Heres one part. The editor in chief writes, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence. It will crash down on the reputation of evangelical collision and it will come crashing down on a nation. Theres a group of conservatives that would give a big amen to that. They just formed a superpac to help defeat the president. Welcome to primetime. Thanks, chris. Now, lets talk about what matters. You look a little beat up. I dont want you to think it was the trul supporters. Give people the Public Service announcement. What did you learn . Get checked for skin cancer, folks. When they get it early, its entirely treatable. Thank god you got checked, youre doing the right thing. I wish you well going forward. I wish you well for your family and the holy days and a merry christmas. And to yours. Thank. You got no case. Evangelicals, hell get three quarters of their votes. They want the judges. They wont explain why. Well have a representative of the community to make the case. There are not enough of you. You and i have never seen a republican president as popular in party as this. Well, partly because, chris, the party has shrunk a good bit butt folks still with him are still with him hard. The fact of the matter is evangelicals were a significant part of Donald Trumps support in the 2016 election. They have been very happy with the worldly outcomes he has provided them because they feel very aggrieved by a lot. Things in society and they felt like they had to make a deal with the devil in order to accomplish things they wanted in terms of selecting judges that would rule as they chose and selecting, you know, a president who would be very, you know, aligned with them in some of their policy outth that they wanted. The praesz argesidents argu you dont like how i talk, who i am. Thats why people who feel disaffected and forgotten put me in there and im doing exactly what i said i would. Enough with your style point and insider games, this is the new party, thats why you just saw what happened in impeachment lock step, baby. Chris, one of the things about donald trump is that he has appealed to a certain segment of the republican demo that has found itself falling in love with statism and mild authoritarianism, maybe not so mild in the future that donald trump represents. He does not represent what the traditional conservative values in this country were, which are things like limited government and the rule of law and personal dignity and responsibility and honesty and integrity. Hes the opposite of almost all of those things in many, many meaningful ways. Look, im not denying the power trump has over the republican base, but as a conservative, there are still folks out there in the world who are going to call b. S. On a lot of it because a lot of it is not, you know, fundamentally conservative in any way. And some of the policy outcomes that he thinks hes going to achieve in terms of executive orders, those things are ephemeral. Those things can be reversed in a hot second. Also, at some point when theres a democratic president again, theyre going to say, well, look, trump took all these executive actions, trump took all these things outside the bounds we normally used to think of the presidency containing so i feel free to do that as well. I think its a cycle that does not end well for this country. So you have significant disagreements with the president , but the question that becomes whats the point of the super pack, if you beat hill, you get a democrat, youre a conservative theoretically, you should have bigger problems with them than you do with him. The problem is, chris, that donald trump is a fatal and consequenkon consequential moment not just for the party but for the public. We are seeing the rule of law burned to the ground by this white house and president. This is not good for the nation no matter what your ideological preferences are. The fact of the matter is donald trump i believe represents a much greater thread to this countrys future than the temporary inconvenience with somebody with whom i have idea lodge cgical differences. It is a threat to this country where the imagery, scary socialist in the Democratic Party, they often end up being if barack obama was the socialist mastermind, he was terrible at the job. He turned out to be a centrist, technic technocratic democrat. You still have the problem that your elected leadership disagrees with you and theres another man who disagrees with you, whom we both know and respect, even though he seems to really not like me right now, Rudy Giuliani. Rudy giuliani has a nose for b. S. We both knew him, me growing up most of my life as a guy who grew up hating how do you explain his conversion . Someday were going to tease that ball of yarn out one day and figure out what it is but the Rudy Giuliani that is engamged wiengam engaged with the things hes involved with now in ukraine and all those ololigarchs, those ar the guys rudy would have been putting in jail 30 years ago. I think it has something to do with that donald trump corrupts everybody is in his orbit. Rudy has decided his last swan song will not be the man who turned the city around in the 90s but rudys errand boy who are trying to retake ukraine for vladimir putin. I appreciate you being with me, especially on a friday night. Sure. Why trump . Im blessed, i got people all across the political spectrum close to me and i talk to all the tile. We were all dead wrong about this mans celebrity, about his draw, about his ability to identify a group that he really shares nothing in common with. Why has he been able to marshal the strength of the disaffected, former parts of the democratic working class base and have them so strongly adhere and forgive behavior that was a death sentence for any other republican or democrat . I think its a combination of three major factors, chris. The first factor was that Hillary Clinton was this builtin character that for 30 years my party had demonized in ways that almost never existed in any other political space. The second was that an awful lot of people believed in the television character they saw in the Reality Tv Show for 15 years as donald trump as a competent leader and a manager and a smart guy and a considered thinking and negotiator. They believed what they saw on television. The third major factor is that the other network has a very strong normative behavioral molding factor in those people that supported trum. That network put itself all in for trump and for this sort of nationalist populism that bannon and trump engineered. Those three factors built this illusion of who donald trump was on the campaign trail. Theres been a wide differential between that image that we saw and the actual governance of this president. Well, there is a belief in him that very much is akin to faith. Thats why this whole religious point of consternation and pivot is so interesting. Rick, heal quickly, god bless. Thank you for being on the show. Ill speak to you soon. Merry christmas. This is interesting, having this christian magazine come out and say these things about the president. One, even the Christian Conservatives in the evangelical movement usually stay out of politics. Thats changed. Lets test the other side. A Christian Conservative says, no, you got it wrong. The president is the choice for followers of christ. Why . Lets have the discussion next. All our whiskies are aged, blended and aged again. Its the reason our whisky is so extraordinarily smooth. Dewars. Double aged for extra smoothness. 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We know what he does. He lashed out at the evangelical publication that says his immorality is too much for hill. Th him. In defense of himself the president said no president has ever done what i have done for evangelicals or to religion itself. What does that mean . Why do people who used to say Character Counts in politics, why do they back this president . Before we get started, the best for christmas, best for the holy days for you and your family. Im not a jew but thank you. Merry christmas. Were new yorkers so were culturally jewish, born in queens, grew up in queens. But right now were talking about evangelical christians so whats your question, chris . I think if we went down the list of things, if i said would you say this about someone who just passed away, youd say, no, im not saying that. Correct, correct. But you back somebody as a person of faith who says all of them. Yeah. Well, its like my pilot has tattooed and hes on his fourth wife but hes an amazing pilot. I would prefer a pilot who has been married for 30 years to the same woman. Sometimes things are complicated and i think that in this day and age, weve had such a dramatic choice. I mean, look, the day Hillary Clinton was chosen as the standard bearer for the party and trump was chosen, most people had a tough choice. It was not, you know, it was not Ronald Reagan and mondale or whatever it was. It was a tough choice for everybody. So you had to think hard about what matters. And i think that given the track record of Hillary Clinton, a lot of people, like myself, were scared to death at the thought of a clinton presidency. Why . I think something happened to the Democratic Party over the last 30 years. Its not the party that we grew up with, its not the party that it was in fdrs day. It has gone so far left that in a way, if you want somebody who lets say respects the constitution and is going to appoint originalist judges, not conservative, originalist ju ii justices who will call balls and strikes, your only hope is to have its a serious issue. It is serious issue. You want what you wanted. Youre not better than anybody else. You know youre a sinner and youre not better than anybody else. Thats not the way you guys played it. You played it Character Counts. When bill clinton was impeached, you all wrote letters, forget about crime, this is about morality. This president passes none of those tests. So if those tests dont matter anymore, its just getting your judges and political positions you might as well be like the deejays of america, they have their own wants. If you make it that transactional, fundamentally youre making a mistake. Any time anyone votes for anyone, there are aspects to it that are like that. We mostly vote selfinterest. But somebody really cares about america doesnt just vote selfinterest. He votes for whats good for america. So when you care about religious liberty, you can say i care about myself, i care about my religious liberty or you can say, no, i care about the concept of religion liberty and i care about everyones religious liberty. You