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We got david here with elaina and sabrina. The idea of its got to be one or two things. Either you want somebody who can go toe to toe with donald trump, whatever that means, or you want to return to normal. Or do you think its those two interests . You know, twitter aint the Democratic Party. These farleft voices that are amplified, 80 plus identifies themselves as center left. I think the party recognizes this is is not about going big in the sense of the whole map. Its about where could you win that clinton couldnt . That is a part of the fight about who can take it to trump. Thats true. But theres too much activism on the left to say it cant just be about trump. We have to tfigure out who we are. Thats the shot to the future. Thats what Barry Goldwater talked about in 1964. He knew he didnt have a shot to win but hes like, conservatives, grow up, we got to get our act together. It took until 1980 before it happened. I think progressives are making the argument that thats how we actually change things is find our voice. Theres a lot of agreement on that stage tonight. A lot of that agreement is about cementing what that progressive path is. I do love that goldwater analogy that he lost in 64 and took until reagan for his ideology to be embodied within the oval office. I think there are large portion of americans right now who are so exhausted by this presidency that they dont want to wait, you know, 10, 15 years, however long it is, for the platonic ideal of progressivism to materialize and take the oval office. You know, its why i do think that senator michael bennet, he didnt make the stage tonight but did have a message, like, a month ago and said, i kind of want to make america boring again, i promise if you elect me, you will not hear about me for two weeks at a time, what im doing, what im tweeting, who im talking to. I do think there are people that he can resonate with in this country. Thats what i think joe biden succeeds in communicating. That he might help make america boring again. Whats the difference between goldwater and reagan, to your point, and thank you for setting the table with that, reagan did, to use your word, to use your idea, embody it, made you feel it. My father, wherever he is right now, hes hating that im talking about reagan that way because he didnt like the policies. He thought it was a tale of two cities that he was portraying. Rich versus poor. But he made people feel that he believed in the country and he connected with their needs and wants. Thats the Democratic Task as well. Theres been a lot of focus tonight on the top three. Joe biden, Elizabeth Warren, and bernie sanders. Which reinforces that perhaps this debate didnt do a lot to change the status quo but those three also really embody both the ideological divide within the party as well as the conflict between whether or not you want to start a movement, whether or not this is a could push through in the next five, six months . There are a lot of peoples youve seen Kamala Harris you think shes going to come back . I think its possible. So early. So much time until voters go to the polls. Beto orourke had a strong night. You think about it, for a lot of the candidates its about making the next die baebate stage. You have a few hundred days before voting. Sabrina, youre exactly right. What happens . Who wins iowa, lets say its now biden. Lets say its a whole new narrative. Lets be honest about ourselves. What we want is new narratives. Iowa happens, youre going to have a new story. Then quhoyoure going to go to next state, next state. You pull off a win, youre second or third, Kamala Harris is second or third in one of the first couple races, here she comes. Youre right, this matters but doesnt matter as much as that will. Well, thats right. We also are going to start dissecting voting groups and whos showing up to such a degree and the candidates are going to start doing that as well, going to start tailoring their message to appeal to those particular groups. But, you know, in the end, theres a lot of fear here. You know, trump got into power based on fear. He didnt have big, bold, ideas, it was american carnage, and here, theres fear of trump and theres also, you know, make no mistake, where there was such agreement tonight was that government can and must alter the Playing Field for americans, can change behavior. Can change the course of peoples lives. Theres not really a conservative in the race because donald trump is not that. So, you know, what conservatives are fighting about is conserving a different role for government, which is what reagan embodied was that idea of the conservation of first principles. Thats not really thats not whats being debated here but where there was consensus tonight is how much government can and should do. And theres the fight. Theres biden saying, whoa, you know, i mean, i align myself with a progressive in barack obama, now we want to go so much farther than that in the Democratic Party. Theyre going to spend a lot of time fighting about that and to your point, trumps just going to be waiting and saying, great, youre all socialists as far as im concerned. You fight it out and whoever wins is going to be bloodied by that and here i come. Also you know whats important to know, were going to have to start doing more reporting on, is who is tooling up for what races . For all we know, yang is putting his money behind having an amazing infrastructure in new hampshire. Lets say he pops the numbers there and winds up pulling off a fourth. All of a sudden, hes in the top four until the next primary, maybe even after that. Thats why the state means so much in terms of organizing are you still convinced that thats even true, though, after 2016 . I mean, take rubio. His infrastructure in nevada, for