Theyre in an uproar about this, they didnt intercede either. And my clients down where he cant really see. Hold on, hold on. Counselor, theres a duty to intervene. And if an officer is doing something thats dangerous to a civilian, you have a duty to intervene. He did not intervene. Just to be very clear here, civilians did come, okay . They called on police to stop hurting floyd. Officers pushed one away. But be very clear, it is always the officer who has a duty to stop, harm, even at the hands or knee of another officer. And none of those present did their duty in that regard. Thats not coming from me, that is coming from their chief. I helped craft the duty to intervene in 2016. It does not signify if you have two days on or 20 years on. We expect you to whether its verbally or physically to call for help and to intervene. Mr. Floyd at the very least was expecting that. George floyds brother appeared before congress to create a new expectation at least after a killing like this, that pain, like what this family feels will force change. Im tired. Im tired of pain, pain you feel when you watch Something Like that, when you watch your big brother, who you looked up to for your whole life die, die begging for his mom. Im here to ask you to make it stop. Stop the pain. The floyds are, of course, in profound pain and they are not the first and likely will not be the last. Our first guest also testified at that house judiciary hearing, convenient eta gupta. The president of the Leadership Conference on civil and human rights, shes also director of the aclu. Good to be here. Im not trying to be cynical, but there will be more george floyds. There have been many before, many after. And the question becomes why has change been so difficult. Youve spent a lot of time on the governments side, the ngo side, the legal side, why . Well, look, i think that i was at the department of justice, i went in to head up president obamas Civil Rights Division two months after Michael Brown had been killed in ferguson. And at that time, black lives matter, the movement for black vivs was gain energy and focusing the country on a whole host of policing issues. President obama started the look into policing in 2015, and there were a lot of strides that were made, but it was not enough. There was a lot of backsliding in this administration along the federal efforts to promote best practices, to force the Civil Rights Divisions pattern and practice investigations were halted. Why . Help us understand past the conclusion, which is, nothing got done, its hard to understand why, when it seems to so obvious to sew many people. We had former commissioner ramsey on the show many times, he was on obamas council. He said their report was thrown in the garbage and it didnt amount to anything. Today you had the president s economic adviser saying there is no systemic racism in america. Clearly the obstacles to change here have been difficult to sur mount. Why do you think that is . I cant explain to you why anyone right now could say that systemic racism doesnt exist in america. I dont know what to do with folks who are continuing to talk like that, but what i can say is that there has been change around Police Departments werent talking about deescalation. They werent talking about use of force. I was listening to Anderson Cooper with chief Scott Thompson in camden, who was one of the pioneers in 2015, forcing a National Conversation around what Police Departments were doing using force, not deescalating, approaching scenes with a warrior mentality. The problem is, i think that we have to admit this, this is whats going to make this different. Police reform alone, and all of the efforts that have been engaged, and im putting aside the trump administrations total abdication of this work, i think theres 18,000 Police Departments in this country. Policing is inherently local. There are things that the federal government can do to support and push, and the Justice Department has a big role and it has not been acting to use that role at this time. What i think is really different about this moment is when i was in the protests in washington, d. C. , on saturday. Legions of people in the street, multiracial, all exclaiming black lives matter, thats a different cultural experience than what we were experiencing in 2015 when that phrase alone was considered controversial. And you now have people saying, it is not enough to do police reform. Yes, we have to have Police Accountability. We have to work on all of the things that are in the justice and policing act that i was testifying for today. But beyond that, weve got to actually have a big reckoning with the incredible criminalization. Criminalization of the homelessness of the mental health, School Discipline that is infusing and so deeply invested in certain communities in this country. Mainly black, mainly of color. And coupled with the systematic disinvestment from health care, schools, jobs, public education. When i would open up investigations in the Justice Department for policing issues, policing issues were often the tip of the speer around major growth disinvestment, that our leaders had made to adopt a criminalization model that increased Police Resident contact in a way that just doesnt exist in affluent communities. That is true. We have to have this conversation. Thats why things havent changed. Your description of the prescription