Stay with us for Anderson Coopers new interview with donald trump on ac 360. Im brianna keilar, thank you for watching. Out front with jim sciutto starts right now. Out front next, breaking news, Donald Trumps immigration flipflop tonight, is he flipflopping again . Plus Hillary Clinton unleashes a scathing attack tying trump to racists and tonight trump punches back right here on cnn. And more breaking news, two nuns found dead tonight. Their killer still on the run. Whats the motive . Lets go out front. Good evening. Im jim sciutto and out front tonight, breaking news. Another stunning reversal from donald trump on immigration. Just moments ago, trump appeared to flipflop on his immigration
flipflop. Heres what the republican president ial nominee said to Anderson Cooper. If they havent committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization . Im talking about citizenship. There is no path to legalization. Unless people leave the country well, when they come back in, if they come back in then they can start paying taxes. So they still have to leave the country . There is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. This comes less than 24 hours after donald trump said this. Theyll pay back taxes. They have to pay taxes. Theres no amnesty as such. Theres no amnesty. Right. But we work with them. Now, okay, but when i look at the rooms and i have this all over, and everybody agrees we get the bad ones out, but when i go through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on the subject, and ive had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and theyve said, mr. Trump, i love you, but to take a
person who has been here for 15, 20 years and to throw them and the family out is so tough, mr. Trump. I have it all of the time. Its a very, very hard thing. Keep in mind, for the last year of his president ial run, donald trump has been saying this. Youll have to send people out. I would get people out, and i would have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal. Theyve got to go out. But how do you do it in a practical way . Theyve got to leave. Were going to have a deportation force. Jason carroll out front tonight. Trump appears to be backtracking on his immigration backtrack. You are following the campaign very closely. Whats going on here . Reporter well, its a good question. Look, heres what i can tell you and ive listened to a number of that sound and people have heard these different sort of positions that trump has had on this issue. Look, i think what were going to get from the campaign is that donald trump has been consistent
in one way. Hes been consistent in saying no amnesty, no path to citizenship, but jim, what is clear here is that its not clear and the only one who seemingly can clear it up is donald trump. When it comes to immigration, donald trump is still talking tough. If you want to have strong borders, so that people come into our country, but they come in legally through a legal process, that doesnt make you a racist. It makes you smart. But trump now signaling he might be reconsidering his pledge to deport all of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the united states. No citizenship. No citizenship. Everyone agree with that . Yeah. All right. Well go a step further. Theyll pay back taxes. They have to pay taxes. Theres no amnesty as such. Reporter its an approach that aligns trump with some of his former republican primary rivals. Were not going throw them out. Im not in favor of getting rid of them if. Theyre on a path to earn legal status. Back then, these candidates were frequent targets of truchs and relentless attacks on their immigration views. Bush is weak on immigration. In an interview today jeb bush criticized trump on his new tact. All of the things that donald trump railed against, he seems to be morphing into. Its kind of disturbing. A hard line when it came to those in the count rery illegal saying he will deport them. His campaign insisting there was no shift in his position. Nothing has changed in terms of the policies. This man is not for amnesty. His approach on immigration xhz as he held a roundtable with hispanic and africanamerican fellows from the Republican Leadership institute part of his continued outreach to minority voters. A very important part of the
message for me is the Africanamerican Community because they have really been let down by Hillary Clinton and the democrats. Reporter the meeting comes on the heels of trumps attacks on clinton for her commitment to minority voters. Hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings. And jim, back to the issue of immigration. Ive spoken to a number of Trump Supporters, many of them tell me whether it be right here in New Hampshire or where we were in texas and austin. They tell me that if they find that trump, is quote, unquote, softening his position on immigration they tell me that they wont end up voting for him. One man in particular i spoke to is first generation. His family comes from italy and he said his family came here legally and he told me, quote, now is not the time to be
compassionate to those who break the law. He brought up a very good point, jim. He said the reason why he liked donald trump and frankly, the reason why so many people like donald trump is because hes not politically correct. Weve heard that many times before and also because he speaks in plain language that people can understand. So, but clearly, this message on immigration is muddled. Again, the only one who can clear this up is donald trump. As you know, he is expected to give an immigration policy speech. Thats going to be next week in phoenix on wednesday. Perhaps at that point the campaign can finally put this issue to rest. We will see you, Jason Carroll in New Hampshire there. Alfonso aguilar. He is a donald trump supporter. Hillary clinton supporter jonathan tasini, and pastor mark burns, a donald trump supporter and former communications for ted cruz and kayleigh mcmainy and basil smikle. He is a Hillary Clintonsupporter. Kayleigh, you heard those comments and not the first time we talked about it today. How is this not a backtrack on the backtrack . Well, if you listen specifically to what donald trump said in the second sound bite to sean hannity, he said i listen to voters and voters tell me im too harb on this policy. They want me to soften it. He never committed to not deporting 11 million people. He was listening to voters and thats a good thing and he doubled down is that he wants immigrants to be here and he likes immigrants and wants them to be a part of the community, but he does believe in the rule of law. Basil, do you buy that . I dont. We can debate the particulars of immigration policy and Immigration Reform, but the fact i want to hone in on here is that he didnoesnt know what he doing. Donald trump does not know what hes doing with respect to immigration and his republican colleagues who he vanquished off the stage during the debates had, even though i may disagree, some kind of idea of whatImmigration Reform should look like and be like. He he puts them off the stage by basically taking a far, harder line on immigration retomorrow than any of them had. He stuck to that and dug in his heels much deeper than any of them head for a good chunk of his campaign, but were 75, 76 days out and his immigration