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Did know anyone in the Trump Campaign who had. And a now report shows that kushner did receive an email to be forwarded to officials. And now focusing on a meeting between donald trump jr. And lawyers and other at that meeting. It was set up after trump junior was told that the lawyer had dirt on hillary clinton. We have a team of analysts standing by, we want begin with Abby Phillips outside of the white house. What are you hearing this morning. Lawmakers from both parties raising questions as to whether Jared Kushner was not entirely responsive to their inquiries into emails and documents related to their investigation. But kushners lawyer is saying that his client was responsive. That the emails theyre asking for actually deal with other peoples contacts with wikileaks and russia. The senators are actually looking for some documents. An email that they now exists about russian back door meetings. This was a message that was sent to kushner. He was copied on it and kushner then later forwarded it to other people in the campaign. Let me read you a little bit from kushners lawyer statement in response to that request. He says in over six hours of voluntary testimony, mr. Kushner answered all questions put to him. And demonstrated that there had been no collusion between the campaign and russia. So, a lot of strong pushback there. But there are a lot of questions being raised more generally about whether or not theres information that jieared kushne had that these slow to provide. We know as far as his security clearance is concerned some of that documentation is incomplete. He had to amend it over 100 times and lawmakers want information and they want some answers. All right, abby, thank you so much there at the white house. Lets go to Frederik Pleitgen joining us live in moscow now. Fred, we learned that special Counsel Robert Mueller is looking to meet with a meeting between a russian lawyers and others, trump junior, Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort as well. This is really a crucial part of this investigation. Well, you know, it is certainly is. And one of the reasons is the emails, victor, that happened before this came to place. They came from a man named rob goldstone, hes a friend of the president and other also the reason why donald trump jr. Agreed in this meeting in the first place with Natalia Veselnitskaya, the russian lawyer. He wrote an email to donald trump jr. In effect stating what you stated before that there was dirt on hillary clinton. And then comes what is a decisive sentence. A quote, this is obviously highlevel and Sensitive Information but is part of russia and its Government Support for mr. Trump. And in response to all of this, donald trump jr. Then wrote something to the effect of, if it is what you say it is, then i love it. And thats when this meeting took place. Now, we know in retrospect that donald trump jr. And others involved in that meeting said nothing came of that meeting. And certainly theyre going to be very interested to speak to mr. Gold stoestone currently in bangkok. Trying to get him to testify. Apparently, though, there is no date set yet. But certainly special counsel will want to know what exactly was said prior to that meeting and what was the dirt that this man was actually talking about, victor. Frederik pleitgen there in moscow, thank you. Jared kushner played a key role, though, in his Fathers Campaign as you might remember which was to come to play on the investigations on capitol hill. During the height of the campaign, kushner and donald trump jr. Met with a russian lawyer an don junior was told that this lawyer had dirt on hillary clinton. In september, don junior messaged with wikileaks, and sent that information to kushner. Now, kushner forwarded it to senior top advisers. Kushner held a secret meeting at trump tower in december after donald trump was elected president , of course. And the administration said the meeting was, quote, an unskwengsal hello. Just a few weeks later, kushner admitted that the security clearance form were incomplete. And had to amend them several times for caught with foreign officials. Kushner supported the decision to fire james comey in may. And investigators are learning that theyre learning more about kushners involvement. And then on thursday, the Judiciary Committee accused kushner of withholding document its related to the russia investigation and asked them to turn it over. And then last night, cnn learned that kushner told congress no one in the Trump Campaign communicated with wikileaks even though he did receive an email about wikileaks and therefore forwarded. Here now ron brownstein, senior commit cal analyst. And mark omara, former prosecutor. Gentlemen, good morning to you. Ron, let me start with you, i went back and did a little reading, watched earlier shows back in july. I remember your saying after Jared Kushner released that opening state before his testimony on capitol hill that there are no subordinate clauses, subordinate clauses here, right . Right. This is absolute. Right. What trouble is he in now potentially . Detail how problematic this inconsistency can be . Well, look, we are seeing a consistent pattern of inconsistency if thats not a contradiction. Right, you know we have a variety of administration officials, who have forgotten, meetings with russians. You know, this was the ninth president ial campaign ive covered. Ive covered every one since 1984. Ive never seen a Single Campaign that has had as many contacts with a Foreign Government as we see perpetually new revelations by russia to communicate at the highest level of the Trump Campaign. Nothing, i dont think theres anything like that certainly in my lifetime. What we have is a pattern of Jared Kushner, the attorney general, others simply not supporting on these contacts until presented with information that makes it incontra vertable. And so from the point of view from investigators on capitol hill and special counsel, what you have today, a pretty clear pattern of people who are not parentally forthcoming whether that crosses the line of false statements or perjury, well leave that to others but i think from the point of view from the public, theres no doubt that the pattern were seeing is less than full disclosure on a p perpetualness. And were seeing the wikileaks question is a classic gotcha question. The questions were, have you had any communications with wikileaks, guccifer, and so forth. Or do you know anyone on the campaign who had. I dont think how thats a gotcha question. Right. No, i mean, look, it certainly seems directly to the point in the email that he was informed that someone else in the campaign was in contact with wikileaks and said he was often aware of any such contact. Very similar to the attorney general where he said he was unaware of any Campaign Officials who had met with russians and yet he was at a meeting with George Papadopoulos in which he talked specifically about the outreach with his contacts from russia. Again, we have a clear pattern here. Hence, the repeat, i do not recall. Mark, let me come to you and ill read a portion of the Opening Statement that Jared Kushner reportedly red when de was on the hill testifying. It was typical for me to receive 200 or more emails a day during the