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CNNW New Day November 25, 2014

Torched in the worst conflicts to date as outrage ran through the streets. Local authorities thought they were prepared. That tear gas would not be needed. They were wrong. Here come flashbangs and cannisters coming up at us. Were getting gas right air. Gas shot around reporters forcing the crowds to flee. Further down the street, Police Firing more tear gas. Directly into the crowd. Officers trying to disburse the crowd, but there would be no control. I didnt see a lot of peaceful protests out there tonight what ive seen tonight is probably much worse than the worst night we ever had in august. All this because a grand jury refused to indictment officer Darren Wilson. Small groups of agitators ravaging ferguson, looting businesses and setting fire to Police Cruisers. Tears streaming down the face of Michael Browns mother after the decision was read. The grand jury deliberated over two days, they determined that no probable cause exists to file any charge against officer wilson and returned a no troo bill on each of the five indictments. Browns parents saying quote were profoundly disappointed that the killer of our child will not face the consequence of his actions. Officer Darren Wilsons lawyers releasing a statement officer wilson followed his training, followed the law. Minutes after word of the grand jury decision, president obama called for peace. Hurting others or destroying property is not the answer. Prosecutors released all evidence presented to the grand jury, 24 volumes of transcripts reviewed by the 12 grand jurors, seven men, nine women, nine white three black. Photos of officer wilson taken immediately after he fatally shot the unarmed black teen six times. More photos of the scene itself. We know wilson testified when he first saw brown and his friend walking in the middle of the road on the morning of august 9th he yells quote, hay guys, why dont you guys walk on the sidewalk. And wilson testified that brown slammed the patrol car door. These photos showing a swollen right cheek, scratches on the back of his neck. Wilson says after a tussle over his gun, and two shots fired in the car, brown takes off. Wilson pursuing him down the street yelling, get on the ground. The teen eventually stops, turns towards the officer with quote an aggressive face. Officer wilson says brown then charges him. And when brown was only eight to ten feet away, the officer fires two fatal shots. Hitting him in the head. The word of officer Darren Wilsons testimony has only led to more and more questions here about whether the story makes sense. But bottom line, it seemed to make sense to the grand jury, because it was probably the most powerful piece of evidence they were presented with. What we also know for sure is in response protests. Theyre getting so intense and so dangerous in ferguson that firefighters who were trying to respond to the fires, had to flee, leaving their hoses behind. Protests werent just here, they flared up in cities across the country, including los angeles, seattle, chicago, philadelphia and new york city. Lets bring in stephanie elam, shes been in ferguson all night. Stephanie first of all, are you okay . I know you got hit last night. I wasnt with you, but i was hearing it as we were doing our reporting. Youre doing okay this morning . Yeah, no, were fine. Other than being cold, we really cant complain, chris, thanks for asking. While were out there, the one thing was really clear about what we could see there was no one in control for a good part of what was happening here in ferguson. Peaceful protests erupting into chaos. After the announcement of no indictment. What are you saying . That our lives are not equal . Our lives are not worthy . Not even day in court . Thats what you just said. Its another example of a miscarriage of justice. Angry protesters clashing with police hurling bottles, rocks and bricks at officers and the media. People are throwing stuff at me right now. Its that kind of scene out here right now. Protesters attacking police cars, shattering the window of this cruiser as cops run in with guns drawn to disburse them. But mayhem on the streets looking like a war zone. Gunshots ringing out throughout the night. Flames engulfing several police cars, buildings ablaze, roaring out of control. Some burning to the ground. Firefighters stretched thin with the number of fires erupting and moving out fearing their own safety. Widespread looting, several businesses vandalized, including ferguson market and liquor, where brown had allegedly stolen cigars before his death. You need to get out of the street or you will be subject to arrest. Police in riot gear and armored trucks, firing tear gas and smoke bombs into crowds refusing to disburse, forcing demonstrators to run. Anger and frustration about the grand jury decision spreading across the country. Protesters in chicago facing off with police as they voiced their anger. In new york, massive crowds marching through manhattan, reaching three major bridges with one known arrest. Protesters in times square even throwing fake blood at new York Police Commissioner bill bratton. Demonstrators gathering outside the white house, weaving together on the ground along pennsylvania avenue in oakland,le california, protesters shut down the expressway, lying down inside chalk outlines drawn on the streets. A similar scene in seattle, where demonstrators dropped to the ground. The man who simmered tensions this summer urging restraint in the aftermath of chaos. We definitely have done something here. That is going to impact our community for a long time. Thats not how we create change. Change is created through our voice and not through destruction of our community. Nevertheless, no matter how you break it down, a very disappointing, very upsetting end to this evening. A day that people had been waiting for for so long to find out what the fate of Darren Wilson would be and chris, when you look at it i really