Were talking about rock em sock em robots. Youre way older than me so you probably dont remember that. That is true. That was before my time. Or the hook. Pull him off stage. Give him the hook. Well, that i remember. I still fear that, by the way. You do . Let me ask you something. You can ask me whatever you want. If you and i meet on the phone and we discuss business i heard that. Its not a meeting. Unless you say its a meeting. Maybe okay come on. Come on. I just had a thought, maybe in this environment its a meeting. But a phone call is not necessarily a meeting. Its a conversation. When you say meet, that means what . You meet. Semantics. Either youve been talking with them about this same problem or you havent. And were in this same pickle. The fed says the states should do testing. The testing in the states. They say they cant get up to capacity. Then they have a meeting. They say they make progress and were still not ready anywhere. I just dont get it. I dont get why we cant get on the same page. You think im going to disagree with the governor right now . Im sorry. You really fell on that one. Boy, oh, boy. I hope it works out well for you. Thats not gonna happen right now. Im glad youre doing well. I am thinking about you know who, the little one. Yeah, hes okay. Hes got the same deal is that cristina had. They do better than i do. At night its hard. The sinus pressure. It works its way through families all the time. Hopefully we get lucky, the other two dont get it. One day at a time. Yeah. I count get up later than the other half and im like, okay, how long before i get the did you talk to chris yet . Some days its 20 minutes, some days its, like, six minutes, you know . So today it took longer. But anyway, be well. Go it to run. You be well. I love you. Have a great night. Thank you. That goes double for you. Thank you very much, sir. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. It involves people, sadly, and death because there are more than 846,000 cases of coronavirus in this country, more than 46,000 americans dead. They have died. And there is news tonight about the director of a key federal Agency Working on a Coronavirus Vaccine who says that he was dismissed from his post and he was dismissed in retaliation, he says, for raising questions about hydroxychloroquine. You know, thats the drug that the president has been touting, praising for months, telling sick americans, what have you got to lose, he says. Dr. Rick bright, thats his name, says hes going to file a whistleblower complaint in a statement that goes on to say this. He says, i am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus science not politics or cronyism has to lead the way. In the middle of a deadly Public Health emergency, one that kills more and more americans every day, our leaders are sidelining science. The science that our lives depend on right now. And before we could even absorb that development today, a top scientist saying the administration forced him out during a deadly pandemic for advocating a science approach. Well, that came another example. The cdc director robbert redfied forced to fall on his sword tonight after his warning to the Washington Post warning that a second wave of the coronavirus coming at the same time as the flu could be more difficult and more complicated. Forced to do that, fall on his sword, with a grim president standing by. Thank you, mr. President. I really do think its important to clarify this as we build the confidence of the american people. When i commented yesterday that there was a possibility of the fall winter next fall and winter it could be more difficult difficult, more complicated when we had two respiratory illnesses circulating at the same time, influenza and the coronavirus 19, but i think its really important to emphasize what i didnt say. I didnt say that this was going to be worse i said it was going to be more more difficult and potentially complicated because well have flu and coronavirus circulate at the same time. Okay. So the president claiming dr. Redfield was misquoted. He wasnt. Look at your screen. He wasnt misquoted. All right . Redfield himself said that he was accurately quoted. That quote that i just read was accurate, right, sir . Thats the quote from the Washington Post. You were accurately quoted, correct . Im accurately quoted in the Washington Post. As difficult, but the headline okay. And then the president started jumping in and saying, you know, back and forth back and forth back and forth, quit while youre, i guess, ahead, but im not sure. So heres what the Washington Post said, okay . This is the Washington Post. There is a possibility that the assault look at the quote. The possibility the assault the virus on our nation next winter will actually be more difficult than the one we just went through. And when when ive said this to others, they kind of put their head back. They dont understand what i mean. Were going to have the flu epidemic and the coronavirus epidemic at the same time. Sounds pretty simple. Thats what he said. He said what he said. A source telling cnn other members of the task force shared dr. Redfields concerns. And listen to what the president says tonight about dr. Rick bright, okay, who says that he was dismissed from his post for raising questions about hydroxychloroquine. I want to ask you about rick bright, hes the head of the federal agency in charge of getting a vaccine out to americans once its ready. He says he has been pushed out of his job because he raised questions about hydroxychloroquine and some of your directives on that. Was