of change is exactly why you havent had change. A lot of what youre asking for today at the hearing sounds like the commission in 1967, which is that poverty is the poison. If you look at poverty in white communities, you see the same problem, but theyre magnified in minority communities. Having policing, you have so many interactions in these minority communities. You have more crime because you have more poverty. I wonder if youre right that this time is different. You have a different coalition of the willing coming. Well see in november, if people arent voted in on the basis of what theyll say theyll do on this, i think that the question of whether or not things change becomes harder to answer. Well, i think thats actually thats totally right, im not going to let congress off the hook right now. Theres a moment, and youre seeing conversations in minneapolis, all over the country that are local conversations about budgets budget the are moral documents, they express a set of priorities. Thats local. Thats local. Congress now, the reason i was testifying is that two weeks ago, the Leadership Conference, Big Coalition presented congress with a Police Accountability framework with eight specific proposals. There are things that should be so basic, why dont we have a national use of force standard . Why isnt there a ban on choke holds . These are some of the things were asking for, were asking for a National Police misconduct you think with the senate in control of trump they wont even talk about his tweets he wont legitimize the pain of this family as symptomatic of injustice that is systemic in this country, and you think the senate that is under his thumb is going to pass anything like that . I am hardly pollyanna or naive about what were facing in the senate. This is a moral issue. I know all too well that he is sitting atop a bunch of bills that frankly are stalling the business of the american people. On this, i will say that we i am not going to let congress off the hook or Mitch Mcconnell off the hook and none of us should. He should have to watch that video of george floyd with Derek Chauvins knee on his neck for over 8 40 and look at the American Public in the eye and say, yeah, im not going to do anything. Hes going to say, its a state issue, it was a one off, its terrible. The system works, hes getting prosecuted. Lets see what happens. I dont think hes going to do that. Hes going to try to pull some kind of mele mouthed proposal, maybe something on data, maybe something on training and say, okay, im getting something passed, there, i did the business. That is not going to be the answer. The justice and policing act that was proposed by members of the house and of the senate is a really reasonable, really important set of proposals. I read you a couple creating the national use of force standard. Banning choke holds, profiling, establishing a National Police misconduct registry, so officers cant go from one department to another. We need to expand the Justice Departments jurisdiction to prosecute Police Officers for misconduct. It is a too high bar. This law does that, prohibiting no knock warrants for drug offenses. Brianna taylor was killed on a no knock warrant. There are so many incident. It is time for a national ban. And qualified immunity. Qualified immunity is a Court Created doctrine that has gutted the ability of people to have any kind of accountability in our courts, because its created a total shield for Police Officers, and that creates impunity in and of itself. And ending the transfer of military equipment. So we dont see what we saw in the streets in d. C. Last week, we have the military coming in to take over and with this we saw this after ferguson. These are eight really significant proposals, but ones that even with this koeng with Mitch Mcconnell, given that was a moral issue, he should have been in that room today. I hope he meets with filinese floyd, his testimony was powerful. George floyd has changed this world, but it will only amount to something if Congress Takes action and does something meaningful and substantial. Im no cynic, i come from a family of politicians. Politicians act out of a fear of consequence more than they do out of good conscience. If you do not show this country has put together a coalition of the willing that goes just beyond minorities, they will never do anything. Im not being a cynic, im being a realist. But veneta, i have to go. I agree with your suggestions. Ive been doing this work for too long to be naive about this, but i will say look at the washington post, the polling today. I know, but polling is not voting. I get it, attitudes are changing. If you cant say right now with a straight face that black lives matter. Theyre just asking to matter. Theyre not asking to matter more than you, or more than me or more than anybody else, they just want to matter, they want to be seen and heard and felt. It is a basic bottom standard were talking about. Im sure the polls will reflect that, it will move in that direction. Will it become purposeful within our power structure . Thats about fear of consequence. I got to jump. We have to promise each other to keep talking about it, because time i would love to. Will reduce the emotion and increase the urgency for action. I will not leave it alone. I pronls you that. I want to see change, i know the polls are showing that more of you and i, we get, the key is the we. If you dont have those in power reflected. It wont happen. Another thing for us to take on is a slice of reality. Summer gatheringings . Reopenings . Protests . They all increase the chance of more coronavirus cases in america. 