Out front tonight, more people may die. That is the warning tonight from joe biden. The president elect using some of the strongest language yet since the election, telling President Trump it is time to start to transition now or risking losing more american lives to the virus. More people may die. If we dont coordinate. They say they have this Warp Speed Program that not only dealt with getting vaccines but also how to distribute this. If we have to wait until january 20th to start that planning, it puts us behind over a month, month and a half. The idea that the president is still playing golf and not doing anything about it is beyond my comprehension. The virus is spreading at an alarming rate. More than 100,000 cases for the 14th day running, far outpacing any increases in testing. At least 14,951 americans have died since election day. People were alive coming in, now dead. Yet the president is ignoring the urgent calls not just from biden but from dr. Fauci. Obviously, its something that were concerned about. And i know that transitions are very important to get a smooth, essentially as i use the metaphor, essentially passing of the baton without stopping running. Of course it would be better if we could start working with them. 14,951 americans who were alive on election eve are now dead from coronavirus. As biden said, the transition is also key to distributing a vaccine. A vaccine that could change our lives as we now know them. But it is a massive undertaking, one that according to fauci could, could, if everything lines up, begin in just weeks. We want to get doses to people starting in december, and then we want to really get the ball rolling as we get into january, february, and march. And now there are two possible vaccines. Moderna today reporting its vaccine is nearly 95 effective against the virus according to initial data. 95 . I mean, that is an incredible thing to celebrate. If it really works, if these vaccines work, they really could be transformational. And yet instead of trying to streamline the process the president is spending his time tweeting about the election. I won the election. Telling his supporters to watch a rightwing Propaganda Network that is filled with conspiracy theories, protrump commentaries, saying its really great. Thats how hes spending his time. And the controversial doctor on the task force, dr. Scott atlas, the one the president listens to, today spent his time going after michigans new restrictions on the virus. Atlas tweeting the only way this stops is if people rise up. You get what you accept. Freedom matters. Step up, he hashtags. Okay. Theres a couple of really important things here. First of all, michigan is seeing a surge in cases. 8,000 deaths now all in in michigan. Positivity rate above 10 . And what the states governor is proposing is not radical. Its not a full shutdown. She says its just some things, colleges and high schools temporarily, no indoor dining. Elementary schools, k through 8, those still allowed to open. Salons, ditto. Outdoor dining ditto, open, open, open. And yet atlas telling people to rise up against a governor who, by the way, was the target of an fbi busted attack and kidnapping plot that was formed in part due to coronavirus restrictions that shed put in place. The approach of let it rip is playing with peoples lives. According to the influential model often cited by the white house, another 113,237 americans will die by Inauguration Day if things dont change. Thats another 113,000 dead americans in 65 days on top of what i just said, 14,951 just since election day. It does not have to be this way. If President Trump conceded the election and did his utmost to rise to one of the deadliest stlaets to ever face this nation in his final days in office he could save countless lives. He could make it clear that his political loss is not what matters, what matters is his country. He could take this advice that we found in books this weekend. Let me read you a few interesting quotes. This one, problems, setbacks, mistakes and losses are all a part of life. You have to know when it call it quits and when to keep moving forward. And then this was this one. I also know that sometimes you have to throw in the towel. Maybe you failed but you probably learned something valuable. Chalk it up to experience. Dont take it personally. And go find your next challenge. And then there was in one. Unfortunately, life has its ups and downs which means that if you want to win you have to accept losing too. Who wrote those quotes . Well, every single one comes from books that carry trumps name on the cover as author. Trump, a man who should take his own advice. Youre fired. But thats life. So deal with it. Arlette saenz is with biden in wilmington, delaware. Kaitlan collins is with trump at the white house. Arlette, let me start with you. There was a clear change in tone today regarding the risk of delayed transition. Sharper language, more urgency. Whats behind the change in tone . Reporter well, erin, president elect joe biden is trying to strike this delicate balance, showing he is still prepared throughout this transition process but also warning of whats at stake. And that is what you heard him lay out today as he talked about how this delay in the Trump Administration acknowledging the transition process, how that is putting americans lives at risk. Bidens advisers have long felt that as this ascertainment process goes on without the ascertainment it becomes even more and more important as they are approaching that january 20th day where hes going to be inaugurated. So youve heard both biden and his chief of staff talking about the health risks that are involved if the Transition Team is unable to coordinate on things like the coronavirus pandemic. We know that the biden Transition Team also cant talk with the administration on other issues as well. This is all really starting to boil over as the inauguration gets closer and closer. Tonight we are also learning that biden is starting to fill out some of the senior staff positions