The breaking news. We are learning at this hour that the boston terror suspect shot and killed by police had plotted to behead a prominent private citizen in new york, someone who had been the target of terror plots before. We can tell you at this hour now the persons name. That person is Pamela Geller who most recently organized the Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest in texas which ended in a deadly shootout. The suspect rahim changed his mind and instead decided to target police. Pamela geller is my guest in a moment. First i want to tell you everything we know about the story which is developing so quickly and so incredibly late tonight. In court today a secretary suspect in rahims terror ring naimd david wright, you see the sketch there, was charged with conspiracy and attempt to cover up details of the plain. Rahim had brought three military style knifes from amazon that would be good for quote unquote carving sculptures. We know rahim was shot and killed by police while he was holding the knife that you see on your screen right there. That is the knife. Pamela brown is in boston tonight beginning our coverage. Pamela, you just broke the news about Pamela Geller as the target for a beheading. What can you tell us . Reporter well weve learned from Law Enforcement officials that rahim, david wright who was arrested and appear nd court today and a third person met on a beach in rhode island in late may and discussed their plan to allegedly go to new york and behead the controversial figure Pamela Geller. She organized the Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest in garland, texas, where there was an attempted terrorist attack. Weve learned from officials that rahim changed his mind apparently and yesterday morning called david wright and said he wanted to target Police Officers. Tonight newly released Court Documents allege boston terror suspect rahim was about to go on a rampage to randomly Kill Police Officers and also planning to behead someone in another state. These were plots rahim and a second suspect arrested yesterday, david wright were planning. An fbi recorded phone call between rahim and wright lays out their plan to Kill Police Officers using code words. Youre attempting to go on a vacation i see. Yeah, im going to be on vacation right here in massachusetts. The fbi says wright confirmed the attack was to take place yesterday or today. Last wednesday rahim allegedly had a large black knife delivered to his home. He brags to wright he got himself a nice little tool good for carving wood and like. They also separately planned to behead a victim in another state using words such as like thinking with your head on your chest. Law enforcement officials believe that is a direct reference to terrorist beheading videos. Authorities have monitored rahim for over two years and believe he was radicalized by isis. The fbi recently put him under 24 7 surveillance. This guy required 24 7 surveillance so we thought the threat was severe enough that we had to approach him. We never expected what happened. Reporter with this information and a recent change of rahims behavior, officers and fbi agents approach rahim. He suddenly turned around with a large black knife and lunged at them authorities say. Police ordered him to drop the weapon before officers opened fire killing him. Wright appeared in federal court today to face conspiracy charges. His neighbor told me this. The no thatmonth that we have been here every time we said hi he just would look at you. He just would not say anything to you. Its just very eerie. Reporter and we have learned that the fbi is still investigating that third individual who allegedly was part of this beheading plot. But so far, were told that no other arrests have been made. This investigation still very active. Erin . Pamela thank you very much. And Pamela Geller the target of that planned attack, that planned beheading, joins me now on the phone, the president of the American Freedom defense nishltive and stop islamization of america. Pamela, look thank you very much for coming on here and talking about this for the first time. Cnns reporting you were the beheading target. Whats your reaction to that . Well, they targeted me for violating sharia blasphemy laws. They mean to kill everyone who doesnt do their bidding and abide by their law voluntarily. This is a showdown for American Freedom. Will we stand against this savagery or bow down to them and silence ourselves . It wont end with me no matter what happens to me or the cops. This is just the beginning. The one thing thats being ignored that came out of garland, texas, is that isis is here. Islamic terrorism is here. Now, will the media realize whats at stake and that their heads are next . Or will they continue to target me because they hate my message of freedom . Thats the question. So pamela do you have extra security at this time . Obviously the Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest in texas, obviously people died. There was a gun fight. Do you have extra security. Do you think theyll target you again . A couple of corrections. A couple of people didnt die. The jihadists who came to slaughter people were taken out as they shot at our police. Thats the first thing. The second thing it was an art exhibit depicting mohammed through the past 1400 years where hes been rendered