instance, was phenomenal. I mean, i remember being on the ground there and just, in the early days when everyone thought trump was a joke, there was no question that rubio was winning that state. He came in third to trump and cruz. The whole joke about trump was that he had no infrastructure. That this was so haphazard. Youre 100 right. Im make bing the case they have to pull a rabbit out of the hat because they have to make you care. The people writing about you, we were talking earlier about why klobuchar hasnt gotten more run, we havent given her the run. Ive had her on the show numerous times. Weve done town halls with her. She hasnt done enough to get the people to start pushing the cause. How do people find out who beto orourke is . Democrats threw a ton of money at him in infrastructure, they wanted him to beat cruz. He became a golden boy. He got put on the cover of vanity fair. Hes a golden boy again. Everybody talks him up. He raises money. He falls down. The media leaves him alone. Thats where he stays. CKamala Harris, same thing. Buttigieg, same thing. If the media, youre resonating, getting the headlines from being in the debate, you start to make your own luck. To your point, by the time we got to nevada in 2016, mb arco rubios ground game was almost irrelevant because he was already losing. Ted cruz through his infrastructure in iowa, thats where he finished first to the surprise of many and that really changed the narrative around the race. I think had it not been for donald trump, ted cruz very likely would have been the republican nominee. Thats where the ground game very much still does matter. Elizabeth warren actually had a very formidable ground game in the early states. Thats why the Trump Campaign is internally somewhat concerned about her prospects and just to the point you made about the rust belt and this tension in the Democratic Party, donald trump won those states by maybe 20,000 to 22,000 votes. The margins are really, really tight. The question for democrats is are they going to make a really big play for those independentminded voters through this approach of incrementalism or try and put together that Obama Coalition of voters and really double down on the base it sh. Thats what they need. Which is people of color, young voters and women. They dont have to be mutually exclusive, either. I mean, remember, cruz who had, you know, by all accounts a Brilliant Team of strategists based their voter models off a 6 Million People turnout in texas. How many turned out . 8 million. Thats why beto orourke actually came as close as he did. To beating ted cruz. If that kind of model is replicated in 2020, that sort of focus on young people, on minority voters, thats where that matters. You know, something that we kicked around, i think, a few times is sitting with me now which is, you know, a lot of this debate was about winning the progressive primary. Winning the big progressive idea. Thats really where the fight is. Biden, who catapulted his campaign with the idea that it was a rejection of dronald trum, the fight for the soul of america, hes not spending a lot of his time talking about that. Thats right. Hes on the defensive. Hes trying to sound hip and with it. He can take on his opponents, can remember facts. Trying much too hard in my judgment because he cant command all these facts and sounds like hes stumbling over words. The night before right. Hes trying to remember facts that his advisers prepped with him. Only Kamala Harris tonight at the point that i saw for the first hour and a half was really saying, bringing it back to who are we up against . You know, barack obama was really this was his candidacy was a really about iraq and it was about rejecting iraq. This is only going to be about rejecting trump. But right now, theyre fighting two things at once. The progressive ideas and the future and taking on trump. And think about it, Kamala Harris spent the first two debates really going after joe biden so its been quite a striking turnaround to see her sort of congratulating her opponents and, you know, really giving them their credit. I think shes looking for a way in here. The inner circle. Back to trump, because i think that increasingly the field is realizing that democratic voters are much more concerned with how youre going to take on donald trump. And joe biden, you know, the polls only tell you so much but he still has such a commanding lead. His campaign has been singularly focused. Because on electability, the polling in terms of the primary focus of the democratic electorate being about electability, that polling has been there from the getgo. Its interesting to me that somebody like Kamala Harris, for instance, is only just now kind of trying to bring it back. That was a stunning moment visavis health care when she said remember who were up against, you know, donald trump, we will, you know, campaign against obamacare with no replacement in mind. Lets talk about for a moment. The fact that shes doing that just now, i mean, i have to wonder if its too late. What lets figure out whos telling them what because weve all seen the same numbers. Every time you ask the democrats, they have an existential exactly. Fear about this president. Even if its not fear, its outrage. You know, that they want him out. And they say, i hear it on my radio show, i have this sirius radio show, two hours every day, everybody who doesnt want trump says theyll vote for anybody else. Its only once you get into the democratic parties and you start you start messing with them about it, now they Start Talking about the gradation. So whos telling them what that theyre not focusing on what we all see as you know, the two conversations about that as much as democrats want the election to just be a ref rerenm on him, its going to be a choice between two people and