Then they explain why they do it. They said because both witnesses and meshes of congress conduct themselves differently in interviews than in the public glare of a hearing. Yeah, i just played trey gowdy saying exactly that, who i often refer to as captain benghazi. Now he may be part of the president s defense team if there is any trial. I thought that was over. I thought that wasnt happening. Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows whats going to happen . Its not easy for him to keep lawyers. I always get my hypocrisy and shieden freewayia mixed up. Theyre kind of same thing. Not really. Shouden freewayia is where you take pleasure at other peoples pain. Hypocrisy is where you do what you say others shouldnt do. Listen, i know the definition of that one. Like when i see you fall down, i laugh because i have shouden freewayia. You just take glee in my downfall always. No, not at all. That just means youre a bad person. I love you like family. I got to tell you interesting, especially the storming of the scif. I heard you talking about it and that listen, people do things all the time in congress. Remember when the democrats sat in, and they broke the rules and some of them got in trouble for it, and they said it was bad because they were actually facetiming during those things . Okay. But this was a Security Breach. Yep. And that information is not supposed to be released to the public until someone has come in and said, okay, its okay to release it now. This is what you can release. I mean how can they have an excuse for that . My man, bill johnson, head congressman bill johnson on, smart, ohio, republican. Oh, boy. I asked him about the phone. He doesnt answer, and he keeps going. So i let him talk. He was making a salient point. I said, just for the record, did you have your device on you . Look over there. Look over there. He said, youre good looking. I said, did you have your device on you . He says, my device was off. I said, did you have it on you . He said, lets me tell you whats a violation of the rules. But it is interesting that they put themselves in a little bit of a box by doing that. But the bigger wrong, don, is theyre just misleading the american people. Yeah. There is no congressional precedent of how to do this. Nope. Theyre investigating now. When they have the hearings about articles of impeachment, of course it should be fully transparent. The president s legal team should be able to crossexamine. The republicans should be able to do it. Thats then, not now. Karma is a you know what because when it was going on with other things and people were saying, okay, youre setting this precedent. Wait till the future. Now with the storming of the scif, theyve set another precedent. You know, the storming of the scif, i actually was thinking about this in lemonesque fashion. Storming the scif, not talking about bill taylor, are we . Not talking about the new information about ukraine knowing about the call. There you go. Youre learning. Not fast enough. I didnt realize that till like the last two minutes of my show. There you go. I did one of these. Youre like, oh, lemons always right as usual. Thank you, chris. Never said that a day in my life. See you later. See you soon. Another big night. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. Another night of breaking news. Another night of breaking news. This is what cnn is learning right now. Rudy giuliani, remember the prosecutor rudy giuliani, the attorney rudy giuliani, the president s attorney . Looking for an attorney himself. Thats according to three sourcsourc sources. And this is why its interesting because just last week, giuliani told cnn he wouldnt be in the market for a new lawyer unless he needed one. Hmm. More on that to come. Cnn has also learned that ukraine was under pressure from the white house and giuliani earlier whole idea they didnt feel pressure . Well, thats not necessarily so according to these reports. Two weeks before he even took office, way back on may 7th, ukraines president , volodymyr zelensky, and his team knew their relationship with the u. S. Could be at stake if they didnt publicly launch an investigation of burisma. Burisma is the Ukrainian Company that had joe bidens son on its board. Well, thats according to a source who tells cnn that zelensky and his team specifically mentioned feeling pressure to open socalled corruption investigations. Lets remember, though, theres no evidence of wrongdoing by the bidens in ukraine, okay . Theres more. Were also learning more about what the pentagons ukraine expert her name is laura cooper told the House Intel Committee just today. Lawmakers who were in the room say her testimony showed that aid to ukraine was not delivered in the normal way. Not delivered in the normal way. What does that mean . But the big headline about her testimony was really how it began. Were you anywhere close to a Television Set today because cooper was left cooling her heels for five hours. Five hours. Left cooling her heels by the president s republican allies on the hill because they were resorting to brazen tactics, publicity stunts, in an attempt to please an audience of one, the one in the white house. Check this out. More than two dozen House Republicans forcing their way into a secure room. That secure room, chris and i just talked about it. Its known as a scif, where cooper had just taken her seat just this morning, storming in through three different doors, yelling in adam schiffs face. These are adults, your leaders, your lawmakers. Other democrats yelling back. A source in the room saying it was the