Their security clearances. And tonight sources telling cnn that the president is quite pleased with the whole discussion and distraction. So lets discuss now. Frank bruiny is here, a cnn contributor and also columnist for the new york times, also micha michael dantonio, author of the truth about trump. Good evening, gentlemen. This threat to revoke security clearances we face this challenge again, right, frank . Its a distraction, right . But what hes doing is also a big story because i think hes promoting an enemies list. So what do we do . We have to cover it but its another distraction. We have to cover it because its another way this presidency is breaking all norms. And donald trump likes to intimidate his critics. Hes serving notice where if he go out there in the world and say negative things about it, hell make it difficult for you to do your livelihood. This is the piece with us in the press in fact hes incited violence against us. You think three times, four times before you criticize him because your life could become difficult. I think to talk about it in any other way is to soft pedal it. And michael cohn was the guy who went around and threatened everybody. This is the m. O. , constantly distract but also threaten. Its also extremely destructive. The whole idea is to get everybody confused so theres no reality, no truth and we question everything. Remember this was the president who said he kind of envied the north Korean Leader because his people kind of stood at attention. Well, this is piece of that as well. You know, he tweets about the, you know, the whole russia investigation, and he seems to contradict what his intelligence people are telling him. Hes calling it a hoax, and he claims that but he says he believes u. S. Intelligence, but yet this is hoax. So then what is what . And Sarah Sanders tried to explain it today saying, well, he believe this part is a hoax but this part is real. What . He doesnt want us talking about what happened in helsinki. This is all of a piece with him constantly throwing out a million notions. Another thing to remember is this is actually a soviet technique. The soviets did it, and then putin started doing it. Where you throw out conspiracy theories about everything, and it can be contradictory. Thats the whole idea is to create so much confusion in peoples minds that they cant cross the trulgt. And when hes reading on the paper, you must say this because youre just getting creamed in the media and by your own republican and own colleagues, you need to say this. But what he really means 100 . Youre seeing trump reigned in one moment and reverting to what he wants to do the next. And back and forth and back and forth. And thats why its a contradiction because what he insists on believing which holds him harmless and everyone going after him are villains, thats what he believes youve known him for a long time and you have a new oped. He often says he was the Best High School ball player in new york state. Records show he wasnt. He thinks the deception helps him and he doesnt think lies matter. I dont think you can give up. This is the thing everyones been debate, well, do we keep calling him out . Hes not going to stop so you have to keep calling out each moment of this because no one else is standing up for the truth. So i know people who know him and have known him for a long time and they all know this, right . And they say now i dont know who this guy is, right . But they all say the same thing and the best ball players and new yorkers know this. Why is the rest of the country falling for the lies and deception . Most people are not paying attention. We have to be certain about that. Who watches even cnn, msnbc, the other network. But its a limited audience. And the vast number of americans are earning a living, raising their kids, going out on dates and theyre not focused on how many times this person lies. He was taught to do this by his family from a very young age. You said it comes from his father. Absolutely. He fixed things for donald. He created false successes for him growing up. So he was taught, well, im going to go up to the military academy, im going to get in with those guys and then theyre going to promote me. And thats what happened. Even his family members know it, so what is the rest of the country is he right . Are they not paying attention . I think hes very right. We always overestimate how close the attention people are paying is. But there are many people saying thats donald trump being donald trump, i like these other aspects of him and im not going to focus on that. The more he lies the more it becomes white noise to them. Its not something they really concern themselves with but just donald trump being donald trump. And people think its fun. They see me talking like this in an exasperated way and theyre amused. I wonder if there were other president s well, there werent other president s who lied this way, but i wonder what the reaction would have been if barack obama lied this way. Initially we would have been horrified because we expected better of him, he led us to expect better of him. Here in lies the ultimate explanation for trumps habits. He lies because he gets away with it. The danger is he could damage public trust where citizens retreat to a habit of cynical acceptance. Visit an authoritarian country like russia. Hope resides in institutions and individuals who