Cummings, and we just heard from former president barack obama eulogizing him following former president bill clinton eulogizing Elijah Cummings, and really just some amazing words that we have heard about a tremendous statesman in congress. We heard from president obama saying he was telling a story about Elijah Cummings father who was a sharecropper, and he said that this was a story cummings had told him. He said they would go to the airport not to board planes, but to watch others do it. Robert would say, i have not flied, i may not fly, but you will fly one day. We cant afford it right now, but you will fly. I want to bring in abby phillip to talk about what weve watched he in baltimore. Its amazing to hear things from friends of Elijah Cummings, who you might be surprised they were his friends, stalwart republicans who had Amazing Things to say about Elijah Cummings. And the statesmanship he made that seems to be on a downward slope. It seems there are fewer and fewer of those people here in washington. Some of the Memorial Service we heard today and recent services weve heard in recent years, you heard president obama talk about howie Elijah Cummings was honorable before he had that title. You dont just become honorable because someone gives you a position of power but because you act that way. I think thats what he presented to both sides of the aisle. You heard people respected the strength of his conviction but also noted that he was not a disagreeable person. He might have disagreed on politics with a lot of people, but he was able to maintain the integrity of his character. And when people talk about that, when it comes to Elijah Cummings, theyre not speaking in a vacuum. Theyre talking to what seems to be a decline of that sense. In this moment, i think its important to recognize that. It is this moment where i think people are yearning to hear about someone who has those values. One of the moments that stood out so much to me was Congressional Staff member. We pay a lot of attention, obviously, to these highprofile folks who are eulogizing him, president clinton, Hillary Clinton and president obama. But one of his Staff Members who had worked for him for 15 years, which says a lot, as you know, abby, when were talking about members of congress. Especially when theres a lot of turnover. Thats right, harry said he took the time to teach me life lessons, however, the last two and a half years were different. He went on to list those. Compassion and kindness, building bridges, pass the ball and work through your pain. Especially that last one, work through your pain which he did quite literally. His wife said when he passed, he worked until his last breath. Hes been ill for some time and has worked through that pain, literally, in congress and gave one of the most, i think, powerful moments of his tenure at the helm of oversight, really calling for the American People to wake up to this political moment when it comes to what they were seeing out of the white house which he vehemently disagreed with. He also vehemently disagreed with the Trump Administrations policy on the border. He made that very clear. He never backed off of that. But, you know, to the point that his staffer was making, cummings was known on the hill as being someone who tried to be a mentor to literally everyone, including reporters who were just walking through the hallways. Thats the kind of person that he was. Abby, thank you so much. And in the meantime, President Trump is continuing to defend his call with ukranian president zelensky as House Democrats say they are now considering articles of impeachment against him. I had a perfect conversation with the president of ukraine, perfect. They made up stories about that conversation. Had they seen it, we wouldnt even be talking about it right now. The conversation was perfect. The conversation has been been perfect. Jeremy diamond is live at the white house. Tell us what else the president had to say on the south lawn, jeremy. Well, brianna, as you know, the president continues to deny the quid pro quo of withholding security aid to ukraine because the president wanted ukraine to announce these veflinvestigatio into the company on which joe bidens son sat on the board of and into the 2016 election. That is the quid pro quo that was decided by the house in the testimony of bill taylor. I asked the president if he was accusing bill taylor of lying. Here is how the president responded. The problem is heres the problem. Hes a never trumper, and his lawyers are never trumper and the other problem is hey, everybody makes mistakes. Mike pompeo, everybody makes mistakes. Reporter so very telling there, brianna, that the president declines to answer the substance of the conversation whether bill taylor is indeed lying if he announced this quid pro quo, instead the president choosing to attack bill taylor without evidence as a never trumper, and saying mike pompeo made a mistake, apparently, by hiring bill taylor to ambassador of ukraine. Were also expecting tim morrison who was on the president s call to the ukraine president to actually corroborate some of the key details alleged by bill taylor and others, including that very notion of a quid pro quo. Brianna . Jeremy diamond at the white house, thank you. We are getting closer to a first in the House Democrats impeachment inquiry of President Trump. Next week theyre expected to hear from the first witness who was actually on the july 25th phone call between President Trump and ukranian president zelensky. His name is tim morrison. He was mentioned repeatedly in that bombshell testimony this week from bill taylor, the top u. S. Diplomat in ukraine. He is the senior director for europe and russia on the National Security counsel. He replaced fiona hill at the nfc. She testified last week. And democrat on the House Oversight committee is joining us. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, brianna. So he is currently serving white house official. He is currently on the White House Security counsel. How important is this testimony . Brianna, first if i could just say a word about Elijah Cummings. Im so glad hes a modest human being, but the tribute you saw today from president obama, from secretary clinton, from mark meadows shows the extraordinary character that he had. I still remember when i got to congress, he said, any time anyone asks you for a picture, is to stop and say, its an absolute honor. He was such a good human being and im so glad the country can reflect on his life. I loved what president obama said about him when he said that the cost of doing nothing is not nothing. Absolutely, and he lived his whole life understanding that and he understood that history was going to judge him and he was aware of that every day about not just what he was going to do on the news cycle but what his legacy was going to be for the country. Its good the nation got to hear the type of human being he was and how hes inspired us as to what we can be. To your question, the testimony is going to be absolutely critical. His testimony and possibly john boltons testimony. We have to understand, what did the white house know in terms of Rudy Giulianis policy towards ukraine . How many of the president s advisers were concerned about this . Did they go to the president and did the president overrule