within his white house. Weve learned that bidens campaign manager, jen omalley dillon, is expected to have a top role within the administration as well as congressman cedric richmond, who was one of the cochairs of bidens campaign. He also is planning to leave congress and join the white house as the senior staffing is starting to take shape for bidens administration. Moving ahead as much as they can. So lets go to kate lan on that. Kaitlan, the president has not hes just tweeting he won the election. This is how hes spending his time. And that is pretty much exclusively how hes spending his time. So what is everyone around him going to do . Reporter well, erin, its causing issues for them because they havent even been able to acknowledge that there will be a transition. You saw the health and Human Services secretary alex azar struggling with that today, saying if there is a transition it will go smoothly. He cant even say that there will be one and acknowledge that fact because of course the president is denying it even though hes come close to acknowledging bidens win. And then youre hearing from other officials like dr. Anthony fauci who is saying ive served under a lot of president s, a transition is incredibly important and especially now that we are living through a pandemic when a transition is supposed to be happening and the president is still blocking that access. And so the question is not only, erin, how is that transition going to happen, is it going to be smooth, will it thwart any of these distribution plans for the vaccine but also is the administration checked out of whats happening in the next two months as we are hitting some really challenging times with the virus surging. And so today there was a question about that since Vice President mike pence held his first governors call in six weeks because of course he was on the road a lot before the election. And Oregon Governor kate brown, who was on that call today, said that they did not address the fact that there was going to be a transition in a matter of weeks, since weve only got about two months left and said she believed it was very disingenuous is the way she described it given that was not something they talked about on that call today. So of course the ultimate decision and question is the president isnt just denying joe biden validation by ignoring his win, hes also potentially hurting this transition when it comes to the pandemic preparedness. All right, kaitlan. Thank you very much. So i want to go now to michael osterholm, member of president elect joe bidens covid19 advisory board. Also the director of the center of Infectious Disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. And i really appreciate your time. So doctor, President Trump theres clearly concern about the lack of a transition process thats even starting, what that could mean. Weve gone through the forecasted number of deaths. Almost 15,000 people have died since election day. President elect biden says more people could die if we dont coordinate, and weve seen the forecast 6115,000 more people dead between now and Inauguration Day. How worried are you right now . Well, im extremely worried about several buckets of information that you just described. Number one is we are entering the most dangerous period in Public Health since 1918. The potential we have to see these 150,000 to 180,000 cases per day turn into the 200s and even higher per day, which will overwhelm our Health Care System is an actual stark reality. Weve got to deal with that. We need leadership on that. Number two is that what is happening out here to try to prevent that transmission is that we have governors and mayors all working their very, very hardest to reduce that transmission, trying to coordinate within their states, and theyre looking for National Leadership to help guide them. And number three, and you hit it, you know, the one opportunity were going to have here to get out of this covid hell is in fact to have an effective and safe vaccine and were going to start seeing that transition to using the vaccine soon and we need to have it be a smooth transition now within each of our states but also over time between the two administrations. Together these are really challenging issues. So professor, you had said last week a four to sixweek lockdown could help control the spread, and were seeing that being done in places like europe. Of course trump used that against biden in the election, trying to say he would lock down the country. But the governor of michigan, which i just mentioned a moment ago, right . She has ordered a shutdown which includes some closures, high schools and colleges. If you can work from home you work from home. No indoor dining. No organized sports. But there is professional sports. There is prek through 8. There is salons, gyms and pools for individual workouts. There is outdoor dining. Do you see any situation, professor, in which we would need to lock down more than that . Well, erin, thank you for raising that because first of all, thats not actually what i said last week. What i referred to was a question regarding an oped piece that i wrote back last august in the new york times. And what ive laid out is i think first of all the term lockdown is a horrible term. If you interview 50 people and ask them what a lockdown is, theyll give you 75 different answers. Fair. Were really talking about what are the measures we need to take to support reducing transmission. And what ive always said is any kind of action we take has to be equally met by the Financial Support of our federal government so that if we shut down bars and restaurants to keep our schools open then those individuals who work there, that single mom waitress who has two kids trying to keep a roof over her head basically is subsidized. The same thing is true with the business owners. So to me thats what im talking about, is a comprehensive system. But to your point, i think were going to have to expand substantially. The number of activities are going to be curtailed. And