Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello 201506

CNNW CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello June 19, 2015

Women and you are taking over the country. Is he a terrorist . The con federal flag still flying in the South Carolina folks, its heritage others hate. Should it come down . Plus we as a country, have to know it does not happen in other advanced countries. President obama calling for gun control, again. I have had to make statements like this too many times. Will it get traction this time around . Lets talk. Live in the cnn news room. Good morning. Im carol costello. Thank you for joining me. A Community Grieves in a nation weary of answers. New this morning, two Law Enforcement officials tell cnn roof confessed to the shootings. The same sources say roof bought the. 45 caliber handgun himself back in april. What do you have to say . Today, americans will likely get a fresh look at the suspect 21yearold dylann roof. His expected Court Appearance is unlikely to flush out the portrait of a troubled young man brisling for contempt for africanamericans. He wears the flags of two governments. In another picture, he mugs in front of his car, the license plate with the confederate license plate of america. A florist recognized the car from news reports and trailed it for 30 minutes until police could close in. Im telling you, divine intervention. Im telling you, god had me where i needed to be. I was afraid. I was scared. You know . I just kept saying, lord, you know if i can get there and do it safely. I wasnt going to put myself or anyone else in danger. If i can get his tag number. We are covering all angles of the story. Lets focus on the suspect. Nick valencia is live in charleston South Carolina. Good morning. Reporter good morning. Dylann roof wakes up in a North Carolina jail this morning after being captured 245 miles away from the site of the massacre at the Church Shooting at emanuel ame. Today is supposed to be his first formal Court Appearance in South Carolina. He already appeared in court in North Carolina. We expect the murder charges to be formalized. He will likely appear via video link because of the media frenzy. Yesterday was all about finding him, exactly where he was, his where ants. That is complete today. We spoke to silvia johnson, whose friend survived the massacre on wednesday night. She may be able to provide insight. She talked about what her friend told her the conversations were like in the church before the shooting happened. What i heard is after shooting a couple rounds her son tried to talk him into not committing anymore acts of murder. Her son tried to talk to he did. He tried to talk him down. He said no. You break down women and you are taking over the country. You have raped our women and you are taking over the country . I have to do what i have to do. And he shot the young man. His mother was there and witnessed, she pretended as though she was dead shot and dead. But she watched her son fall and laid there. She laid there in his blood. Cnn was also given exclusive video, perhaps the last vinnages of Clementa Pinckney alive. The images given to cnn show a small bible gathering. Just 13 people in the bible study group, including the shooter. The unspeakable happening in this city. Carol, many people are speaking about this and thats exactly thousand healing is happening here in charleston. We went to get a cup of coffee this morning and ran into a local resident who was in tears talking about this praying over this and she speaks for so many in this community, a community that is relieved the suspect is now in custody, but still grieving after losing nine innocent lives in just an unspeakable tragedy. Carol. Nick valencia reporting live from charleston South Carolina this morning. Those who knew roof said he always ranted about race. Listen to what a friend told abcs nightline. He wanted segregation. He wanted to make something spark up the race war again. What kind of guns did he have . A. 45 glock. Did he carry it around . In his car. Authorities are trying to figure out if roof had ties to White Supremacists or hate groups. South carolina is home to nearly 20 hate groups including the ku klux klan. South carolina is one of few states without hate crime law on the books. Lets talk about this with cnn legal analyst. Paul thanks for being here. Roof is set to appear in court later this afternoon. Whats going to happen there . Well its going to be not really the routine arraignment you would see in a criminal case because of the press interest and the security interest in the case. We are hearing it might be done by video, which is unusual. Usually, the suspect is produced in court. In the end, though this is the start of a long process that is going to lead to a Death Penalty trial in South Carolina. Its a state that has the Death Penalty. Death penalty by lethal injection. E lek tricushion is a possibility possibility. You can forget about bail. There will be no bail in the case. The