refuse to accept the deceptions. So we have to keep on keeping on. This is our lot to call out the lies every time they happy, that there is a factual basis for our shared reality and dont give in. Dont give in to thinking everything is corrupt. Maybe a good exam is dan coats coming out and refuting what the president said, you know, about interference. Saying, listen, this is the real deal. He got chastised for it, but he did it. I think thats important because very often trumps critics, when we call him out on his lies, they say we donttrust i want to put this up because frankly i know you are also interested in the polling. Starting the day before the trumpputin conference. His Approval Rating rose 1 point from june to 45 . So whats your take here . What youre seeing there the rise has to do among republicans. And what youre seeing is a tribalism in our politics that when they see their guy being critici criticized by the other side they dont like to say whats wrong. Just weve got to rally to his side. Youre not only rooting for the team, youre convinceed the other team is dangerous, evil. And that motivates you when your person is under attack to rally to his or her side all the more strongly. Thats what youre seeing in the polls and the Trump Presidency week in, week out. What people should note, though, hes not doing well among independents. 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Tonight georgias governor and House Speaker calling for a republican state lawmaker to resign after he was caught with his pants down screaming racial slurs. His name is jason spencer. He says he was pranked into believing he was making an antiterrorism training video. Again, i have to warn you the language youre about to hear is extremely offensive, but we are going to play it before you because i dont believe in sanitizing stuff. This is the news. I dont want to sanitize what this man said and did so here it is. Because of who you are you could be the victim of kidnapping by isis. You have two seconds to attract attention. How do you attract attention . Start screaming, take your clothes off. In america theres a world, it is the end world. I am going to be the terrorist. You have three seconds to attract attention. G go. [ bleep ]. Are you crazy, the word is noonie not the nword. Thats disgusting. It is awful. Alice, good evening, everyone. Hi, don. Youve been talking to people who know representative spencer. Theres clearly no excuse for what he did, but what are they telling you . Theyre saying i grew up in georgia, lived in his district for several years and theyre saying hes disgraced himself, people of georgia, people across the country. And republicans and democrats alike, people across the state are calling for him to resign. They say its completely unacceptable. They say its uncalledfor, it is disgraceful, and it is across the board unequivocal thing that he should not have done that, what was he thinking, this is bridge too far and he needs to go now. Unfortunately, he is going to stick it out. He was defeated in the primary back in may and he still has five months to serve in the state legislator and he plans to stick it out. But i dont see it lasting. People across the board from the governor on down are encouraging him to step down. Its just unacceptable. This is his response. Okay . He said in response to the Washington Post and he said he had participated in this because he had received death threats. And he said sasha sasha barren cohen and his associates tack advantage of my paralyzing fear that my family would be attacked. In posingans israeli agent he pretended to offer selfdefense exercises. My fears were so heightened at that time i was not thinking clearly nor could i appreciate what i was agreeing to when i participated in his class. I deeply regret the language. I used at his request. If i was not so distracted by my fears i have not agreed to participate in the first place. What do you think . Is he a racist, of course, he just admitted that on the camera. Does he need to resign, of course he does. As alice points out of course he does. Its not a thing. I think theres a teaching moment in there because one thing i found striking is how easily he moved back and forth between racism and homophobia and emasculation. Thats not where my mind goes. And theres another section where he drops literally and toots his butt up show me the bottom. No, trousers down. America. Good, one more time but louder with america. America. Good. We say if you want to win you show some skin. Okay, show it to me. Now try to touch me. Ill touch you. Ill touch you with my buttocks. You drop the gun or ill touch you. Usa. So he did that because he was he was told it would scare terrorists. Go on. You were saying. That and at the end he pretends to cut off the fake penis off the fake terrorist. My mind doesnt go there. I think you need to examine whats going on with that piece, right . Because if you have something to say its 2018, say it. But to me it feels like deal with that because all of the phobias in america and all of the isms are cousins. Its fascinating psychologically to see him traverse back and forth between it constantly. One more thing i want to show. Theres another one. No. Yeah, this is him. In addition to using the n word, okay, he also spoke in an offensive asian accent pretending to be an asian tourist and trying to take a photo under a