he pushed out of his job. I never heard of him. You just mentioned his job. I never heard of him. When did this happen . It happened today. I never heard of him. The guy says he was pushed out of the job, maybe he was, maybe he wasnt. Youd have to hear the other side. I dont know who he is. Never heard of him. Dont know who he is. Nothing to see here. Never heard of the official who questioned the unproven drug the president has been touting. But wait a minute. The president said he never heard of the guy who was heading up the search for a vaccine, the guy looking for the only thing that can end this nightmare pandemic . Wouldnt you expect the president to have some idea who that person is . I mean, at least some idea. But all this sounds a lot like what the president said last night when he claimed not to know anything about the study that found the drug not only had no benefit, it increased death rates. That as researchers in new york have submitted preliminarily results to the Health Department of whats being described as the largest study so far of hydroxychloroquine. The results havent been released, and the Health Department didnt respond when cnn asked when it plans to release them. And then theres dr. Deborah birx, who as i said last night, i respect a great deal, especially for her work on hiv aids, but she seems to have really downed a whole lot of the koolaid. Failing last night to defend the guidelines that she wrote. Guidelines georgia is just ignoring in planning to reopen businesses like barber shops, nail salons and tattoo parlors this friday. I believe people in atlanta would understand that if their cases are not going down, that they need to continue to do everything that we said, social distancing, washing your hands, wearing a mask in public. So if theres a way that people can social distance and do those things then they can do those things. I dont know how, but people are very creative. So im not going to prejudge. Shes not going to prejudge when a state ignores the guidelines, lets be honest, guidelines that she put forth. And remember when dr. Anthony fauci was a fixture at most Coronavirus Task force briefings . Remember that . Well, he disappeared for days. A source telling cnn that he now waits to see if white house officials will call him down to the west wing. Tonight after five days they apparently did. There will be coronavirus in the fall. If we do, which we wont, but lets take an imaginary period. Okay, coronavirus, were not going to do anything about it. It will take off. Thats what viruses do. Its not going to happen. Were going to respond to it to not allow it to do that. Good to see him, right . Dr. Fauci saying it plainly, there will be coronavirus in the fall. Thats what the science tells him. But it may not be what the president wanted to hear. Lets see if he gets a call for tomorrows briefing. The fact is scientists have been sidelined in this crisis over and over. Theres the cdcs Nancy Messier who an feeb 25th warned about the possibility of a pandemic and said Community Spread of the virus was likely, and she was right. Were learning today that the first death from the coronavirus was on february 6th. A california woman who had no history of recent travel overseas. But when dr. Messier issued that warning, the president was furious and threatened to fire her. Shes been sidelined ever since. Scientists sidelined when they speak scientific truth to power. Forced to fall on their own swords. Facts questioned and buried. This is the kind of thing that happened in china, where doctors were fired for sounding the alarm about a virus that has killed more than 183,000 people worldwide. This disregard for science, for the facts, comes from the top, but it is spreading and putting americans at risk. Georgias governor ignoring Administration Guidelines and insisting that hell open businesses like barber shops, nail salons, tattoo parlors on friday. Ignoring modelling used by the white house that says his state should not reopen until june 19th. Just yesterday the president said this. So, hes a very capable man. He knows what hes doing. Hes done a very good job as governor of georgia, and, by the way, and south carolina. Governor mcmaster also. So you have two very capable people. Were going to find out very capable . Tonight he is changing his tune. I told the governor of georgia, brian kemp, that i disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of georgia. So, which is it . Strongly disagree or he knows what hes doing . Or is this just another attempt to have it both ways or push blame on to the states if there is trouble . And then there is the mayor of las vegas. Did you see this . Calling for the city, including casinos on the strip, to be reopened while refusing to even consider providing guidelines for how to do that safely. If you havent seen it, youve got to hear this exchange with anderson. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people coming there in casinos, smoking, drinking, touching slot machines, breathing circulated air and then returning home to states around america and countries around the world, doesnt that sound like a virus petri dish . I mean, how is that safe . No, what it sounds like is youre being an alarmist. Im not. Ive lived a long life. I grew up in the heart of manhattan. I know what its like to be in subways and busses and crammed into elevators. Im being an alarmist . I think you are by saying what you just said. So you dont believe there should by any social distancing . Of course i believe there should be. Of course. Im a rational how do you do that at a casino . Thats up to them to figure out. I dont own a casino. I dont know anything about building a casino. