theres two people. Then we find out there are explosives. Now not only explosives at the school, the crime scene has expanded. Think about just the evolution today in just the last few hours, the challenge of Law Enforcement is being able to shift and adjust to that changing dynamic of their investigation. There is so much there. Were getting some of the audio just coming into us. This is all happening in realtime. Heres some of the Police Scanner audio were just receiving. Take a listen. Were making entry. More shots fired. Additional shots fired. Still have several more shots fired. Actively shooting. Hes in the arts room. We have shots fired right now, guys. As soon as we began listening to this audio, jonathan, one of the things you said to me is they are so calm. And they are. I command the Law Enforcement officers again. Dynamic situation. Theyre responding. They dont know if its one shooter, multiple shooters. They know the terrain, they know the school. They dont know where they are inside. The team leader when they said theyre making the entry into the school, his calm demeanor, thats what you want Law Enforcement to do. They need to be focused on addressing, hunting and finding and putting that threat down, not getting caught up into, you know, other areas. They need to remain focused and calm. Again, the First Responders in an active shooter situation, their sole responsibility is to stop that threat. You know, thats very difficult for Law Enforcement because as that entry team went in, they probably saw multiple victims, probably saw people bleeding out, very, very hard to control your emotions. The calmness of that Police Department being able to ascertain where the attacker was, in the art room. They called out the shootings. Very systematic, very methodi l methodical. I commend the Police Department. Witnesses are really providing a picture for us. Heres more about what they described about the chaos in those moms in the school. He was in the classroom where the shooter was. According to him there were three students down in the classroom and when they were coming out, there were two more students down right outside the back door of the school. Did he say anything like what type of injuries . No. Just a few minutes ago i was helping a lady that was right here on the corner and she was shot in the back of the leg, the calf. Its tragic. Its tragic. Im done. Thank yall. We heard the alarms, everybody just, you know, started leaving, following the same procedure as we did because nobody thought it would be this. Nobody thought it was a shooting. Everybody just thought it was a normal procedure, practice fire drill. And next thing you know we just hear three gunshot, a lot of explosions and all the teachers are telling us to run, run, go run and me and my friend ryan calvert ran where we could get shelter and thats when i called my mom. We were told to go to one of the buildings for cover. And then afterwards cop cars started pulling in and everything and so i thought Something Else was off. So i heard there was actual gunfire and there was three people injured at the time being. And that everybody was panicking, everybody was crying and then i started seeing two or three students jumping over the fence, trying to get further away from all the fire. Then my mom and dad started blowing up my phone like, hey, dont go following into the crowd because who knows were instant targets because were in a crowd. They told me to just kind of get away from there. Thats what these conversations have become, trying to tell your kids to stay safe as they call you. We think about and we have seen the aerial footage from so many of these incidents. This is now the 22nd School Shooting this year, three in the past week. As people are exiting the building and they are trying to we have officers going in so calmly trying to deal with this active shooter situation, there is also the concern of what could be happening outside of the school and making sure that situation, josh, is controlled as well. Thats right. Its a multifacetted effort here and Law Enforcement officers are not only going to ensure theyre able to go to the sound of gun fire and mitigate threat but also looking for other threats. The students here who were filed out, very orderly, every Single Person there is an intelligence source, a potential piece of information that could then help investigators determine what it is that was happening, what they saw, did they know the shooter, the accomplice. What is it that they can provide investigators. And whats also important is if you put yourself in the mindset of those actually responding, we listened to the officer audio there as theyre relaying information back to each other, the communication is key because the first thing theyre trying to determine is where is the threat. As theyre going into a location, theyre going to hear it realtime from witnesses that theyre passing, the person is over here, hes over there. Thats information that they need and theyre going to communicate that to each other so others know exactly what it is that theyre dealing with and where to go. Just as important as that, once the person is taken into custody, the moment that the threat is mitigated, that piece of information is critical because every officer thats in the vicinity can ultimately and quickly flip from a response to mitigate a threat to a