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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin February 22, 2019

Who came forward saying that they themselves had been abused by r. Kelly, both sexually and physically and other ways. They also talked about being minors, a few saying they were minors when r. Kelly engaged in Sexual Activity with them. As you know, engaging in Sexual Activity with a minor is considered statutory rape. So we should also mention that r. Kelly all these years, all the accusations that have come forward against him, he has denied each and every one of them. Hes been very clear, saying that he is innocent of any of the allegations and accusations, and in 2008 when he was charged with 14 counts of child pornography, he was acquitted in that case. That case involved a girl who was on a videotape, a girl who the jurors said they could not positively identify beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution said the girl was 13 or 14 years old. They said that it was also r. Kelly on the videotape showing involving several sex acts. What we know about this new videotape because we have viewed it is that there is a girl on the tape, there is a man who appears to be r. Kelly on the tape. And it is a much clearer, better version of the video. We have learned that she has said on the tape, herself, out of her own mouth, more than five times that she refers to her 14yearold genitalia. And he, in turn, clearly hears her because he then also a couple of times refers to the age of her genitalia being 14 years old. We do not know if that plays a role in the charges that have come forward. What we do know is that Attorney Michael Avenatti is in town, and he handed that tape over to the prosecution a week ago. And that he says that he has clients, as well, and we understand now from sources that at least one of his clients has spoken with the States Attorneys Office, as well. There are lots of moving parts here. We do not yet know exactly what hes been charged with. We know that an indictment has happened. That charges have been filed in court records. And that there is a warrant, a nobail warrant out for Robert Sylvester kellys arrest. Brooke . Wow. Sara sidner. Were going to take your shot the second we see kim fox, the cook county states attorney, with those details any moment now. Let me say this todays indictment comes just weeks, sara mentioned this, this devastating lifetime documentary called surviving r. Kelly. It is a series that spotlights several women including the singers exwife who allege that they suffered physical and emotional and sexual abuse at the hands of this r b star. Several of those women were asked what they would say to r. Kelly if he were watching them. Watching them speak their truth and tell their stories. And here are some of their responses. I just like, you know, know that you really hurt me. I was a little girl in like a bad mans world. I never really recovered from it. You need to see the effects of your behavior. You need to see how you have ruined lives. How you have damaged relationships. How you have torn up other peoples families. I would hope that he would want to be a better person and quit hurt iing. Quit quit hurting people, quit hurting these girls. Jamilla, former Senior Editor at ebony magazine. She was speaking in that surviving r. Kelly documentary. Joey jackson is a criminal defense attorney and analyst. We have adit back, as well. Jamilla, before we see this, you know, states attorney in cook county, you know, hearing the word of more than one county within the indictment arrest warrant, how are you feeling . Im just im overwhelmed. I think a lot of us that participated in this documentary series including the director believe that this moment could finally bring something resembling justice to r. Kellys victims and accusers. And when kim fax came out and said im looking for stories, you know, if theres something we need to know about this person, we will pursue it, take it seriously, talk to us, i think that was a sign that things could play out a bit differently at this time than they did after the 2008 trail. Im hoping that this is it. What is it . The moment in which those young ladies that are said to still be in his care whose parents cant reach them, that they go home. Theyre taken away from him. That robert is forced to be accountable for what he has allegedly done is on so many young girls and women over the years. That he will have to answer these things, and that he wont be able to pay or shine his way out of this. That there wont be any more world cut performances or being the grandmaster in chicagos bud bulliken backtoschool parade or getting awards. All these things happening after the first tape. That this is the moment in which our society at large and our system of Law Enforcement can no longer ignore who this person very likely is and who hes been to so many people. What are we about to hear from kim fox . I think were about to hear what this indictment is all about. What it means, what it represents, what are the charges, who they relate to, when it occurred. As a cautionary tale, an indictment is a mere accusation. An indictment lays out, you convene 16 people from the county, and you need nine. A minority to vote out the determination theyre determining is there reasonable cause to believe a crime was committed and that r. Kelly committed it. Having said that, its very significant because if it because it brings the process. Although the people are not crossexaminationed in any way, certainly the people there felt it compelling enough and generally indict to move the matter forward. Now brooke, i think well see the evidence challenged, and well see, you know, if mr. Avenatti brought a