in various pieces of artwork. It didnt lead to slaughter. Its obviously being used now, modern jihadism is using these blast fa my laws and this violent intimidation to impose the sharia. Yes, of course, the answer to your question is since garland, texas, ive had an army of security. This is what is required just to show a cartoon in america 2015. Its striking. Its devastating. And people need to understand whats at stake. I mean if we surrender on this point then what will we surrender next . So pamela, youre talking about how you do have in your words an army of security now. On that draw muhammad cartoon event in texas, obviously some people see it very differently than you see it, right . You see it as an art event. They see it as showing pictures of the Prophet Muhammad who should not be drawn. You know you obviously have done other things. You remember the ads on the new york city subways. You took the Transit Authority to court, you won. You were able to post ads which include words like this in any war between the civilized man and savage support the civilized man. Support israel. Defeat jihad. Are you surprised that there are some who would want to target you for words like that . Im surprised that the media would side with those that would target me. Of course im not surprised they would target me. This is a war and they seek to impose the sharia. The ads that ive done across the country were in response to vicious antiisrael, antisemitic ads already running. And my question to you is do we not want to defeat jihad . I mean what is wrong with those ads . There is nothing wrong with the cartoon. There is nothing about the cartoon that incites violence. It is within the established american tradition of satire. And if america surrenders on this point, the freedom of speech is a relic of history. Now, you know, the law center has described your group as what they saw, quote, is an active antimuslim group. They track hate groups in this country. They describe you as, quote, the antimuslim movements most visible and flamboyant figurehead. Again they track hate groups. Theyre putting you on that list. Nothing justifies a beheading or a beheading plot. But its important to note this. I mean are you stoking the flames . Do you on some level relish being the target of these attacks . Relish being the target . Who selfpromotes to get killed . Thats the first thing. The second thing is the seven Poverty Law Center . Really, erin . Since when . Who designated them the arbiter of anything . Theyre an uberleft group. They dont track jihadist groups, groups that target the slaughter. They track patriots. They track veterans. They track defense groups like myself. And their members have actually targeted and tried to slaughter family groups and leaders like tony Perkins Family groups. And even the shooter in North Carolina who shot three muslims over a parking dispute was a member of the southern Poverty Law Center. Thats who youre using against me . Why dont we talk bh the accomplishments and the accolades that my group got . Why do you use the southern Poverty Law Center a notorious communist group to smear me . Im the hunted one. Im the hunted one. This is incredible to me. As i said i think nothing justifies a beheading but i do think the question was a fair one. Pamela, i appreciate you very much taking the time to call in and talk to us tonight. I want to bring in deborah feyerick. You just heard what pamela had to say. Look she has an incredibly strong point of view as they describe her. Shes a flamboyant figurehead for the antimuslim movement. Whats your view in terms of her saying the southern Poverty Law Center doesnt track the other groups . Ive done a number of pieces on Pamela Geller. She was at the heart of the movement to stop building a mosque down at ground zero. Yes, very well known for that. Very vocal in terms of that even though there was a mosque nearby when the towers fell. So people were simply replacing it. Arguably critics will say its not free speech. Its hate speech and hate begets hate. So the fact that she was a target or potentially a target of this individual, thats exactly what happened in garland, texas. They saw what she was doing as inflammatory, as inciting. But the southern Poverty Law Center, they track a whole bevy of groups and they track hate groups. And she has also been linked to supremacists, white supremacists. She is not above the criticism that is being leveled at her because of her own affiliations. So even if the southern Poverty Law Center is a left leaning group, the scale goes the other way. And what more are you learning about this beedheading plot . This is also very interesting. We know rahim who was shot and killed had a 15inch knife. That he bought from amazon. Com. The fbi was able to intercept that package. They xrayed it found the knife inside and then they had that very knife delivered to rahim. Couple days later he buys two more knives also on amazon. Com and those knives he received and he was planning on going to new york we believe to kill this prominent individual. He changed his plan because he said the easier target to him was the men in blue, the police. We have seen many warnings that police, military, Law Enforcement are all targets. But right now what we do know is that he had three extremely large knives on him and theres no indication from authorities that he had other types of weapons. We could learn that de, but right now its really the knives that were the weapon of choice. Completely modeling the isis pattern. How are you going to create fear . Youre going to go after the disbelievers and youre going to use big knifes to do it. These are the same people who think its okay to rape women. Theyre also going to use the savagery of cutting somebodys head off. Absolutely horrific. Nothing justifies that. Thank you so much deborah. Next a race against time. Rescue workers are drilling a hole into that ship desperately trying to find survivors in china. Were still in the window where they could find many survivors. Were live on the scene tonight. Plus, breaking news. Investigators focusing on the victims assistant in the d. C. 