them . Do you think tim morrison is going to know that . I think he would. It seems to me that both tim morrison and john bolton have information. We have public reports that john bolton thought that this was crazy, like a drug deal. And tim morrison worked directly for john bolton. So i believe both of them would have information about the concerns that career officials were expressing about this quid pro quo. And when it comes to bolton, his attorneys have actually been talking with House Democrats. Where does an appearance by him stand at this point . Im hopeful. I believe that john bolton wants to testify to clear his own name. I mean, from all the public reports, we see that john bolton was sounding the alarm about this and was very uncomfortable with what was going on. I have disagreed with john bolton very publicly on many Foreign Policy issues, but i have never questioned his integrity in following the rules, and he is a lawyer, he was a yaleeducated lawyer. You can see why john bolton wouldnt want to be part of some kind of conspiracy, and so my hope is he will want to vindicate his own name. Are we going to see public hearings in november . By the middle of november, do you think . We will see public hearings. The argument that the house isnt doing public hearings is just such a distraction. Right now were collecting evidence. Its the same thing, by the way, the republicans did on benghazi. There will be public hearings and people will get to question and hear from these witnesses this public. These are depositions. We do keep pointing out there are republicans and democrats in the room. The entirety of these committees are permitted in the room and republicans are there participating in this process. Absolutely. But when do you think we will see, the public, when do you think well see the public hearings . Im hopeful maybe in november after thanksgiving, certainly before any articles of impeachment are drawn, the public will get to hear directly, the public will get to see people questioned publicly. But its not helpful right now to have folks come in in front of the entire nation, and some of these people may not want to be testifying in front of everyone, and we have to respect some of their privacy and their ability to offer evidence without having, you know, a hundred cameras on them. So it sounds like youre saying late noevember, early december for public hearings . I think once the investigation phase is finished, then we will move on to them. I cant commit to a timeline because ultimately its chairman schiff and nancy pelosi who get to make the call. But youre hopeful after thanksgiving . Yes, im hopeful after thanksgiving well start to get into the fray with the Judicial Committee and start having some of these folks to testify publicly. Where are you on the actual articles of impeachment . Its tough to see what the president s defense will be. There is an article in poliltico where he says there is no defense. How can you defend what took place where the president , according to public testimony, is asking zelensky to basically have a public press conference saying hes going to investigate joe biden . The democrats, are they brainstorming, are they writing . What point in the process are they at . To be honest with you, what were trying to do is make sure the case is so strong that we get some senators willing to consider the evidence. Right now what you have, in my view, is the public supports impeachment, youve had democrats and independents support impeachment, even some republicans according to the polling, but you dont have any senator right now willing to support the impeachment inquiry, so were trying to build such an airtight case that the senate cant just say, were not going to do our constitutional duty. Congressman khanna, thank you for coming to the studio. Thank you. A doj review of the socalled 2016 russian probe coming up against impeachment inquiry headlines. 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Reporter this is going to spark a lot of questions as to whether or not the Trump Organization needs to do this, maybe they feel that the property is more trouble than its worth at this point. Of course, when the Trump Organization took this property on and licensed and basically is paying rent to the government to operate this property, they put a lot of money into it. So they made a large investment in this Historic Building to really bring it up to the modern age and actually renovate a lot of it. So the Trump Organization put a lot of money into it, and they may be thinking, look, its more trouble than its worth to operate. Let me give you a little window into that. One of the biggest books of business for hotels in washington, d. C. Is actually companies. Well, companies that come in to do conferences and meetings in washington, d. C. May want to avoid the hotel, because they dont want to be questioned about it. They know that it is subject to various lawsuits, various investigations on the hill, so, for example, this week i was up on the hill listening to Mark Zuckerberg testify in front of congress, and the hearing was on something completely unrelated to trump properties, and one of the congresspeople asked him if he books there. They probably want to avoid that. Theyre losing business to competitors in the area. Ethic experts look at this and they say especially because President Trump didnt put his assets into a blind trust and hes clearly still involved in the business and his kids are running it, they say its unethical that hes being enriched by this hotel. Does that have anything to do with this . Reporter i think that the ethics question around this is what makes it so difficult and such a headache for the Trump Organization to operate this property. Also separately there are real legal questions about certain payments that this hotel gets and whether or not it violates the antibribery clause in the constitution that prohibits the president from receiving profits from foreign and domestic governments. So i think there is a lot of headaches from the Trump Organization. Well see if a potential buyer is going to meet the price that the Trump Organization wants here, but certainly an Interesting Development that will spark more questions at this point about the president s business. Brianna . Christina lechey, thank you. The president wanted it and now he has it. After calling the russia probe a hoax, to be clear, this isnt a hoax. The volume of the Mueller Report which you spent so much time covering showed election interference, and there was attempts made by President Trump to interfere in that election. So why is the doj making this a criminal probe . Reporter were not sure what caused this escalation, but one of the things that it does is that it allows the federal prosecutor, john durham out of connecticut who really is working hand in hand with the attorney general bill barr. Whats really unusual here is the role the attorney general is playing in this. Hes directly involved in the daytoday parts of this investigation. Hes traveled to italy, other parts, working with International Partners to try and figure out exactly what information they provided to the u. S. Government and how that information was used. By making this a criminal probe, theyre now able to subpoena witnesses, people they want to talk to. Weve b