Transcripts For CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront 20200923 : vimars

Transcripts For CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront 20200923

Streets across this nation tonight after a grand jury in louisville, kentucky, charged just one officer in the Breonna Taylor case. That officer though not charged with the actual killing of the 26yearold, nor were the other officers present. You are looking at pictures of a tense stand off in louisville, police as you can see in riot gear facing off against a crowd. That is what you see now still in daylight. The crowd growing in size tonight, curfew going into effect in less than two hours as we are watching this right now. To add to the tension on the ground, this is video of a Militia Group. That is a Militia Group marching through the streets with long guns. Earlier today in louisville. Now, taylor was shot 6 times in her apartment in the middle of the night last march. Lawyers for taylors family calling the decision outrageous and defensive. Earlier today kentuckys attorney general defended the grand jurys decision. Breonna taylors death has become a part of a National Story and conversation. But we must also remember the facts and the collection of evidence in this case are different than cases elsewhere in the country. If we simply act on emotion or outrage, there is no justice. Mob justice is not justice. As the attorney generals referencing, taylor became one of the faces of nationwide protests against police shootings. Just moments ago, President Trump was asked about todays decision. Heres his response. I thought it was really brilliant Kentucky Attorney general is doing a fantastic job. Hes handling it very well. All right. Theres a lot to get to tonight and the nation of course on edge. I want to start with Shimon Prokupecz life outfront in louisville. Shimon, we showed pictures of whats happening moments ago with the altercation with riot, protests and police. What are you seeing and hearing now . Reporter yeah, erin, we are here at Jefferson Square park. You can see behind me several hundred protesters have gathered. Theyre trying to decide whether or not theyre going to march. They gave indications they are going to march. As ive seen through the night here, police here are moving in quickly when they feel things are escalating. This, as tension remains high here. Outrage in the streets after a controversial grand jury decision in the Police Killing of 26yearold Breonna Taylor in march. Three louisville officers were involved in a gun battle with taylors boyfriend where she was shot multiple times, and only one was indicted. The fatal shot was fired by detective cosgrove. Detective Myles Cosgrove not indicted. Sergeant mattingly was the first and only officer to enter the residence. Sergeant John Mattingly not indicted ether. According to kentucky law, the use of force was justified to protect themselves. Reporter only former detective Brett Hankison was charged with three counts of wanton endangerment to the apartment next door. Back in june, hankison was fired and reprimanded by the interim police chief in a letter accusing him of wantonly and blindly firing into taylors apartment through a curtain. Several of the shots went through the neighbors house. The officers were executing a no knock search warrant. The attorney general says a witness heard police knocking before they broke down the door. Evidence shows that officers both knocked and announced their presence at the apartment. Taylors boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, says he never heard Police Announce themselves. All of a sudden someone started beating on the door. They refused to answer when we yelled, who is it. Walker fired the first shot, hitting mattingly in the leg. In a matter of seconds, three officers r returned fire. 15 minutes later, breonna was dead. Breonna taylors family and supporter were expecting stronger charges against the officer, manslaughter. The Attorney Ben Crump calling it outrageous. The attorney general urged the public fiat had to politicize the decision. There will be celebrities, influencers and activists who have never lived in kentucky who will try to tell us how we feel, suggesting they understand the facts, but they dont. Reporter but on the streets of louisville, the National Guard has been called in to prepare for the protests, as the mayor announcing a threenight long curfew, beginning at 9 00 p. M. We must plan for the potential for large gatherings. I urge everyone to commit once again to a peaceful lawful response. And erin, as you said, the curfew, two hours away now, less than two hours, and police here, as i said earlier, have given indications that theyre going to move in and strictly enforce this curfew. This is something that is certainly on the minds of many of the people you see here who have given indications theyre going to march. The issue is theres a curfew here starting at 9 00. Well be here. Well see what happens. Tension here remains high and the big thing is going to be whether or not the police move in to try and enforce the curfew. Shimon, thank you very much. And were going to continue to watch here what happens over the next few moments. Outfront now, the president and ceo of the louisville urban league, criminal defense general joey jackson. I want to start with you. You have been speaking out about Breonna Taylor for months, and today no officers charged directly in her deadly shooting. Were you shocked . How disappointed are you . I am i am profoundly disappointed. Unfortunately, i cannot say that i am shocked because i am a black woman in america and i know that our lives have not had much value in this country. I did expect more from my city, and i am mad at myself for building my hopes up and keeping this community hopeful. But it is what it is, and these people marching in the streets, my god, they have a right to their rage. We all do. This is very, very disappointing day for all of us in louisville, kentucky, and across this country. So, joey, the charges th, th ones that there were, were for only one officer, former officer, Brett Hankison, charged with wanton endangerment for putting the lives of other neighbors at risk when he opened fire, not in relation to shooting Breonna Taylor or her boyfriend. When you look at the evidence in the case, as the attorney general is telling everybody to do, do you think the charges and lack thereof make sense . So, erin, im troubled and im concerned. And with respect to the attorney general who says that there will be people outside of kentucky who have opinions, yes, people outside of kentucky do have opinions. We have a country that has opinions, and that opinion focuses on accountability. So, lets talk about that briefly. Were talking about a grand jury. Whats the significance of that . A grand jury, erin, doesnt determine proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. A grand jury assesses the evidence and establishes whether theres reasonable cause to believe there was a crime and that the officers in question committed it. That gives you a lot of leeway with respect as a grand jury to what you ultimately conclude, and you dont have to, by the way, be unanimous. Why is all this relevant . We have often said that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. It depends what information they have. And theres contradictory evidence and information. What im concerned about is how the case was presented. What did they hear . What information were they given such that they drew the conclusion . So, yes, its very concerning. I dont live in kentucky, right, the attorney general, but the person outside having evaluated, followed and viewed the evidence, i am concerned with respect to the conclusions the grand jury reached and i want to know what information they were given such that they reach the conclusion rendered we all heard today. I think its really crucial you lay that out because i think a lot of people may not always realize what information they had, right . She kept going in and a lot to do what what youre going to conclude going out. We know taylors boyfriend fired first and he says he and breonna were both afraid and the police never identified themselves, which is core to the reason for the limited charges. Heres the Kentucky Attorney general on this specific issue of a noknock warrant again. They did knock and announce. The important point here is that information was corroborated by another witness, who was in close proximity to apartment four, who corroborated that information, and said there was a knocking and announcing by the officers. [ inaudible question ] the witness was a civilian. Okay. Drew, this is crucial to the whole thing. And you spoke to multiple witness, including a woman who was just inches away who backed up taylors boyfriend saying police did not identify themselves. When you heard this today from the attorney general, were you surprised . No, but it goes to joeys point, which is what was presented to the grand jury . We know that there was somebody in that apartment complex its a very tight corridor with four apartments up, four apartments down. The doors are very close to each other. We know that one person did poke his head out to see what was happening. If that person was up at 12 40, heard something outside, poked his head out and then heard it was the police, thats a different set of facts than if youre inside an apartment like Kenneth Walker and Breonna Taylor lying in bed dozing off to sleep and you dont hear anything. The witnesses i talked to, none of them heard police. Two of them were woken up by gunfire. One teenage girl says she woke up and thought it was a domestic fight. All she heard was shouting. None of them heard the words, police, open up. This is crucial to the issue of charges. Joey, when i mentioned this shot from taylors boyfriend, it was one shot and he says he aimed low, which by the way this appears to be true because the officer she shot was shot in the leg. So, he has one shot at the leg. The three officers in return fire a total of 32 shots, 22 from the officers who did not get charged. The attorney general today says the use of oforce was justified by those two officers not charged, and the former Police Commissioner for philadelphia, Charles Ramsey just weighed. In. He said its a tragedy plain and simple but they were justified in returning fire in my opinion. Nobody had any of this information that were discussing now. What do you think . Respect mr. Ramsey greatly. He has done a Great Service to our country and his community. Heres what i think. What i think, there comes a point in time where force is excessive. What i think is in order to get to the issue of criminality you dont have to reach a conclusion of grand jury that someone acted intentionally. At what point does my conduct become so unreasonable that it transcends the training of what could be deemed criminality. Was there any negligence at all in what the officers with r doing with firing 30 shots . Was there recklessness with response to their conduct . These are things that have to be measured. Final point, we could debate justification all day and all night. At the end of the day, thats a injury determination, not a grand jury determination. A jury determination. I think people are upset because of the short circuiting of the process. If you feel something happened, you can guide them accordingly, if you dont feel something happened, you can guide them accordingly. Grand jury indict and a trial jury makes the ultimate conclusion. And the fact a jury will not make that decision is very troubling. Drew, was there anything that stood out that surprised you by what the attorney general said today in his defense of this decision . Not in defense of his decision. Based on the facts he presented, i can see how he reasonably believes the grand jury was correct in its decision making. But the big, big hole in all of this is why those officers were at that door in the first place. It was completely shotty police work, terrible intelligence. Copy and pasted search warrants. And lets go back all the way to the beginning. The actual target of this whole operation was a petty street drug dealer under surveillance that could have been arrested at any time for the months they had him being surveilled in advance, and none of the surveillance implicated directly Breonna Taylor. So, why did they go to this single woman they thought was in that apartment alone at 12 40 at night with a battering ram. That part of it makes no sense. The officers who were there were ordered to do that, okay . So, you have to take them away from the decision making, which i think is really the criminal aspect of this. And that is why, i believe, you see all these people out on the streets because of exactly what you point out and what youre nodding to. Thank you so much. Can i Say Something else . This is frustrating. Go ahead quickly. I just want to tell you the grand jury process did not work for Kenneth Walker in the same way it worked for the Police Officers and thats not another reason people are in the street. They recognize the difference in justice, who you are, where you are, and what you have access to. There are so many places along the way in this case where black people, where Breonna Taylor, Kenneth Walker did not get justice and we still dont have it. All right. Thank you. I appreciate your time, all of you. And next our breaking News Coverage of Breonna Taylor continues. These are live pictures this is brooklyn that youre looking at right now. 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And i want to go now were going to go to brooklyn in just a couple of moments to go on the ground there. I want to go to congresswoman Sheila Jackson lee of texas. Democratic congresswoman. As were working on getting our shot there, weve got our protests in cities across the country, i want to give you a chance to react to the announcement today to the attorney general in kentucky who laid his reasoning out, yet no officers charged directly with the death of Breonna Taylor. And the only charges for one officers related to bothering others, endangering others in the apartment complex. What is your reaction . Thank you for having me. My plea is to have peaceful protests, nonviolent protests. I understand what the protesters are crying out for, and thats simple justice. What happened today is a great injustice. We understand the scales of justice. We understand the right to be innocent until proven guilty. In the instance of this meager zie indictment, if you will, this reckless endangerment, the facts were not put before the grand jury as extensive as they were. There are too many unanswered questions. And in actuality, this should have had the opportunity for a jury, for a trial to occur so that all these witnesses who have not been heard from or have a different story from what has been represented, they need to be heard. They needed to be heard. So, my point with this is that i think the attorney general did not put a fu

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