closest thing that ive seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of congress. And the really disturbing part of all of this is that some republicans actually brought their you see them there, right, on their phones. They brought their phones into the secure facility where the Intel Committee was meeting. That is a Security Breach and a clear violation of house rules. Even more so than a violation of house rules, its a Security Breach. The Intel Committee youre not supposed to bring your device in there. And guess what . All of this was planned. One republican involved in the circus tells cnn it was on their calendar for about a week, though we didnt know it would be anything other than a Traditional Press conference until they headed to the scif. Another source saying that the president , who met with some of those republicans yesterday, had advance knowledge of what was about to go down. Like i said, audience of one. The republicans who stormed that room acting as if they had no say in the process, right . It was okay, so i always tell you dont fall for the okeydoke. It was to pretend. This is all done behind closed doors. We dont know anything about it. We have no say in this. Thats what they want to project to you, and that is absolutely false, and heres why. Because republicans who are supposed to be there, who are actually on the Intel Committee, whose business it was to be there to ask questions, they were already in the scif, and they had equal time to question cooper. So lets remember during the benghazi investigation, republicans conducted hours upon hours upon hours of interviews behind closed doors, saying, quote, that was more efficient and effective. You know how i know that . I was just talking about this with chris. Its right there on page 360 in their report, in their own report, page 360, not ac 360, but page 360 of their report. But why bother with the facts when those facts are not on your side. Facts like a federal judge today ordering the state department to release ukraine records within 30 days. Facts like one of Rudy Giulianis indicted associates today actually tying the case to the president himself with his claim that some of the evidence could be subject to executive privilege. So if it doesnt go back to the president , then why is it executive privilege . Interesting, huh . Therefore tying the case to the president. None of this is going the president s way, which is why his strategy seems to be resorting to theatrics and insults. Heres your daily tweet, one of them at least. The president tweeting that republicans who fail to support him are his words yesterday the word was what was it . Lynching . Today the phrase, i should say, human scum. Republicans who dont support him, human scum. The Vice President echoing the president s claim that the state department is caught up in the swamp. But theres no question that when President Trump said we were going to drain the swamp, that an awful lot of the swamp has been caught up in the state department bureaucracy, and were just going to keep fighting it. Yeah. I mean, come on. Just keep fighting this. Remember when thencandidate trump said this . I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody, and i wouldnt lose any voters, okay . Well, now, get this. One of his attorneys seemed to be taking that seriously, arguing in a lawsuit over new yorks subpoena for trumps tax returns that the president couldnt be criminally prosecuted even if he did shoot someone on fifth avenue. Whats your view on the fifth avenue example . Local authorities couldnt investigate . They couldnt do anything about it . I think once a president is removed from office, any local authority this is not a permanent immunity. Well, im talking about while in office. No. Thats the hypo. Nothing could be done . Thats your position . That is correct. That is correct. Think about that. Wouldnt that make the president i dont know above the law . Much more on this tonight in the show. You want to stay tuned. So with all of this, is it any surprise that some republicans are said to be fed up and tired of beingo defend this president . Sources telling cnn that some are asking, quote, how do you defend the indefensible . So the president attacks his own party, ignores the facts, and contradicts members of his own administration. Today on the middle east, handing turkeys president a big gift today by lifting sanctions and claiming that ordering u. S. Troops out of syria, troops that were protecting our isisfighting allies, the kurds, claiming that that was a big victory. Ambassador james jeffrey, the president s special envoy to syria, taking his place with the diplomats telling congress exactly what the president doesnt want to hear. We obviously had troops there for a mission. The mission was defeating isis. So if you remove those troops before that mission is complete, then you have a problem. And we do have a problem right now. Listen to what the president says about isis prisoners, though. There were a few that got out, a small number relatively speaking, and theyve been largely recaptured. Not what the ambassador says. We would say that the number is now over 100. We do not know where they are. Hmm. The president ignoring inconvenient facts. But will it work for him this time . Will his base just see it as a Campaign Promise kept . And speaking of ignoring the facts, i want you to listen to this from the president today. And were building a wall on the border of new mexico. And were building a wall in colorado. Were building a beautiful wall, a big one that really works, that you cant get over, you cant get under. Colorado . Hes building a wall in colorado. I probably dont have to tell you that colorado is not on the border. 