it starts right in our own home with thanksgiving. So without the Financial Support from washington, d. C. I dont ever see this concept working because people are just not going to participate. One final question i want to ask you because you mentioned the vaccine. Sure. And so many people are pinning their hopes on it. I know dr. Fauci said even with the vaccine it could take quite some time, plus you would still need other measures. But what weve seen with these vaccines is incredible. And the president today tweeted he deserves credit for it. He said please remember these great discoveries which will end the china plague all took place on my watch. Now, he has said time and time again, professor, that he got the process going of a vaccine done way faster than anybody thought. Here he is. The average Development Timeline for the vaccine including clinical tests and manufacturing can take eight to twelve years. Through operation warp speed were doing it in less than one year. If this were another administration, you wouldnt have vaccines for three years. If you had another president other than me, you wouldnt be talking vaccines for two years. Does he deserve some credit . Yes, he absolutely does. I cant say that another administration wouldnt have done the same thing with the kinds of science leaders that are in the federal government from year to year that also proposed this. But i think he does deserve credit and we have to give it where credits due. But at the same time, remember a vaccine is nothing until it becomes a vaccination and right now were in this critical time to figure out how to get these vaccines delivered. We have no program right now coming out of the federal government to convince the average citizen they want the vaccine. And we know that in many circles theres a great deal of skepticism about the safety of the vaccine. So ill give anyone credit once we have vaccines in peoples arms for all that they did to make that happen. And until that happens we still have an incomplete job thats not done. All right. Professor osterholm, i appreciate your time. And thank you very much. Thank you. Now i want to go to someone whos working on the vaccine we got news on today from moderna, dr. Carlos del rio, an investigator in the vaccine trial and executive associate dean at the Emory University school of medicine. Doctor, good to have you back on. You were always frank with us and very but optimistic when we spoke through the summer and spring. When do you think americans are going to start to get what professor osterholm just said, vaccines in their arms with the Moderna Vaccine . Well, erin, i think the news today was really fantastic. And it was fantastic because you know, last week we had pfizer, this week we have moderna. And they both are aligned. They both show over 90 efficacy in this interim analysis. So it shows that this platform is effective. It also shows that the target of the vaccine, which is the spike protein in the virus, is the right target to produce neutralizing antibodies that will protect you from getting covid as a disease. So i think the are very good. Now the issue is the vaccine production has started. Theres 20 million to 30 million of these vaccines produced precisely through operation warp speed. Now we need to get the companies to apply to the fda for emergency use authorization. The fda has to review the data, do the approval. If everything goes well, probably late december, early january well start seeing some of the vaccines being administered to some people. But you know, at most right now theres enough maybe to vaccinavac vaccinate 20 million, 30 million americans because each one of these vaccines requires two doses. And thats a long way from getting to 300 million americans. So as dr. Osterholm said we need a plan, we need a strategy and we need that implemented. This is going to be one of the most complicated Public Health efforts weve ever done as a country. And it is going to take a lot of time. People need to understand. So the head of the International Vaccine institute dr. Jerome kim told us today that your vaccine, early data is proof of concept but his overall caution was look, we dont know everything yet. All right . About efficacy. He said we dont need to just know efficacy at two months but at six months, at stwetwelve mo, further out. How long does this thing work for . Do you have any concerns, doctor, about how long this vaccine lasts . I mean, for sure. What weve seen today is an interim analysis. What we saw from pfizer is an interim analysis. And then we saw press releases. I as a scientist want to see the full data set. I want to see the studies completed till the end. I want to see the longterm efficacy results. And the longterm efficacy in any of the studies were following participants for up to two years to know the longterm efficacy. But at the same time we cant wait for two years to start vaccinating people. So this is a little bit of building the ship as were sailing it. Right . We have an emergency. Were going to start using the vaccine. But we also need to follow people for a long time and see what happens. But at this point in time based on what ive seen, based on what i know about the vaccines, based on the absence of side effects that ive seen, im going to be one of the first in line to be able to get the vaccine because i believe its going to be effective. All right. Thank you very much, dr. Del rio. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Okay. Next trump attack georgias recount calling it meaningless. The republican who manages georgias Voting System responds next. Plus biden warning americas economy could take a hit this winter. Were going into a very dark winter. Its going to be difficult. As trump claims he has won the election. Twice in the past 24 hours. What is the game hes playing here . Jack odonnell worked alongside him for years. Hes out front. Youre clearly someone. Who takes care of yourself. So why wait to screen for colon cancer . 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