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And all of the models, all of the data suggests that things are going to get worse, were going to have increases, even if we assume its going to be flat all summer, that nothing is going to get worse, were going to stay flat all summer. Even if we pick that low number of 800 a day. Thats 25,000 a month. In 3 1 2 months were going to have another 87,000 people, and we will hit 200,000 sometime in september. But its getting better, thats what heres the push back, numbers are are going down, new yorks doing better, the states going up, they dont have a lot of cases, so we dont have the same kinds of problems we did in the beginning. Youre trying to scare us into staying home. Im dumping you in with the rest of them. You want to keep us at home and scared until the election. I dont want people to stay home, thats not what im trying to do. Lets be clear where the country is. New jersey, new york, connecticut, massachusetts are coming down. Arizona, florida, texas, the carolinas are going up, and the country is pretty flat. And im not trying to scare people to stay at home, what i want is for people to wear masks, i want them to do social distancing. What i want, what ive always wanted was for us to ramp up a testing and tracing infrastructure, so we could get back outside safely and suppress the virus. Were not doing that. Were going to have another 25,000 deaths a month until september, and then it will keep going. Its not going to magically disappear then. Weve got to turn this around, this is not the future i want. A data point that is interesting for people to understand. Is hospitalizations. The people operating a camera, were in these flash cameras, i move around way too much for an anchor. Hospitalizations matter, why . You know youre dealing with really sick people, okay . Its not people who say theyre sick. Theyre asymptomatic, hospitalizations since memorial day, in at least a dozen states moving up. Some people will say, you know, a dozen out of 50, not so bad, how do you see it . Hospitalizations are an important measure, some people have said well, youre seeing more cases because were doing more testing. We are doing a little more testing are thats true, hospitalizations are not from testing, hospitalizations are from people getting sick, the fact that theyve gone up so much in 12 it is as in the last couple weeks. Summer was supposed to be our better months, warmer weather, people outside, a little less transmission. This is not the time i was expecting a lot more cases. Were seeing a lot more cases, especially in states like arizona, where the numbers look really scary. I was thinking there would be more cases. You have more people doing more things, so even if theyre not locked in buildings together, school, workplaces, et cetera. I thought that wed see this, you have more reopenings, less people doing restrictions. Masks are helpful, but theyre not a complete prophylactirophy. I did expect some, but the early data from georgia was that you could open up and be outside and its not too bad. Thats what we saw in georgia, i was hopeful that maybe the summer months would give us more of a break, i think i may have been too optimistic on that, you may have been right, thats what the data suggests so far, well see what the next few weeks bring, anyone whos expecting a dramatic decrease in cases is almost surely engaging in wishful thinking, if it stays just flat over the next three months, were going to hit 200,000 deaths sometime in september. And that is just awful. Now, the last word is the one were going to have to watch most carefully. Awful is subjective to how people feel in terms of perspective on the number. The concern for me has been all along, people will get fatigue on their fear. And 200,000 people dead wont mean what it did when we were at 115 people. And 1,000, 2,000, 5,000, people were scared, were all going to die, were all going to get sick. They dont feel that any more, so much so that theyll subscribe to political fantasy of this being a concoction of agendas. I wonder if people will care about the numbers. The exfactor is, what does it mean for kids and the vulnerable in schools in the fall. If that changes the dynamic can change. We will stay on it, i will need you to do that, thank you for being with me tonight. Scary prediction, i hope youre wrong, but i hope youre wrong because we do the right thing, be well my brother. Guess what the president has planned next week, apropos of exactly what we were talking about. His first maga rally since this virus exploded. Guess where he wants to have them . In states where covid cases are spiking especially. Is that a coincidence . Well, hes certainly not about to let a pandemic get in the way of his reelection bid, right . Hes very worried, people keep saying hes down in the polls, so much so, that he has his campaign threatening our network with legal action to remove one of our polls because he doesnt like the numbers. You know why im smiling, because thats ridiculous. Not in america yet. We have different needs. Y. But one thing we share is wanting to make our lives the best they