cant see any way you can find a win anywhere all this. It looks like everyone is losing something after how everything played out today. Thats tough to disagree with, and you know hopefully we have seen the worst of it. But you just cant know right now. Lets discuss with some of the people who were playing roles here last night we have pastor robert white, with the peace of mind church of happiness here in ferguson. We also have liz brown a columnist with the st. Louis american. The citys largest africanamerican newspaper. Now rev, its good to see youre safe this morning. I was here with you last time. You played a very Important Role in organizing protests, keeping it sill on the ground. Different situation last night. Very different. And you were surprised by it. How so . Well the biggest surprise, chris is that after all the planning from august to now, after all the conversations with lawmakers, i put it like one of the clergy person said last night were mad as hell. Were mad because we tried to put ourselves on the line to help protect our citizens. But we were not involved in that conversation about the planning, that captain johnson and the chief and Governor Nixon talked about. They said we were going to be safe. They said they were going to protect our buildings and protect our businesses, and yet, the city is up in flames and particularly not on south florrisant road, but the west florrisant road, the blackonblack businesses. It seems that the community was going after its own with the blackowned businesses. Why do that . Chris, you and i, we got tear gassed, i was right behind you when the tear gas started. There was a huge concentration of officers, you guys need to be over on west florrisant where the crowds were alet more rowdy and rioting and looting. Anger doesnt have a conscience, once people were outraged and running, theyre going to go after whatever is within arms reach. So what happened was the clergy men and women on the line trying to help protesters, we became targets, we heard captain johnson tell us, if youre going to do what you tell us, youre a threat to us. Captain johnson had has a lot of explaining to do. He didnt answer questions a lot. What he showed us last night was an aboutface of what were used to. He was treating you like the enemy you said to me before. I was told if i took one more step to the left. He said have that man arrested and i said are you kidding me . And he said try me. A very different person in the guy ive been in numerous meetings with trying to create peace. No question tensions were very high. Liz, lets bring you in here. The feeling on the ground was that they were not ready for what happened last night. There was a lot of anticipation that there would not be an indictment. As a result, there would be a lot of anger and hostility among people here. And yet it didnt seem they were ready to get out to the fires. It didnt seem they were ready to move the crowds the way we might have hoped. Your take . Its just, its stunning, actually and its actually an even though there wasnt an indictment of Darren Wilson last night there was an indictment of Law Enforcement, there was an indictment of Governor Nixon. There was an indictment of Bob Mccullough. There was an indictment of claire mccaskill, all political leadership. Its stunning to consider that the governor said, in a preemptive way, im going to bring in the National Guard. Well, where were they last night . Right. Where were they last night . This is an indictment of everybody who, they all knew this was coming. It wasnt like Bob Mccullough found out last week there was going to be an indictment. He knew from jump there was going to be an indictment. So did every other person in Law Enforcement. The fact that they allowed buildings to burn. The fact there were no National Guard, even though there was a big use of the National Guard before, there was no National Guard in ferguson. How do you explain that . A building burned before, what did you not anticipate that another building could burn . Its just, its just inexplicable and its awful. Its, your videopoint is understandable. But theres some context thats necessary. The National Guard became a metaphor for being overly aggressive and there were all of these calls for them to be kept back, for them not to be kept here. So hindsight is 20 20, saying they should have been here and more active. Then why make the comment, why use the National Guard as a way to, to try to tamp peoples actions down . Either theyre there or theyre not. Either youre in it or youre not. You cant halfstep the protection of a community. Cant halfstep it youre either in or out. We were told the National Guard was going to be specifically used to protect businesses so the police can police. If the National Guard is sitting at command center and not out in the streets they could have been on west florrisant avenue and protected those blackonblack businesses rather than being post active. The way that the buildings were protected in south florrisant. Do you think this was just a failure to anticipate it, reverend . Do you think this was intentional . Why would it be . As a lead anywhere this community, we dont condone violence, we dont condone any of the actions that the people have done. But what we have to look at is all of us as leaders have failed. We failed to plan properly and be prepared as you said on both sides of the fence. Because if those conversations would have allowed us to be a part of it, then maybe we could have helped captain balmer and chief balmer and all of those folks involved. Well youre touching on something thats painfully apparent, liz, and let me come back to you for the final part of the conversation. The need for leadership, its horrible whats happened to destruction of property. Thank god there werent more people hurt last night. People keep likening this to the l. A. Riot. There was nothing like this last night there were 100 people killed, thank god there was nothing like that last night. Its going to be