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. The mayor. Its outrageous. Calling for casinos to reopen even though she doesnt have the authority to make that happen. All the while refusing to do anything to keep people safe. I dont know, she says. This is the time to put the facts first. We need to know the facts to protect ourselves, our loved ones, our neighbors, our coworkers. Is this where we are now . Where we ignore the science, we push it aside for politics and feelings . What is the story behind the dismissal of this top official working on vaccines and will this slow the search for the one thing that can stop the coronavirus . Were going to discuss. Kaitlan collins is here as well as dr. Harvey feinberg. That next. Since 1926, nationwide has been on your side. Weve been there in person, during trying times. Today, being on your side means staying home. Nationwide office of customer advocacy. 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Were seeing the president either contradict or having some sort of conflict with many of his advisers on the science, and were seeing it happen live, at least we saw it today, and its happening on a number of levels. Yeah, don, weve seen the doctors say the president has always taken our advice that weve given to him about how to proceed, but at times we see the president contradict them in real time, as we did today where the president wanted the cdc director to come out and clarify a comment he made, though he didnt clarify it, he just reaffirmed that, yes, that was the comment that he had actually given to the Washington Post. He was adding, you know, some context around it, but he was repeated what he had already said. Meanwhile, the president was saying that he didnt know if the coronavirus outbreak would have a second wave later this year. When you saw dr. Fauci say, no, we do fully expect that to happen and were preparing as such. Which is what weve heard from people like dr. Birx and others. This is something thats happened time and time again at these briefings, where often youll see the doctor weighing in on a subject and then the president comes back later, he tries to offer a statement that is a bit more vague about what exactly the future could look like when the scientists are saying, no, weve already looked at the data, we have a pretty good idea this is likely whats going to happen and this is the direction were leaning in. When often you see the president try to really couch those statements. Yeah, i kept wondering its like, what are they arguing about . Because the guy is actually saying hes contradicting you and you keep arguing and making the point for him. It was really today was really bizarre, kaitlan. I mean, ive got it was an unraveling in the beginning of that press conference. Dr. Feinberg, let me bring you in. You hear dr. Fauci saying the country will have coronavirus in the fall. Dr. Redfield is saying it could be more difficult, which is what the quote everyone is saying, theyre quoting the quote. Meanwhile, heres the president. Watch this. It is estimated it might not come back at all, jeff. Hes talking about a worstcase scenario where you have a big flu and some corona. If it comes back its not going to come back, and ive spoken to ten people, its not going to be like it was. Also we have much better containment now. Before nobody knew about it. Nobody knew anything about it. We understand it now if we have pockets, a Little Pocket here or there, were going to have it put out and its going to go out fast. Were going for be watching for it. Its all possible. Its also possible it doesnt come back at all. Okay. So, doctor, lets just be clear. The scientists are saying we will have it. Dr. Fauci is saying we will have it. The president is saying we might not. So how can he say that . They can both say it, don, because neither one of them is actually putting a probability on their statements. The doctors are talking about whats probable. They think that its more than likely, greater than 50 , that were going to see coronavirus of what scale and severity, thats another debatable point, but coronavirus is not going to disappear entirely. When the president said its possible that were not going to have a major outbreak in the fall, maybe some of his advisers are telling him something thats less than 1 chance, but still in the realm of what is remotely possible. But, doctor, let me ask you no, hes saying dr. Fauci is saying we are going to have it. That was his sound bite. Yeah. The president is saying it might not come back. Theyre not saying probably, theyre saying dr. Fauci is saying were going to have it. The president is saying it might not come back. Theyre not saying maybe the president is saying it might not, but well, i would probe both of them, actually, because i dont think dr. Fauci if pushed would say hes 100 certain. He would say its more likely, maybe 80 , 90 . Id like to hear what exactly he would say. So the difference here is our imperfect language about expressing uncertainty about events in the future. The fact of the matter is we should prepare as if its going to be coming back and as if its going to be severe because that is the prudent thing to do. So when dr. Fauci advises, it is goi going to come back, hes really telling you you should prepare as if it is going to be here because thin it will be taken seriously. Thank you, doctor, for clarifying. Kaitlan, i want you to tell me about your reporting of the director of the off