response to save lives. They may be stepping over potential victims as they try to stop that threat, once the word goes out they have the shooter, they can tend to the victims. Not on has the crime scene expanded, there are now multiple scenes. We have a trailer being searched, the school, the offcampus explosives. How does all of this get coordinated at this point, josh . Were seeing the point at the end of the spear. We see the assets that show up and try to mitigate that threat. What were not seeing but will see in short order the officers fanning out at multiple locations who may give additional information, to determine what the motive was, were there associates. Law enforcement will work under a unified demand, whether its a domestic terrorist or someone who a mental issue or whatever it may be, the officers are going to work under the unified command. You have not only the Harris County Sheriffs Office but assets from fbi and atf, the state troopers there, theyll be key. This isnt just one specific location at a school but there will be other places, possibly other jurisdictions that will require a Law Enforcement response in order to, again, gather information and gather these clues in order to help tell the story of what happened. Jonathan, as were looking at all that, not just in terps ms the coordination, but theres also managing the community here. We have a community understandably on edge. This is town of about 13,000 people, some 1,400 students at that school. Thats also a lot to imagine, making people feel safe. Getting information out to the public in a clear, concise manner is key to communication. We now have devices in the community. W we dont know where potentially they might be. Identify vulnerable areas. Again, keeping the flow of information through Public Information officers, the unified command that josh was talking about before will come up with a cohesive message from all of the entities that are involved to ensure that everyone is receiving timely and Accurate Information as to the situation. Accurate is so important there as well. Shimon, you have some new information coming into you. As weve been saying, this is moving pretty quickly. Were now being told that the shooter here was injured and that authorities are talking to him, theyre talking to him and that hes been injured essentially. Thats all we know. We also know that the gunman, the shooter here did not come up in a background check for people who may have purchased guns. It looks like authorities there have searched his name in the system and his name did not come up, indicating that he had purchased any weapons. So really when you think about this, erika, this investigation is moving rather quickly. N we now now that authorities, the atf, have found what they believe is the bomb factory where these i. E. D. S and Pressure Cookers were made. We have a suspect who is talking and cooperating with investigators. They now have a second person who they believe is an accomplice in custody. We dont know if he is talking with investigators. But as you can see, based on all this, what we now see is that authorities are moving pretty quickly in this case, finding key pieces of evidence, like that trailer. They have a shooter who by all intents and purposes is cooperating, is talking to them. So theyre learning a lot. It seems just in the last few hours they have made a lot of progre progress in this investigation. It is remarkable how much quickly the information is coming in. Were getting some of that information from shimons reporting. The main question is going to be motive. Why did this person do this . I would imagine theyre also going to be talking to the suspect about where the information came from, not only where did you get firearms but where did you get this information . Theyre able to interview the person. He is alive, they can interview him and if he cooperates, that puts them that much ahead of the game. In a situation where a shooter takes his own life and you dont have that information. Its key to go back and figure out where did the person get the weapons. That not only helps this particular investigation but it will help officers as they try to create this profile that will help prevent other attacks in the future. What was the mechanism to get the weaponry used today to kill people. Unfortunately on the i. E. D. Side as we look at terrorist attacks and other incidents around the world, a lot of this information isnt sophisticated that you have to be a skilled bombmaker to put something together. Unfortunately a lot of this garbage is on the internet and they can put together ingredients and maim and take lives. What was the level. Sophistication and was there anyone that assisted. We talked earlier about someone who wakes up and decide to act on a grievance. Thats very difficult to stop. But when you have someone who has gone through this meticulous planning and plotting, thats all part of building out this picture. Was there someone who maybe saw something or should have seen something that can provide that information. All Law Enforcement wants to know right now is what was the motive. Why did this person do what he did in order to not only help solve this particular case but ensure there are no additional threats. Obviously the questions we have and information that may be coming out. 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