have to defend policies not just against trump, naysayers and thats what Elizabeth Warren and theyre all trying to do especially the progressives saying these are big ideas that are actually going to move people in a way donald trump has not been able to help them and will go beyond where barack obama has been. But that the fundamental bet is still that there are enough voters who are open because theyre tired of the trump show. Theyre really, theyre turned off or they think he hasnt delivered and i think thats still a primary message that theyre getting, that theyre campaigning on, but theyve got to be about something more. Look, you have aoc in congress. I mean, she is full of big, bold, progressive ideas. And shes taking on trump. And i think this is where the candidates are trying to mirror some of that progressive heres the thing, though, everythings case by case. She won against a noshow i get it. She got the attention now of the he did a lot of good things according to his party, but he was a noshow there. I dont know how much traction shes getting there. The media loves her. Okay . Shes got a nickname. We call her by three initials. Now shes got the whole group with her that they call the squad. Thats about us. I dont know how it resonates to the American People let alone on the next level. So this debate tonight was supposed to be a big showdown debate. Didnt really happen. Although, it does seem that weve had the best biden to date. The question is, is the best biden good enough at this point . Well, i think why i love coming on your show, chris, we talk about the element so much. You can talk a big game against an opponent. You get on the stage and theyre right there, its harder. Same thing about talking about trump. Youre right. Youre all right. Thats why i love having you. Thank you so much. This is so much fun. Ill be back at midnight, but right now, postdebate coverage begins with anderson cooper. Anderson . Chris, thanks very much. Good evening, everybody. Moments ago the third president ial debate wrapped up. A number of standout moments and performances, many of them involving joe biden who gave about good as he got on the stage and got from quite a few of the candidates tonight. Overall a heated night with all the candidates sparring over a number of the big issues. The big issue, who is best suited, of course, to take on president trump. Going right now to the folks roo educa right here with me for some reaction. David chalian, lets start with you. I think joe biden had the best debate performance of the cycle so far for him tonight. Is it because he was more focused or yeah, he was just sharper and he seemed as you said in your intro, he seemed to be able to do the give and take with a lot more ease than he did in the first couple debates. He just seemed more confident up there, more on his game. So i think he had a pretty strong night which means the debate probably didnt change much in the race. I think there wasnt a lot of new policy ground broken in the debate tonight. I dont know that this is going to dramatically change the race. The other thing i would note, overall, anderson, it was sort of, i thought, specialespeciall Health Care Conversation in the beginning sort of the Center Strikes back with biden and klobuchar and buttigieg sort of taking on sanders and warren with not going to the whole medicare for all kit and kabood kaboodle. Their argument wasnt getting as much play in the previous debates. The left was driving that debate and caused a lot of concern in more moderate democratic circles. And tonight, i thought you saw some of those more centrist candidates really push through a bit more than we had seen previously. Yeah, i think thats right, and in some ways, i think bernie was bernie times 100 tonight. Very yelly. Angry. There was this moment the camera captured him sort of just yelling at biden around health care and biden just kind of standing there smiling at him which i thought was a good moment for biden. I agree with david, biden i think had his best of the cycle. His best debate. He was energetic. He was quick on his feet. Warren i thought kind of faded down the stretch which in some ways was okay because bernie was sort of taking all the heat and making the case for progressive which i think was a bad contrast. Biden i thought was kind of calm and cool and collected. And made a pretty strong case for the moderates. Warren didnt quite answer the question, right, about how she would actually pay for this. Would it be a middle class tax cut . She didnt quite answer that. She essentially said overall costs would be lower. At some point i think biden said there will be a deductible but it will be from your paycheck. He also i think at some point called bernie a socialist which was also a moment. Also i think beto had a fantastic night. If theres sort of an overall winner, i think it would be him. Ive been critical of beto in the past. I think hes really found his footing. Hes fantastic on the gun debate, obviously a huge tragedy happened in his backyard as well as immigration. There was a humanity there to him and a passion. He spoke with real hurt and was really compelling. It will be interesting to see what this means for him going forward. First of all, these were the ten top candidates and it was a more coherent debate it seemed to me than the ones weve seen before. I agree with whats been said. I dont think much as changed, particularly at the top, joe biden had his best performance. So much of it is whether hes the guy who can beat trump and everybody is watching to see if he can stand up to these kinds of pressures and he did. I think Elizabeth Warren had a better night, perhaps, than you did. I think shes very consistent. Thats been the hallmark of her entire campaign. She is unflappable. She is consistent. I think she was he