campaign. I did not have the time to read every one, especially long emails from unknown senders or email chains to which i was added. That may be preemptive, but is it possible that Jared Kushner would not read an email, again, we dont know what the body of the email, from his brotherinlaw . No i dont think its plausible to suggest that now. It reminds me to the watergate days when you say, to the best of my recollection, i do not remember. Even more importantly, Jared Kushner was prepared, well prepared by his lawyers, a team of lawyers, to get him ready for the congressional testimony. We have to assume without being in the room with them that that he would go over those particular issues that are of concern to congress. And we know what they were. It was to question whether or not there was any conspiracy. Theyve used the term collusion but a true conspiracy. Which is did you do something to act in further answance of this particular act. In this case with the russian government and the campaign. The idea that it comes up before congress and says i dont remember the wikileaks event if there was one. Quite honestly to me, its patently absurd because that is precisely what i would have prepared my client for if he was about to be a with the in front of congress. Do you believe about the phrasing of senator grassleys letter that says he may have overlooked several documents that we know exists . My Quick Response as a lawyer is you overlook Something Like that, and youre going to be cross examined for two hours by it and youll be devastated by it. Sure, thats the cover. We can all say that but it has to be taken in context with all of the other information being looked at by congress. And most importantly in my opinion by prosecutor moore. Hes doing a methodical job, this is going to fit into context in effect one or two or three pieces of a very large puzzle that hes putting together. Unless theres a better answer than i dont remember, i forgot, then hes in trouble. Lets talk about muellers investigation. Reportedly, hes looking into speaking with his british promoter Ron Goldstone who set up the 2012 meeting between Natalia Veselnitskaya and donald trump jr. And manafort and kushner and so forth. Remind everyone what he can offer to this investigation . Well, he was the link between the russian lawyer and the campaign. He was the contact. He was the one who made the approach and as we noted in the previous segment, you know, said there was dirt being offered as part of the russian russian Government Support for your dad. And rather than, you know, as we talked then, what we talked about when the emails came out, rather than the first action being going to the fbi and saying, hey, you know, the russian government is trying to offer dirt on our political opponent, interfere in the election it was lets take a meeting. Its very similar to what we saw with George Papadopoulos. Again, the same thing, no one in the campaign, when informed of the outreach to him by the professor in london, no ones reaction was, okay, we need to inform the authorities that theres a russian effort to insert information, or insert damaging information into our campaign. So, again, it is a consistent pattern. And the other thing that we talked about last summer that i think this really reinforces, its very hard to handicap an investigation the same way as we do a political campaign. Robert mueller knows a lot that we dont know. The George Papadopoulos guilty plea came as a surprise to anyone. As big a surprise that you can have in washington. The safe thing to say he knows a lot of things that we dont know. Probably discussing rather more than less difficulty in the investigation. Mark, let me wrap up with you, rob goldstone, not an american citizen. British promoter. Hes in bangkok right now. Do the rules of the game still apply when youre testifying in front of this special counsel, when youre a Foreign National . Not quite, no. They actually had to get him back here much more voluntarily than try to force the issue. Its going to be a little difficult if he wants to not come back here to be a witness, theres many, many more procedures have to be followed to get him here. My hope and my thought with mueller and what hes got going on in the weight of his investigation, something that goldstone is not going to avoid testifying and speaking is going to cause him more problems than its worth. And not telling the truth to the investigators. Absolutely. The worse thick yng you you can if you want to buy yourself a federal crime, lie to federal investigators. Thats a crime itself. Thank you both. An eighth woman has come forward accusing Alabama Senate candidate roy moore of sexual misconduct. The moment he walked in, it was fullon assault. I mean, he was very, very flirtatious. 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It was like we were there for a long period of time. It was so uncomfortable. I knew something was up, but i just ignored it, tried you know, just what it was. He proceeded to come to the end of the desk and really close up on me. You said so close you could sort of feel his breath . Right. Actually, i think his knee might have been touching my knee. You know, his hands were not only it was like his knee was close to mine or something. Then when it was time for us to leave, my mother had got up and letter the room you know, to go up to the door. And when she was going out the door and i proceeded out, and he just grabbed me from behind on my buttocks. And he just squeezed it really hard. I remember thinking i was so ashamed. I felt humiliated in that moment. It took everything out of me. Well, roy moore has not responded to repeated requests for comments on johnsons allegations. And hes vehemently denied other womens allegations against him. Cnns nick valencia is following this story in gadsden, alabama. Nick, any indication when we will hear from the candidate about these latest claims . Good morning, victor. We shouldnt expect to hear from roy moore, because his stance has been from the very beginning as the stance of the campaign, hes repeatedly denied the allegations. And his supporters have come out defensively this week to defend the character of roy moore, theyre saying these accusations are of course ripping apart an innocent man. They say theyve come forward afternoon 38, 40 years after these alleged incidents took place because they feared at the time that they would fought be believed. In some case they could not get away with something worse happening for them. That has not been enough gossip for fodder for supporters saying that these women have come forward. They claim he is a good christian man. That is 100 innocent. His accusers, of course, they believe hes gotten away with something terrible here, victor. Yesterday, judge moores wife, kayla moore, defended him. What have you heard from people there in alabama in response to what she said . You know, its interesting because the new fox news polls came out yesterday morning showing that roy moore was behind his democratic points among women, eight points overall. Thats really not the sense you get here when you talk to people. We have had multiple people coming up saying they support roy moore and believe him over the women. One Ardent Supporter is kayla hi

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