first thing is court is looking at is is he competent to stand trial . When you look at a guilt pattern that is so clear, Defense Attorneys are looking at one defense, thats insanity. The first thing is court will be looking at is is he competent to stand trial . Thats a very low hurdle. If he understands the charges against him and he can assist his attorney in his defense, he is competent to stand trial. If james holmes is competent to stand trial, this guy is. In terms of the amount of planning that had to go into this it seems he is quite competent. Lets talk about the planning. A lot of people are saying he should be charged with domestic terrorism. He wanted to start a race war. He wanted segregation to become the law of the land again. So, should he be charged with domestic terrorism . My personal view is this is an act of terrorism. If you define it we think of it in terms of islamic terrorism. What that is its a murder of civilians to advance a political ideology. His ideology happens to be hatred of africanamericans and black people. Thats an act of terrorism. The second thing prosecutors look at is will that make my case harder to prove because right now they have a very easy murder case to prove. Unless something comes up it looks like a clear cut case against him. It looks like he can insert insanity but he will never win with the insanity. If you add in terrorism and hate counts you will probably get convictions for those, but it makes the case more difficult to prove. The criminal Justice System functions on two levels. The first is punishing the guilty. It also had to send a message. If people want it charged as a hate crime and an act of terrorism, there might be sense to do that in the criminal Justice System. Thats something for elected officials to look at. Paul, thank you so much. It was very clear, i appreciate that. Lets focus on the victims. They were brought together by prayer and torn apart by violence and hatred. Its not how their legacy will be written. Here is cnns, michaela pereira. Emotional vigils held for the people gunned down. Family and friends remembring the loved one who is were killed in a place of worship. Reporter from the heart of the tragedy in South Carolina our hope is in god. Reporter to the historic walls of the Ebenezer Baptist chaurbaptist church in georgia. Thousands came together to mourn. Nine People Killed wednesday including four beloved reverends. Daniel similar monowho is attended the church every sunday. 49yearold depayne middletondoctor who served in southern wesley university. 45yearold reverend Sharonda Singleton pictured here with her son on mothers day. Consoled by his teammates, Chris Singleton remembers his mom. We love the way my mom did. The hate wont be anywhere near what the love is. Reporter the leader of Emanuel Ame Church was silenced gunned down as he preached. And to see him die face down in the ground. Reporter a state senator reverend pinckney was the youngest appointed to legislature. After the shooting of scott, he led to the body cameras for police. A badge or gun does not give them superiority or trump their privileges and rights in South Carolina. Friends and family struggle to cope with the loss of so many inside the place of worship. Tize wan sa sanders lost his life. Cynthia hurd 54 years old, worked as a librarian. Now, as a tribute to her service, it will be renamed in her honor. Why would you do Something Like this. Reporter tim jackson mourning the loss of his grandmother, susie jackson. Her cousin ethel lance also killed. Myra thompson 59 she was quiching the bible study held each wednesday when the gunman opened fire. So important to remember those victims on this day. We should let you know theres another vigil being held tonight at 6 00 p. M. In charleston at a nearby college. Carol . Michaela pereira reporting. Thank you. Well be right back. 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I pray for a community i know is in pain and with the hope that tragedies like these will one day come to an end. The First Lady Michelle Obama offering her condolences to the victims of the shooting in charleston South Carolina. For president obama, the deadly theme was all too familiar. The gunman ripping a hole through the community. The president stepped in front of cameras. Senior White House Correspondent jim acosta has more. Its a project that i have had to make statements like this too many times. The president and Vice President knew the victims, the pastor of the church where the latest rampage occurred. The killings in charleston mr. Obama said should serve as an all too familiar wakeup call. It doesnt happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it. Reporter but he has spoken out on Mass Shootings at least 14 times from ft. Hood aurora newtown and the nations capitol. One nearly took the life of congresswoman Gabby Giffords another happened at the movies. What if malia and sasha had been at the Movie Theater as many of our kids do every day. A day at sandy