More than 30 surface missiles 15 aircraft. But still no sign. No concrete sign of what may have happened to 8501 the frustration of the family the passengers are growing. The morning, grim few details as the search for air asia polite 8501 continues. Investigators think the plane is likely on the bottom of the sea, based on coordinates of the planes last emission. Its been crisis central. The distraught relatives of the 155 passengers briefed here earlier today behind closed doors. Monday marks the first full day of searching since 8501 disappeared early sunday morning. So far the plane has not put out own e any signals to pinpoint its location. Instead, Police Search on this Shallow Waters where the plane was last tracked. The airbus a 3 fwen township320 took off. Usually its not one thing that brings down a plane. For a strong big jetliner to be brought down by turbulence is rare. Reporter one theory is the plane may have stalled trying to get to high altitude. This air traffic reporter seems to report that. What it shows is this particular flight had an altitude of 36,000 photoand climbing but traveling at aproblemsa105 Miles Per Hour. Reporter we do know at 6 12 a. M. One of the pilots radio took permission to climb from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet it would be the last known communication from the crew. We are very devastated about whats happened. Its unbelievable. We do not know what happened yet. We will await the investigation to find out what happened. To these two teenage girls whose parents were aboard the flight, all they can do is wait holding on to hope that their families will soon be found. So many stories of sadness. 150 passengers or indonesians, the families of these passengers are getting increasingly frustrated. They are asking by authorities, mikaela, if they can bring if pictures of their loved ones or samples that will contain dna, obviously, authorities are preparing for the worse, some Still Holding hope against hope its seems increasingly unlikely mikaela. Its heart breaking to hear of tear grief and anxiety. We thank you for that. We know several other companies have joined the missing plane, including australia. Indonesia, rather reaped out to countries like the u. S. For under water search technology. We want to turn to Paula Hancocks who is live now from the stageing area in indonesia with more we know Daylight Hours are waning now, paula. Reporter thats right, you can see dusk is falk here. Its falk for a second day. So the air search is effectively over. We seen the past couple of hours here its been very quiet. We havent seen helicopters and planes landinged we have throughout the day t. Ships in the java sea can stay there. It is very difficult to see anything in the pitch black. So obviously, a very disappointing end to the second day for the relatives and the passengersened the crew. We did speak to the head of the search and operation here. Its one of the islands closest to the last area that this plane was known to have been in. The last point of contact and he basically says that they dont know at this point where the exact sloex. They dont have the data to pin point. Where they should be looking. So they have a 240 fought cal mile area. A huge area that they are combing through at the moment. Thank you so much for the latest information on this search. It is such an excrushiateing way for the familyings of the 162 people on board this flight relativings crying begging to know the fate of their loved one, so many tears. This as the demand to answers now is the unknown, lets go to will ripley live in beijing tracking the family stories, good morning, will. Reporter john good morning, and there are 154 people still missing here in china. Toe, of course passengers of flight 370 and the families of those people know perhaps better than almost anyone else what this ordeal is like. This has become front page news. Its all over the newspapers and television here in china and a headline right next to the missing plane is how this has brought people back to that day in early march when flights disappeared and family members waiting ten monthings, not knowing what happened to their loved one sitting and watching the coverage and sobbing because it makes them feel like its going all over again. They know what the families are going through. Its a sad detail for many of those family thank you so much. We want to turn to our cnn safety analyst here also a former faa safety inspector and author of why planes crash, two gentleman we turn to in times like this. David, i want to start with you, we heard that indonesian search and rescue officials are effectively saying they believe our early conjecture is the plane is at the bottom of the sea according to a coordinant they last received. What coordinant could they be talking about here . This could be the last information abc the eight where it was, either from secondary radar or the atsb that would have told them where it was tets i lost communication. Richard, we know of this area where a lots of comparison itself are made between mh3 sfevenlths this area was traveled and its Shallow Water. Does its surprise you that it hasnt been found yet . No, even though its a smaller area, you have to get the boat itself and the ships there, you are still looking for fairly small objects if a rather large sea. The issue will of course be whether or not the plane i dont mean to put it uncoinedly whether it broke up in the air and you are looking at lots of debris or when it hit the water, in which case it will be a smaller debris field. Those are things they will be looking for. I am more confident they will find something sooner. I dont think its going to be that long a search. We know issue was an issue for the flight itself. Talk to us about the weather. If the weather wasnt bad, we heard there were terrible thunderstorms in the area. Would they have been bad enough to prevent the plane from taking off to begin with . They werent. Obviously, they have that information before they take off. They wont take off knowing that could was there, that they couldnt pass it. But these clouds change very quickly. By the time you went over the cloud, knowing where the top was, the top could be climbing at a rate quicker than you are. Lets stay with that a second, hoy badly, i think so many of us that fly, it makes us nervous when we experience that turbulence when there is a thunderstorm or something in the area that, bad weather, how bad does it have to get and could a thunderstorm bring down an airplane in. Its extremely rare. Ive only done one investigation in which it brought it down. It was a much smaller aircraft much more susceptible to that type of weather. Its very rare it would happen. The Destructive Testing which i did early in my career to try to break airplane wings literally, they touch each other before they break. Could they take out an engine . An engine is less likely than