videotape and, of course, people have looked and seen the tape. The first time around, 2002, there was such a tape. Weve been here before. He was acquitted of the charges, of course. It involved allegedly him having sex with a minor. That person didnt testify at the trial. There was disputes as to whether r. Kelly was on the tape. This tape apparently theres a lot more clarity. Still, youre going to question where the tape came from, the authenticity, it was superimposed. Youre going to look and evaluate the testimony because the grand jury doesnt just look at a tape, they hear testimony. And you cant help as we all sit here, im sure anyone at home, to listen to all the women who had something to say just a few minutes ago. It has an effect. And the open question for me is during the course of the trial, how many judges, if there is a trial, theres a lot that could occur, how many of those women will the judge permit to testify as to his alleged prior bad behavior. People listening and sitting to that, you know im certain you find it compelling. And it goes to show your motive it goes to show your intent tissues goes to show your m. O. Who are you, and that matters when a jurys considering guilt or look thereof. As were hearing about this nobail arrest warrant, no bail, i presume, because they see him as a flight risk. Yes . Absolutely. A judge has to assess several factors. And one of the factors is, is the defendant a flight risk, does he pose a danger to himself or the community . And so for the underlying offense or whatever was charged in this indictment, is indicative of a possible child predator, right. A sexual predator. With the means and access that r. Kelly has, the court is afraid that he would be a possible flight risk. They want to ensure that he is going to be in court and is going to confront these charges, and also keep the the community at large safe from his actions because clearly victims have come forward, family members have come forward, and theres just been rumors for over 20 years about this man. So the court does not feel comfortable in letting this person loose while this case is pending. Reporter so all right, mark omeara, if you are r. Kellys attorneys and again, you know, throughout they have vehemently denied any of these accusations, what are you doing . Are calling, kelly and essentially saying calling r. Kelly and essentially saying, sir, you need to turn yourself . Whats happening . At this point he needs to make it as easy on himself as it can be. We know theres a significant indictment thats come out. I found it to be significant because it sounds as though there were four different victims in the indictment. We dont know if theres more than one victim or complaining witness in the tape. That suggests to me as joey mentioned that theres a lot of what we call similar fact evidence. That type of evidence, evidence of other women arguing that the same thing happened to them, is devastating evidence. Yeah, exactly. A jury may give you that benefit of the doubt, the presumption of innocence in a oneoff event, but when you have it happening time and time again, you dont need prior convictions, you just need prior similar acts, thats going to be devastating evidence. R. Kelly needs to come in. Hes going to be placed under arrest. The judge will consider though its a nobond warrant at this point, the judge will have a bond hearing to determine if hes and he will under the charges, take away his passport, large bond, security bond, we will see him out on bond somewhat soon to get ready for the defense. The defense is going to be fact intensetive. His response to it is going to be important. Its going to take a lot of time with him and his legal team to defend against the charges of the indictment. Everyone, stand by. Were waiting to see kick fox behind the podium kim fox behind the podium, the states attorney. She will have the details of the indictment, how many counts, how many women. Waiting for the breaking news out of chicago next. Hawaii . nice yeah im excited. Finally earned enough rewards points. So jealous. Yeah i cant wait to get that shaveice whats shaveice . Its like a hawaiian snowcone. Why not just say snowcone . I dont know, they call it shaveice. You fly to hawaii for this . I dont go there for the ice. You saved up your rewards points for ice . Thats a lot of ice. Go rewards® credit card from Navy Federal Credit union. Our members are the mission. Lets go from plans. To fullblown production. Lets go from being oncall. To being online. American express can help move your business forward with loans, vendor payments and buying power. 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And we got handed this from sara sidner who is in the room looking at the screen lets listen. Good afternoon. Earlier today robert kelly was indicted before a cook county grand jury on ten counts of aggravated criminal Sexual Abuse Involving four victims. The first victim, initials h. W. , was involved in incidents which occurred between may 26th, 1998, and may 25th, 1999. A grand jury returned an indictment on four counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the victim being under the age of 17, and robert kelly being more than five years older than the victim. The second victim, initials r. L. , was fiscal cliffed in an incident which was involved in an incident which occurred between september 26th, 1998, and september 25th, 2001. A grand jury returned an indictment on two counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the victims being under the age of 17, and robert kelly being more than five years older than that victim. The third victim, initials l. C. , was involved in an incident which occurred february 18th, 2003. A grand jury returned an