hook elementary. These tragedies must end. To end them we must change. Reporter the president pushed for a new measure that would require background checks on firearms sold at gun shows and online. Gabby giffords deserves a vote. The families of oak creek, tucson and the countless other communities ripped open by gun violence. They deserve a simple vote. Reporter after a lobbying effort the bipartisan proposal was defeated. The amendment is not agreed to. There were no coherent arguments as to why we wouldnt do this. It came down to politics. Reporter rand paul condemned the violence in charleston but argued more gun control isnt the answer. Theres something terribly wrong, but it isnt going to be fixed by your government. Reporter jim acosta cnn, the white house. Lets talk about this. Ben ferguson is a conservative radio talk show host. Welcome to both of you. Thank you. Morning. You know when these things happen, ben, we talk maybe we should review our gun laws something should be done then we move on and nothing happens. Everybody argues whether its the right time to do it or not and blah blah blah. This is where its ease stoi push the narrative gun control laws would stop this. The reality is the gun control laws many wanted to push and the democrats, including the president would not have outlawed the gun he use zed. You have a sick deranged human being. There isnt a law that you could have passed to stop this from happening. He broke gun laws with the crime he committed. Theres countless laws that he broke that were outside of gun laws yet, this still happened. Supposedly the gun was a gift from his family. Again, we dont know if this was bought from his dad, if the money was given to him to buy one. Hes 21 years old. Can you buy a gun . Yes. He bought the gun himself. Hes 21 years old. He has the right to do that. He wasnt a convicted felon. To say a gun law could have stopped this based on the weapon he used from what we understand the laws proposed to be passed would not have stopped this. Is this is valuable conversation to have because he bought the gun legally . I agree with ben that theres not a lot of laws we have on the books right now that could have prevented this from happening. I do agree with the president. I agree with the nra, for that matter we need to take a tighter look at mental instability and the easy access that mentally ill people have to guns. That here is the big problem. Even if there is if this was a situation where this guys father gave him the gun, theres no law. How do we know he is mentally ill, by the way . Do we know that for sure . This is where its sticky. If we want to go after the mentally ill and make sure they dont have access to the guns, unfortunately, that means digging into peoples privacy. Thats the only way to figure out ut. I would like to see more i dont know if you want to call it laws but at least focusing more on the mentally unstable and their access to guns. How do you do that without violating peoples civil rights. Couldnt we argue wait wait. Lets go back to the mentally unstable thing. Anybody who has a gun and murders is mentally unstable. That doesnt mean they have a Mental Illness or is instain, legally. Look at the terrorist cases where people are being followed by the fbi. Even though they are watched and the fbi has people talking to isis, it doesnt mean to arrest them until they commit a crime. Thats how the laws are written in this country. If you look at this young man, there is obviously issues there. His roommate says i took his gun away from him. I think we need a better conversation, if you see something, say something. With a bag left on a subway or a bag left by an airport entryway. If a roommate took the gun away but didnt tell authorities, we have to talk about that. You think they are a threat to society, took their gun away then gave it back. You have the responsibility to talk to authorities about that moment and time when you were afraid of this person maybe harming you or others. See, i like this conversation. Brian, the last point i want to make about how the conversation goes nowhere in there country. When things happen they say, oh, if only someone in that church had a gun, this would have been prevented. Can you address that . I would like to. Would i like to have a firearm in that situation, absolutely i would. I can give you many examples of situations where firearms have saved lives in america. I can give you examples of situations where they havent. The most recent is last month in waco texas, where you had 12 Armed Police Officers inside a restaurant and nine people ended up dead anyway. Some shot and killed by the police but some were not. My point is the mere presence of firearms was not enough to prevent the violence from happening. I dont think, look would i want to have a firearm in that situation . I absolutely would. I think ben would agree with me on that. It is not a magic cure all to the gun violence we have

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