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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin August 8, 2018 18:00:00

Is alleged in the indictment that he illegally relaid the results of that drug test so that his son could trade on that information. So his son, cameron collins, has also been indicted along with the father of his fiance. The two men made more calls and in the end prosecutors allege theed inners saved themselves more than 700,000 from this tip received by the congressman. And what happened to investigators not in the know, the indictment says when the Company Announced its Clinical Trial was a bust, the stocks went from 46 cents a share to a more 4 cents. A mere 92 . Lets talk this over with our The latest news from around the world with host Brooke Baldwin. Stock transactions himself, hes liable as a tipper, someone passed Insider Information down the line. I dont see anywhere for him to cooperate. Theres not a lot of good news for the representative. We see the video of him. Hes at the white house for a picnic. Gets this phone call from this Pharmaceutical Company saying, the drug is a bust. And so he picks up his phone and calms his son seven times. Cell phone records. And tips him off to sell. He had to have known better. Yeah. I mean, he seems it seems clear that he knew better. One of the elements in proving an Insider Trading case is the criminal intent that he willfully and knowingly committed this crime. And not only should he have known better based on his the fact that he is a member of congress, but we can see that almost a year later, when he was asked by the fbi if he had told his son cameron about this bad specifically ran on and promised his supporters that he would get to washington and change the way that things are done. When youre talking about Insider Trading and this idea that a member of congress got this kind of proprietary information and then used it so that his family could lose less money, that is the opposite of draining the swamp. And, you know, congressman collins, any congressional reporter will tell you hes the guy you look for when members are coming out of meetings to try to get that, quote, defending President Trump on anything. Hes been that guy from day one. He was the first member of congress to support President Trump in his candidacy. So the fact that this person who is so closely in line with the president now being in this kind of trouble, thats not good for the president either. Okay. Stand by, everyone. Ive got more to discuss in just a second. Just in to cnn, counteroffer in the works. President trumps lawyer Rudy Giuliani says they are outlining new terms for a face to face interview between the president and the Special Counsel robert mueller. What exactly did Rudy Giuliani mean this should be over by September 1st . Also the impact of the escalating trade war with china being felt in trump country. One South Carolina company now saying it will be forced to lay off almost all of its workers because of this new tariff policy. And we are keeping a close eye on manhattans Federal Court where moments from now, as weve just been discussing, Sitting Congressman Chris Collins is set to be arraigned on Insider Trading charges. We will take you there live. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. At ally, we offer lowcost trades and highyield savings. But if thats not enough, we offer innovative investing tools to prepare you for the future. Looks like you hooked it. And if thats not enough, well help your kid prepare for the future. Dont hook it kid. And if thats still not enough, i was just finishing a ride. I felt this awful pain in my chest. I had a Pe Blood Clot in my lung. I was scared. I had a dvt blood clot. Having one really puts you in danger of having another. My doctor and i chose xarelto®. Xarelto®. To help keep me protected. Xarelto® is a latestgeneration Blood Thinner thats. 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Talk to your doctor about xarelto®. Major multiple headlines breaking this hour with all these ties to the president. Moments from now, a trump ally and sitting republican congressman will be arraigned for alleged Insider Trading as a former Trump Campaign operative finishes testifying against the former Trump Campaign chairman now on trial. All of this as Major Development breaks in the case of the president s own legal troubles. His attorney, Rudy Giuliani says they submitted a counteroffer to the special Counsel Robert Mueller regarding an interview with trump. So giuliani told dana bash here at cnn that the team is open to Obstruction Of Justice questions but he says absolutely no, his words, Perjury Traps. He went on to tell dana, quote, for example, what did you say about flynn . Why did you fire comey . Giuliani says they already know our answer, so lets start there. Joe, i want to start with you. So lets analyze these questions. So if giuliani says these are the sorts of questions that are the nogo because he says mueller knows the answer, what did you say about flynn . Why did you fire comey . Explain to me why you think they would be falling into these Perjury Traps with these. Theyre fraught with danger, no doubt about it. The best way mueller can prove an Obstruction Case is with the president s own words. Thats why its so dangerous for the president to walk into an interview. Im convinced its not going to happen. A lot of this is theater. I think the president likes keeping this issue alive, like he likes keeping alive the question of whether or not he will or wont fire mueller. At the end of the day, its not going to happen. He will not have any kind of parameters that mueller will agree to in any kind of mutual arrangement. If someone is telling the truth, then what is the trap . Silence among all of you. Im just asking. The best way to avoid a perjury trap is not to commit perjury. Thank you. I agree with joe. Mueller excuse me, giuliani is insisting on these absurd conditions that no prosecutor would agree to. I agree, i think its theater. I think ultimately theyre not going to come to an agreement. Mueller perspective, we can do this easy way, reasonable terms or subpoena which will kick off a long battle in the courts. Just to be clear, this wouldnt be technically speaking he would not be giving this interview under oath, so it wouldnt be a perjury trap. It would be false statements. The reason why these specific questions i think hes putting off limits is because we dont know the answer. Giuliani says you know the answer, but trump has given different answers to that very question of why he fired comey. To say you know is not true. And i think thats the problem. Of course there would be followups to questions that certainly wouldnt be yes or no answers that would get to trumps behavior or intent, yes. All right, so, jay sekulow, the president s other attorney, has a radio show. Did you know this . No. I found out this morning. He has a radio show and on said radio show, it was julianmy and sekulow saying we responded to mueller and saying the ball is in muellers court. Here they are. Its about time that it ends. I also