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Closed door testimony from the pentagons ukraine expert laura cooper sidetracked for five hours when a group of republicans barged into a secure deposition room demonstrating against the impeachment investigation. Some members carried cell phones, a breach of security guidelines. A source tells cnn that President Trump had advance knowledge of the plan. Joining me now, congressman denny heck, who was in the room when his republican colleagues broke into it to disrupt that hearing. Congressman, good evening to you. Also just learning theres reporting that some of the members asked to be arrested because they wanted that optics. What do you think of what happened today, this going into the scif, this fivehour wait and on and on . As i was sitting there observing the spectacle, i was reminded of that old cliche you were taught your first year in law school. If you have facts on your side, tell them the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither, pound the table. Basically thats what they were doing was pounding the table, changing the subject, one of the four basic plays of the administration and as acolytes have because the testimony to date, and especially, for example, the Opening Statement of ambassador taylor was so unbelievably damning, they really needed to change the subject. What was you know, i have to add, i got to give them bonus points for the rank hypocrisy of it all. When you consider we were operating under the rules, the part they adopted when they were in the majority. And in fact when trey gowdy was the chair of the Oversight Committee and he held depositions on the benghazi, he threw darrell issa, a fellow republican, out of the deposition because under the house rules of deposition, members that are not of the committee are not allowed to be in the room. And, don, let us remember this. This is a collaborative effort between three committees, the Intelligence Committee, the Foreign Affairs committee, and in total, thats 122 members of the house who have a right to be in that room. So then what okay. Heres what they said, all right . You mentioned benghazi. Before i get to that, let me just ask you what was it and well get into the details. What was it like being in that because you were in there, right . Stunning and discouraging mostly because they did bring their electronics in. Okay. Thats something that we take very seriously. Are you going to do anything about that . I dont know. Okay. Look, our nations deepest secrets are contained within the walls of that bunker, and the fact of the matter is the members of the Intelligence Committee are taught first and foremost you cannot bring your electronics in here because and then they demonstrate to you all the ways in which your phone can be turned against you and used as a recording device and used as a device to collect other information. So then why the desperate tactics, then . What is to change the subject. Okay. Change the subject. They dont want us talking don, they dont want you and i talking about all the things that ambassador taylor said in his Opening Statement about how it is that the president did, in fact, pressure the president zelensky to engage in this activity, which was patently blackletter law, illegal. Let me get to this because you mentioned benghazi, and i mentioned on the record, page 360, it says the committees preference is for private interviews over public hearings. It has been questioned interviews are more efficient and effective means of discovery and allows it goes on, and it says both witnesses and members of congress conduct themselves differently in interviews than within the public glare of the hearing. It goes on to talk about neither have an incentive to play to the cameras. So thats what they said. So then whats different now . So the way that were undertaking this, as has been indicated in public, is that our staff attorneys for both sides are leading the questions. These are professional investigators and attorneys. Members are allowed at some point to ask questions. Let me make this clear. There are republicans who are on the committee who are in the room. They have equal time to ask questions. They have 50 of the time even though they do not constitute 50 of the membership of those three committees. Okay. But from the optics, you would think that this is only being conducted by democrats. Well, patently untrue. Okay. Theyre in the room, and they have been from day one, and they have had equal time from day one. And they have engaged in the questioning of the witnesses. Lets talk about what laura cooper did say when she was finally able to testify and it lasted for 3 1 2 hours. In her role as Deputy Assistant secretary of defense, she oversaw much of the aid the administration held up. I know you cant tell us specifics, but did you get clarity on whether or not the pentagon knew about the white house pressuring ukraine . Of course im not going to comment on the specifics of that. Thats why its a deposition in closed session, don. But i will say what ive said before, which is every single witness that has come before us has added to our increased clarity. Again, back to the 35 millimeter camera example or metaphor i used with you last week. Yes, the picture is clearer today than it was when we got up this morning. Your colleague, congressman mark meadows, said that laura coopers testimony conflicted with ambassador taylors. Is that true . Would you agre