indictment on one count of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the transmission of semen by robert kelly upon any part of the body of the victim for the purposes of sexual gratification during the course of an underlying felony of attempt criminal sexual assault. The fourth victim, initials j. P. , was involved in incidents which occurred between may 1st, 2009, and january 31st, 2010. The grand jury returned an indictment on three counts, three counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse based on the victim being under the age of 17 and robert kelly being more than five years older than the victim. Aggravated criminal sexual abuse is a classtwo felony with the sentencing range of three to seven years per count. It is also probationable. We anticipate that mr. Kelly will appear in bond Court Tomorrow afternoon. Thank you. All right. There you have it. We were wondering how many counts ten. Ten counts, four victims, four women ranging from the years i jotted down between essentially 1998 and as recent as 2010. Jamilla, joey, guys, let me know when saras up. I think its significant inasmuch as, look, a critical question is the statute of limitations. And of course the statute of limitations for a minor is 20 years after you reach the age of 18. And so if youre in that applicable period, it can go forward. Seems as though from the charges she listed off that theyre in the applicable period, number one. Two, theres four victims. Thats compelling. Think about a trial when you have one witness testify as to things that are significant and what is significant having sex with a minor. Then you have another witness testify, and there are multiple counts as to east. Theyll be describing different circumstances, different scenarios, et cetera, and then you have the third witness testify. And then you have another. So i think, you know, again, havent evaluated evidence. She state her piece. Im not surprised she didnt take questions. Prosecutors get into trouble when they start taking questions. She laid out what the accusations are. But the accusations are significant. And so whats happening with r. Kelly . Where is r. Kelly . Whats next for him . She mentioned a bond hearing tomorrow. At some point generally what happens is when theres an arrest warrant, usually Law Enforcement gives you the opportunity with counsel to surrender yourself. When you surrender yourself, youll go to the bond hearing. At that hearing, the judge will make the determination as to whether or not you get bail. Remember, the purpose of bail, brooke, is to determine whether or not you come on this court. Its not punitive it sets an amount that gives you incentive to come back. At that hearing, his lawyers will argue hes a good risk to return. People who know r. Kelly is, im sure hell have to surrender a passport. There will be other conditions. The bail may be substantial, but certainly its improbable that hell be granted bail tomorrow. These alleged incidents have been going on for decades. And i asked you this i want you to make the point again. I asked you why has this allegedly been going on so long. And its taken this long to indict the man. And you said what . You know, i stand firmly in the belief that were only now hearing this because these were black girls. That he was not tried or successfully prosecuted in the past because these were young, black girls. These were not black girls typically of means, these werent celebrities with the exception of allaliyahaliyah. These were regular, working class girls like places like the south side of chicago, from the south. Girls that are believed to be adults from the point that they grow breasts, you know, or can walk the streets unaccompanied at 11 or 12. Girls that are thought to be more responsible for what happens to them in the care of an adult than the adult themselves. You know, that people who believe that r. Kelly is guilty have said bylut what about tho girls . At 14, i knew better, or at 16, what are you doing in the company of a grown man . Blaming the victim blaming the victim over and over again. I think that this particular demographic of victims has been blamed so often that people dont see them as victims. They see them as coconspirators at best, and the actual villains at worst. Until that buzzfeed piece, until the surviving r. Kelly, until she, you know, the states attorney came out and said, please, come forward if you are a witness or if you, you know, are a survivor, come forward and please share your story. Therefore, that brings us to today. Sara sidner is in the room. There you have it. Ten counts, four victims. Reporter thats right. Ten counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse. What was interesting to listen to there is that she gave the initials of the alleged victims names, and she also mentioned something else. She said that they are expecting to see r. Kelly, Robert Sylvester kelly, in the bond hearing, which means there should be or there is likely conversations going back and forth between him or him and his attorney and somebody from the States Attorneys Officers as they are trying to figure out whether or not he will turn himself in or whether or not he will be arrested. I want to read a little bit of what we have gotten from the States Attorneys Office here. Just to be able to digest all that we have learned. If you dont mind. So she talked about the first victim, she gave the initials of the first victim. And whats interesting here are the dates. So this she says occurred between 1998 and 1999, and that was a year that she has listed there, may 98 to may 99. She talked about a sexual abuse victim under the age of 17 and that robert kelly was more than

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