burka and trying to see if she is a terrorist. Convince him you are chinese. Go. Red Dragon Hong Kong sushi hochi min city, red dragon, chopstick, sushi. Alice . Sushi, really . Theres really not a whole lot to say about that other than its hes saying sasha barren cohen basically hoodwinked him. Does sasha barren cohen bear any responsibility for this or is this on him for being so gullible . This was certainly creative, but for him to blame anyone is ridiculous. This state representative as soon as he knew this was wrong he should have walked out and not looked back. He shouldnt blame anyone else. He should completely take responsibility and do the best he can to salvage whats left of what he has in his future. And i think for him to blame anyone else is completely wrong. Look, i think theres going to be a lot more. Sasha barren cohen has duped a lot of people and the shows to follow he said he was just really scared of the terrorist, alice. Look, he should be scared of what he saw of himself in that episode. I think its beyond disturbing. But, look, he has no one to blame but himself. Anyone in that situation, it was long enough for him to realize this is completely not something i want to be associated with and he had every opportunity to walk out. And i think its wrong for him to put the blame on someone else. A couple of people would but nobody can dupe you to say whats yoin in your heart. You have to decide whether youre going to say that thing out loud. You have to decide whether youre going to go konichiwa or pull your pants down. Thats on you. When we come back federal investigators seizing several tapes from Michael Cohen. The question is does it show the president lied about that pay off . Does your Business Internet provider promise a lot . Lets see who delivers more. 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Cnn and my colleague here, dana bash reported last week that trump and his attorney rudy giuliani, excuse me believes the president is coming down to the idea of limiting the scope of a potential interview with mueller. This is the quote. He said i think he has accepted this idea it cant be wide ranging, but he still want to do something. Whats your reaction to the news . Do you think trumps legal team feels theres vulnerability here even with that in. I have to think you do have vulnerability. And frankly id be surprised if mueller and his team want to limit things like that. Is there vulnerability to obstruction . Is that why theyre making this demand . There could be, right . I mean obstruction has been bandied about, and, frankly, you know, thats the big concern. If i am President Trumps attorney, thats the biggest concern, right . Because if you look at the tweets, if you look at the public statements, prosecutors are listening. Theyre listening to every statement thats being made by the president. And theyre coddling together and putting together those statements for absolutely a potential obstruction of justice case. What about perjury as well . You know, sometimes he doesnt tell the truth a lot most of the time. You know, the thing with perjury is what happens under oath. And, frankly, these statements and the public narrative and the president trying to control that public narrative, youre absolutely right theres an inconsistency there. Listen, blocking questions about obstruction wouldnt necessarily rule out the possibility of the president being indicted or continuing the investigation on that, right . Youre right, don. And i dont think look, this has been such a moving target in terms of this negotiation, which is going on for what, almost a year now in terms of, hey, hell talk, hell sit down with you. He wants to sit down with you, but hell only talk about a few things. And so its changed from week to week and month to month. So i frankly dont buy any of it. And also keep in mind, don, the whole what do you mean you dont buy any of that . What dont you buy . Hes never going to sit down with this prosecutor under these circumstances and answer questions that could put him in jeopardy. So hes stalling . Theyre stalling . Absolutely. If i was his lawyer i would say, mr. President , over my objection. Youre not going to do it. Youre not going to sit down and be exposed to a series of interviews and questions thats going to come back to bite you for the very reasons youve been talking about in terms of the truth being a moving target. And remember, don, very important, jim comey, the whole reason hes critical of this investigation, the whole reason hes a witness is because muellers theory is that he was fired, he was absolutely fired as a result of what he was doing visa vi a russia collusion investigation. That is that is quintessential obstruction of justice. All right. Julia, it seems you agree with guy that the president is not going to sit down. I saw you were shaking your head. Can we move on now because i want to switch gears. Yeah, i dont think hes going to testify. Lets talk about Michael Cohen. Waived attorneyclient privilege on that recording. Trump speaking to his former attorney about a payment to former playboy model karen mcdougal, which would allow the government to use it in their investigation. Court filings show prosecutors have 11 additional tapes includi including conversations he had with members of the media. Why would the Trump Legal Team waive their privilege . What is the strategy behind th