think and i hope the Special Counsel is as sensitive to it as we are, we do not want to run into the november elections. So back up from that, this should be over with by September 1st. We have now given him an answer. Obviously he should take a few days to consider it. But we should get this resolved if theres going to be an interview, lets have it. If theres not going to be an interview, let him write his report. Honestly he has all the information that he needs. The interview will provide nothing in addition to what he already has. So he can write his report. Okay. Quick easy question to the group. Show of question, who thinks this will be over September 1st . Thats what i thought. To you, is this going on this radio show, coming on tv their way of saying premidterms, to the american people, were trying to cooperate with the mueller team. Weve given them offer back. Were trying to work with them. Look, i would say there Isnt Just Tension between the Trump Lawyers and mueller and his team. Theres also tension between the president and his own lawyers. And i think thats important to stress. You know, these negotiations have been going on for a number of months now. And i think that in part is because of the inherent tension between the president and what he thinks the strategy should be, which is that he had said this publicly, i should be interviewed and i would be fine if im interviewed. Versus the real concerns that his lawyers have made clear they have about trumps possible and possibility of perjurying himself if he gets into that seat. Keep in mind when you go in for this interview, there are no retakes. You cant have somebody sort of clarifying in the moment what the president is actually saying. Yeah. So the stakes obviously are very, very high. The treatment that this Trump Legal Team is giving bob mueller, its like our way or the highway. Yeah. Bless Robert Muellers patience, right . Hes shown throughout this. I think sekulows quote right there sort of tips off what the p. R. Strategy is. How so . Lets get this wrapped up by september 1. Im going to insist on ridiculous conditions that mueller will never agree to. That will stretch right up to and including the midterms. And then trump and his team will say, look, mueller is polite sizing the midterms and say we made an offer. He said no. Now were in court battling this out with the elections around the corner. I think that may be their p. R. Play. Do you think they want to drag this out and have this not happen before the midterms, get the midterms over with and then have it afterwards . Yeah. I think they may realize theres no way this is realistically going to to happen. On the bending, what does mueller do . How does he respond . Looking to both of you guys. Well, i dont think he can agree to condition that would limit the questions that he would ask the president , especially hes going to need to ask him, why did you fire james comey . So that cannot be off the table. What does mueller do . Play it out for me. So we dont know what the actual question was. Mueller has to ultimately subpoena the president to appear before the grand jury and this will play out if he does this similar to what happened with bill clinton and ken starr where once that subpoena is right in front of them, then maybe theyll really negotiate in good faith. When he agrees to show up and answer questions they can withdraw the subpoena. Do you agree that trump would be subpoenaed . Yeah, i think thats probably where this is going. You do . Theres a strong likelihood we havent tested this, whether this goes all the way and you can subpoena a sitting president , but you probably can. So its not going to end well. To jennifers point, theyre looking at the bill clinton and Ken Starr Model and playing this out just like that. Remember, im sure the president does not want to be in this situation, since he has to be, he looks at bill clinton, kind of turned out okay to him. Im going to the air waves. Im going to deploy rudy, im going to pitch our argument in the Public Domain and let the chips fall where they may and i have a pretty good chance of surviving this. Just big picture, just that theyre looking to the bill clinton model as donald trump given the 2016 election and who he was running against, were in bizarre world. I appreciate that conversation. Coming up next on cnn, the president declaring victory in ohio even though the special election there is still too close to call. 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The Republican Troy Balderson has a tiny, barely visible lead of less than 1 Percentage Point over democrat danny oconnor, just small enough margin that could trigger a recount. Then you go over to kansas, another red hot state, another nail biter. This could test the president s popularity. Trumps hand picked chris kobach holds a razor thin lead in the governors primary lead barely behind him the republican incumbent governor jeff collier. There could be legal challenges on this one before its all over. So i have with me radio host eric ericson there in atlanta. Nice to see you. Good to see you. When you look at ohio and again highlighting this district 35 years republican, you have this republican candidate up by this teeny tiny Percentage Point, even if balderson goes on to win, its a bit of a hallow victory for them. And so you tell me if what im about to say is total myth or real that this is just the latest signal that republicans will lose big in november. I dont know that they will lose big because they have some institutional things in place that help them, but if you go back to 2009 and 2010, the trend lines are the same. 2009 after barack obama got elected, you had a series of special elections and elsewhere that went to republicans, some of them really closely. So reality, not myth . Not myth at all. The end of 2009, democrats in 2009 lost the Virginia Legislature and then in 2010 there was a steady stream of republican pickups in places no one saw. Were seeing the same pattern in reverse this time which typically happens in these midterms. Here is the thing that republicans are starting to freak out about. A third of the seats republicans lost werent on the radar as possible losses until after labor day. In 2010, half of democratic seats the democrats lost werent on the radar until after labor day. Were seeing the trend lines in place. Were not yet to labor day. Were starting to see those trends. But freaking out, yes, trends if you look at trumps twitter today, it is a win, you know. You see him saying watch out for the red wave. All is swell. Well, listen, the democrats were saying that in 2012. Behind the scenes they know that. Both sides may do this. They may save the senate but the House Of Representatives looks more and more likely that republicans are going to lose. You saw karen handles seat in a special election, she should have won by a wider margin, but it was a very tight race because democratic mobilization. The same in ohio 12. Democrats are way more mobilized than republicans. This is a district the president won b

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