easier to rebuild buildings than to rebuild what you need most in this community which is the relationship between elect ed officials, your police, and the community theyre supposed to be serving and the question is when do you think that begins, liz . I dont know when it begins. Because the challenge to the beginning of a heal, is the acknowledgement of the harm or the injury that has occurred. And when you listen to the words of Bob Mccullough last night, there was no true acknowledgement of the crime that was committed against Michael Brown. There was no acknowledgement or understanding of what that felt like, what that feels like to the africanamerican community. That an unarmed africanamerican teenager walking away with his hands up, was gunned down and the guy who did it will not face trial. And he will not face trial because the fix was in with the grand jury. If you dont understand what that says, what that means to the community, how can healing ever begin . Liz, i understand your perspective, weve discussed this many times. But also, you have to have faith in the system. The grand jury had it, they deliberated. We dont know what their vote was. But we do know they didnt find a true bill. Saying that the fix is in certainly the prosecutor is not going to apologize for a crime when the grand jury just said there was no probable cause to believe that a crime was committed. The questions remain and so does the doubt. Look, liz, well continue this conversation, but i want to move through the news events of the morning and ill have you back on, you know that. Because its a very important conversation. I know that, thank you. Liz, thank you very much. Rev, youve been good it me, you protected me here, your leadership is needed, ill see you back out there, hopefully both of you dont have much to do. Alisyn, back to you in new york. We want to stay with you for a little while, because we want to hear hat scene was like there last night. We know you were in the middle of it and have been for many hours, take us through it. Describe what you found when you landed there in ferguson. All right now you had system where lets just be honest, there was a lot of feeling that there wasnt going to be an indictment. Why . Because of everything we were hearing. And certainly on the ground people seemed expectant of disappointment, okay . But then once youre actually disappointed, everything changes. There were a lot of people, theres a lot of hostility and the image of what they fear and theyre angry about is now in their face, its the Police Officers, and they had better restraint than i saw last time. They seemed to be more organized. But what happened was, they said they wouldnt need tear gas, that they had done training and they had other tactics and methods and the National Guard to help the property. So we werent as equipped and neither were the protesters to deal with what the nature of pushback would be. All of a sudden, as the line, the phalanx of officers starts to get tested, tear gas just comes raining down, flashbangs, noisemaking disruptive devices to disburse a crowd. And then it was literally you know the most overused word in a riot situation chaos. There was no angry horde attacking them and frankly, the police were not becoming an army attacking themselves. I didnt see any violent altercations where we were. But the tear gas was completely debilitating to people. And it continued again and again, wave after wave throughout the night. And it created a very hostile situation, guys. Did it seem like an overreaction on the part of Law Enforcement to you or no . Its a hard judgment, mick. Because its easy for me to say, did i like being teargassed . New york city did i and all the people around me wish it didnt happen . Yes. But people werent getting out of the street. There did seem to be a little bit of a misunderstanding. In talking with the rev before, they werent allowed to be on the street protesting. They were allowed to be on the sidewalks. People didnt seem to get that they seem to be very confused on why they were being told to move. They said we have a right to assemb assemble. But the cops said yeah, but not right here. They were firing bean bags in the crowd to get you away with the least violence necessary. You know, did they have to do that . Well, whats the alternative . Did they need to use the tear gas . Whats the alternative . That was the problem last night. And it kept spiraling with the fires and the First Responders couldnt get to them. But the good news is, and thats going to be a really stretched term right now i didnt see people getting hurt. The way i feared they would. When it started to happen, alisyn and mick, i thought there was going to be a lot of bloodshed here. Im really pleased to hear that. As you said, it will be an interesting definition of good news, but the fact that there werent lives lost and people werent severely injured, thats something we have to acknowledge. One positive. Were going to be going back to you throughout the show. Then we have this bombshell were hearing for the first time officer Darren Wilsons account of the fatal Michael Brown shooting. We have his grand jury testimony. It is now public. So we will read to you why wilson says he had no choice, but to shoot the unarmed teenager, next. And was there a deciding factor that kept the grand jury from indicting wilson . Well put that question to our legal experts, ahead. Theres a lot of testimony to go through, but it does seem that the factor that was the biggest for them, was the testimony of Darren Wilson. We have ana cabrera here. We hadnt heard from him before, but we know he testified in great detail and we know what he said. We have not seen officer Darren Wilson or heard from him in person even after the grand jury came back with a no indictment. He has been living a life in large part in secrecy. Ever since the fatal day and clearly hes not really welcome by many people in his community. Th

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