that. The only thing it might cause is an engine stall, when its disrupted either by hail or some kind of a crosswind flow or a stall. That kind of thing can happen. Engines recover from that. Again, thats less likely than in a thunderstorm. We know these new jets so much more advanced than they used to be and you heard them say it takes more than one thing, richard, to bring a jet down. Lets talk about the other aspects him we know this plane went from 38,000 feet to 32,000 feet. Then there was about a fourminute gap before the plane dropped off the radar. What does that tell you . What questions does it where i to mind . I think you might have misstone. It was going from 32 to 38. Pardon me. So were all the same. Yeah the plane was climbing at the time and there is this now radar picture that suggests the speed has bled off and was now dangerously slow. These are valuable clues, to what david was saying the weather, itself, doesnt bring down the plane. The plane is built to hand him that. What happens is its how everything responds to it. How the aircraft respond, do any systems fail . The pilots have to respond to. Here we have a situation we believe the plane is climbing venlg we know that for a fact. It appears it might have been going too slow. En the have you this gap where maybe the aircraft stalled. By stalling of course just to clarify. We are not talking here about the engine stopping stalling of a car, for example, we are talking about the aerodynamics of the wing where there is not enough air flow over the wing to create lift. That in aviation is known as the stall. As you mentioned, you looked at the mechanismal aspects of the plane. You looked at the experience of the pilot. What do we know of the experience of these pilots . The airasia puts out a statement saying the captain had 6,000 hours, a total of 6,000 hours. In an early fe tom none the chief executive said in all he had 20,000 hours. So were not quite sure exactly where that stand at the moment whether its 20 or whether its 6. The first officer had 2andahalf,000 hours of flight. So at those sort of levels and bearing in mind they were experience ltd. D pilots in that part of the area they would have been familiar with the bad weather that you, picture and those violent storms that can come up quickly. We know the airlines was impeccable before this. We havent heard of the emergency locator beacons, what do you make of that . They are for submergible accident or a break up of the thing. So interesting. We have all been talking about the comparisons we were just here with mh370. We got to know you so well with all the cover annual we did with that. During that conversation, we talked about the need the track these planes every second of the day. Here we are again. You know, thats so incredibly frustrating for me and for everyone the families everyone else its information that we had back at air france 447. The recommendation was made then. The recommendation was on the table before 447 about streaming this information. If we had streaming information on 447, it wouldnt make a difference. If we had streaming on 370, it would have made a difference. Now we are trying to find an aircraft out there and let families suffer during this time is just occurred to me that this hasnt been done yet. Richard, i thought about that its days after christmas. Just before the new 84. We have 100something odd families now groveing as they wait for answers. You feel, though even though the search is likely the air search is going to be called off because of fight falling. You feel answers should be coming soon . Yeah experience tells me that this particular part of the sea is not going to be its going to be challenging. If theyve got good primary, secondary, atsb radar that they know roughly, theyre really working out where its likely to have come down and first object to find. Frankly, lets remember we do only have mh370 as the only case where nothings ever been found. So common sense tells us its going to be very briefly, very quickly on davids point about tracking radar. 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So joining me to talk about this is cnn meteorologist chad myers, also director of special projects at oceanic institution, chad i want to start with you with this latest information we are getting, reportedly a screen grab from air Traffic Control which show this flight 8501 rising in altitude perhaps rising too slowly at that altitude why would that be a concern . Lets break this down for you. Im going to take you where you are at 36,000 feet and give you a Division Number for how much air is up there. You go to the top of the mountain there is not much oxygen up there. There is 25 of the air at the surface. If that plane was going 353 knots, multiply that by 25 . They expect that airplane to fly at 100 Miles Per Hour at the surface. An a320 doesnt fly at 100 Miles Per Hour. Even at full flaps. Its the air the speed, you have to keep those constant. This plane was going too slowly for that altitude. We have all been if airplane in airplanes when it starts to get bumpy. He bleeds off speed to make that ride better. If this was either pile error, computer error, you get into that vertical instability up and down maybe they have icing on them as well all of a sudden were talking about not one thing will bring down any one aircraft but you put all those three things together all of a sudden we have a problem. The pilot was talking there was very little margin dealing with speed at that altitude t. Speed issue aside, david gal low, we should say you thread search efforts for air flight france 447 which disappeared in the atlantic. All that aside, weather has been the main focus here. Because the pilots relatively experienced the aircraft itself relatively new t. Airline with a flewless safety weather t. Pilot said they were concerned about the weather. Do you see a comparison between this flight and what you studied in air France Flight 447 . Sure absolutely. In many ways its the same situation. They were approaching in fact the same tuned i kind of intertropical convergence cell. In the case of air france 447, they did get icing and the pilots pulled back on that aircraft airbus 330 into a stall. It was that handoff between the computer saying i cant handle the spurious information. You fly the plane, where things started going wrong. We heard from richard and mary schiavo about how these compiled to cause a disaster. So there are some similarities in that regard. Common weather conditions and equipment malfunction with pilot decision there all added up . Its not a matter of shaking the plane apart. Its just causing enough Bad Information so now the computer says i cant deal with this you fly the plane. If they dont make the right moves right off the bat, things can go from bad to worse very quickly. Lets take closer look at the weather, itself what were the condition these pilots were facing asked to mo