begin to lose all your liberty why do we not prize religion liberty, unless you define that as your ability to exclude other people because you ever dont like them . Now thats sofestory. Its not sofestory. Youre smarter than that. Religion liberty meant im a christian, i dont want to bake your cake, i dont want to look at you, i dont want to sell to you. Im a jew and someone comes in and says bake the swastika cake, now will the American Government force the jew to bake the swastika cake . Will the Government Force the jew to bake that cake . We all know the government will say you know what you should have the right to get any cake are you going to go there . It was a terrible example. It was a terrible example. New york the example is nazis and gay people. If you ever want to win an argument, you can keep going there. Im telling you thats absolutely ridiculous. You brought it up, be honehonest. Lets take a better example. How about that . It doesnt matter. If you think of it this way, in america, when somebody comes and asking you to do something that violates your conscience, okay, the reason i used the swastikas and the jews, we dont care that the baker says im here for everybody, we would say if somebody brings in something offensive to, you have the right in america to say, im sorry, go to the next baker. What if its black people, greek people, italian people . Weve been through this. In the civil rights act, we said you cant say to somebody because of the color of your screen or your creed or orientation. But the point is if somebody comes in, lets say a muslim baker and says i want you to bake a cake, you know, celebrating a zionist organization. We would say in america that government should not force the muslim baker to bake a cake celebrating zionism. Thats because of american principles called religious liberty and liberty in general. Let me make it easy for you. I give you the point, okay . Its not about your rights. Its about what is right and wrong and that is a different set of criteria that people of faith ascribe to. Its not what the law insists on. You have a different set of standards. Correct. And i dont think this president and honestly i dont think you think this president checks any of the boxes that matter to you in an individual do you think catholics who believe abortion is wrong is a horrible sin that is the teaching of the church. Right. Do you this i that catholics could ever vote for a proabortion candidate . Would they be violating their faith . No. Why . Because they live in a Secular Society and the law respects the choice of people to have reproductive rights. So that is your youre talking reproductive rights, which is also sofestory. Eric, to be accurate, you are antichoice. You think people should not have a choice of what to do with their body. The antimurdering the unborn. We say its legal now as soon as they are identified as people, sngs that eight months along did. No, not eight months along. Nowhere you happen to be related to someone who took a stand on this. All they did was codify roe v. Wa wade. Why do that . But i just told you its wrong. Forget about europe. Ill bet you anything you want anywhere you want that all new york did was codify roe v. Wade. Why lie about it . After 12 weeks in the womb, were not going to kill that because we believe its a human being. They do the reself. In america when we say 20 weeks or 24 weeks, people freak out and say, no, no, we want to be able to take the life of a child. You have a viability test. We went through this. Did we . Thats roe v. Wade. Wheers you should push for. Tell me. We need more scientific veech about when life begins. Theres too much of a range. Different religions have different you think a 5monthold fetus im not a scientist. That is like when because my wife and i go to gettal ultima tround and there are a lot of candidates to believe what you believe on reproductive rights. Why get behind a man who makes a mockery of your faift. Most people dont think hes makes a mockery of our faith. Does he most people who are evangelicals like you im not an evangelical. Youre a catholic. Does he make a mockery of the humanantory. If intentionally unkind, he is mean to opponents and he doesnt honor his oath. These are matter to us, dont think . Ncht we never got to marks editorial in. No, i wanted here because i dont understand how people who believe what you believe get behind somebody who does not, unless youre just going to say its transactional. Wait a minute. When in the world have ivan yell calls ever supported someone just because he ticks off the boxes . You used to say Character Counts youre saying every evangelical christian has character . No. I dont would evangelical christians need to count character with regard to our own faith . Because thats what youre about. Your faith is about character and adherence and christ message. So i wouldnt vote for a you . Why cant you . Youre the one who is saying i wouldnt vote for. Of course i would vote. According to you . Do you know anybody who has sex outside of marriage . Lets say everybody doeslets say everybody does in. So that used to be enough. But the Catholic Church doesnt say that . Yes, them, too. And ive had that goo i want to wish you the best youre always welcome. 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