policy is to be determined, quote, unquote from his Campaign Manager and to me, that signals that he really doesnt know what he wants to do, but what he does want to do is win, and to me that is want sound policy no matter what were talking about here. You heard our Jason Carroll who has been talking to voters on the campaign who say if he pushes and backtracks on this he will lose my support. How much of a concern is that for the Trump Campaign . Im sure it is a concern and Trump Supporters, those that oppose him on Immigration Reform are still going to go with mr. Trump. Theyre very loyal to mr. Trump. I dont think theyll leave him or stop supporting his mind on how to deal with the undocumented. This is not a fringe issue for the campaign. Its a defining issue for Donald Trumps campaign from the beginning. Well, but from the beginning and let me say, i think on this issue specifically on the undocumented he has been consistent from the very beginning he said i want people to leave the country. The good people. Those who have no criminal record would be allowed to return. The thing is yesterday in the interview no, no, no. Lets be clear. Hes always said it from the very beginning. Good or bad, they have to go. So the question is, does that happen the people without criminal ridiculous, do they have to leave the country or could they and then come back or can they do the touchback inside the country, going to an embassy or a consulate. If thats the case, then its not a major reversal. Its an adjustment of his position. Ill give credit where credit is due. Ted cruz supporter who holds a very similar position to what
were hearing now from donald trump. You predicted Donald Trumps positions would change. Heres the thing and the thing that makes me want to put my head through this glass table is republicans have been fighting about the word amnesty since about 2006 when we had the First ComprehensiveImmigration Reform bill. What does amnesty mean . Everyone says theyre against it and conservatives and people attracted to Donald Trumps hard line immigration message has defined amnesty as both citizenship and legal status and touchback amnesty where people are allowed to voluntarily leave the country, go back home and they have some kind of legal status. We dont know what trump means and theyll just leave. We dont know how theyre going to leave and come back. Donald trump has to forget what his policy is. He has to be pressed on what he believes amnesty is, because a lot of people among his base supporters think any kind of legal status is amnesty because thats where the debate has focused now. Youre a trump supporter, are you concerned that this is confusing for even Trump Supporters . I think its important that we understand the voice of the people should be dictating the policies and not just an individual. We are as the americans should be dictating what we want our candidate to do, and thats what Hillary Clinton has done, and has forgotten the voice of the people and created whatever she wants to do, say at hide and whatever she wants to hide. I did ask you about trumps position. But its the same because were talking about trump flipflopping. Trump is not flipflopping. Trump is listening to the voice of the people. The voice of the people is is is the mouthpiece of which donald trump is echoing to the world. So if if if the people are telling donald trump youre being too hard it is right for any candidate to say thats awesome. We will have more time later. The problem with this debate and were dealing with a con man and the first thing donald trump tried to do in the primaries was con conservative voters and the republicans. Once he finished with that he had to deal with the general electorate and now hes trying to con those people that basically rejected him. Donald trump is losing this election by a sland slide and now theyre looking around with a new adviser and saying how do we now con the electorate to believe that were actually not racist and that were not trying to con people and throw people out of the country. We have the luxury of time tonight and we are going to come back. You can see more of Anderson Coopers interview with donald trump and that is at 8 00 eastern time on cnn. Out front next, breaking news as clinton takes off the gloves tying trump to racism. Through it all he has continued pushing discredited conspiracy theorys with racist undertones. Plus donald trump pushing back at clinton. Shes totally bigoted. 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divisive, dangerous and radical. The last thing we need in the situation room is a loose canon who cant tell the difference or doesnt care to between fact and fiction, and who buys so easily into racially tinged rumors. Reporter she said trump and his new advisers are peddling hate by embracing an altright philosophy linked to the White Nationalist movement. This not conservatism as weve known it. This is not republicanism as we have known it. Reporter campaigning in New Hampshire today trump said clinton was spreading smears and lies. I want you to remember these three words. Shame on you. More than a fullthroated takedown of her rival, clinton all, but shamed republicans from aligning themselves with trumps rhetoric. The party of lincoln has become the party of trump. Clinton also took aim at stephen bannon, the Trumps Campaign new ceo whose website Breitbart News repeatedly publishes conspiracy theories and offers a racially tifrmged world view. A fringe element that has effectively taken over the Republican Party. As trump seems to be trying to moderate and soften his tone. Believe it or not, i regret it. Clinton is intent on reminding voters of trumps greatest and most controversial hits. Now trump is trying to rebrand himself as well, but dont be fooled. We know who trump is. Reporter the reno speech is the latest in a series of addresses trying to undercut trumps perceived strengths. From national security. He is temperamentally unfit. Reporter to his business acumen. Hes written a lot of books about business. They all seem to end at chapter 11. Reporter tonight shes also extending a hand to skeptical rep reps as she tries to lure them away from trump. Every day more americans are standing up and saying enough is
enough including a lot of republicans, and i am honored to have their support in this campaign. Reporter and, jim, interestingly, she talked about bob dole, how his convention in 1996 told any racists in the Republican Party to leave. She talked about john mccain and how he stood up to people who questioned Barack Obamas faith and she talked about george w. Bush who said right after 9 11 that muslims love americans, too. Her audience here to this speech or republicans, but jim, the question is are they listening . Is she a credible messenger for this type of argument. She is so well known her negatives are nearly as high as Donald Trumps. Shes trying to make this case here and it was one of the most sober, serious speeches shes given. The question is will they listen . How many republicans did she win over . Thanks very much, jeff zeleny. My panel back with me. Kayleigh, you heard clintons speech today and she was using trumps own words against him. His own words. How does he argue with this . First i would start by saying if hes been this bad on race issues going back to the 1970s she