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Nearly 400 people are on the ship. Its only if 50 feet of water. Were still within the window of finding survivors. Weve seen rescuers with their ears pressed up to the hull of the ship trying to listen for passengers tapping or calling for he help. They have heard that in prior hours. Ivan watson is outfront tonight in china. Reporter a ray of hope. Rescue workers drilling through the hull of the capsized cruise ship as the search for survivors continues. This is the eastern star cruising down the river just minutes before the ship carrying more than 450 passengers and crew ran into a violent storm. Survivors describe rain pounding the ship with such force that water seeped into cabins. One man said he only had 30 seconds to grab a life vest and get out. Today theres increasing anger from some family members, frustrated over a lack of answers from officials. These families walk for more than four hours coming just a few hundred yards from the river before a line of police block their path. But there is reason to hope more survivors will be found aboard the ship that capsized nearly 60 hours ago. Two years ago, a cook on board a capsized nigerian tug boat survived 60 hours before his rescue. His lifeline, a small pocket of air. Just reassure him, give him a thumbsup and reassure him. Reporter the Eastern Stars captain was pulled from the water downstream from the wreck, according to one chinese newspaper. He and the first engineer are in custody. So far no charges have been filed against them. But after the Costa Concordia ran aground off the coast ofity lit in 2012 killing 32 the captain of that ship also survived, ultimately convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 16 years in prison. Chinese social media is comparing the wreck of the eastern star to a south korean vessel that sank last year killing more than 300 people many of them high school students. Again, the captain survived. Video showed him leaping to safety as hundreds remained trapped on board. He has since been indicted for murder. But in both the italian and south korean cases, bad weather was not a factor. Ivan what are families saying about the progress of the search effort . Obviously you know we know that this is in deep water. We know that there could be major air pockets. We know were within the window they could find survivors. Theres nearly 400 people there. They cant be satisfied with the way things are going. Reporter erin we met families that were furious. Dozens of relatives who either their parents were on board this boat or their spouses, and they paid their own way traveling for ten hours on a bus and then when we encountered them, they were confronting a local government official, calling him a liar to his face. Then we saw this incredible scene filing off the bus and started marching out of town asking locals which way to the river. And we followed them for more than four hours through this Police Checkpoint right here where there are a wall of Police Officers. It was before midnight. And the relatives, they just broke through and they were yelling how would you feel if it was your parents on board that boat . These people were so desperate, so upset that they were determined to get as close as possible to the wreck to see with their own eyes the search and rescue operations, and many of them were very critical of the government and its efforts thus far. Thank you very much ivan. Live in china. I want to go right now to captain james staep els, a retired merchant marine kamt, very familiar with the river where the cruise ship is under water. Captain, theyre using the blow torches trying to cut through the hull. Obviously theyre doing this as a point of desperation. They know they could cause pressure issues but theyre trying to do anything they can. What are the dangers of cutting a hull open like this . Well erin i see two dangers immediately. One if they cut into a tank or some type of ballast tank or fuel tank we always have the possibility of an explosion or a fire. So theyve got to be very positive of where theyre actually cutting into on this vessel. You just cant start cutting steel because you hear noise because noise comes from different areas of the ship. We need to be very careful of that. Then we fwheed to be careful of purging that area of the air and having the hole get filled up with water to where the buncy of the ship is going to be less than what it is now and possibly causing the vessel to sink deeper. I mean what is your honest assessment of the situation here