Trying to change the Election Results in georgia. The president also called the secretary of states top investigator who was investigating allegations of voter fraud in that state. He told him that he would be a National Hero if indeed he did so. Weekly tallies of covid19 have never been higher. Already more than 2 million new covid cases have been confirmed this month. What im concerned about is that there is still a population of folks that are super anxious about this vaccine and most likely thats the population that needs it the most. Announcer this is new day weekend with Victor Blackwell and christi paul. I hope the sun is rising wherever you are. We are waking up to some new friction, growing friction, it seems, between the president and his Vice President. Yeah, a source close to Vice President mike pence tells cnn that invoking the 25th amendment to remove trump from office is still on the table. Now, another source says the two have not even spoken since the attack. Also hanging over the west wing, impeachment. A House Democrat leading that effort says the article against trump for incitement of insurrection has 180 democratic cosponsors and some republicans to sign on, too. The plan is to introduce that resolution tomorrow. The question is, is there enough time to do so . Republican senator pat toomey says the president , quote, committed impeachable offenses but he doesnt think its possible or practical, he says, to force him out early at this point. We have so much to get to. Cnns Sarah Westwood is at the white house right now. We know that the Vice President and president , as we said, they are not talking. The 25th amendment back on the table according to the Vice President. What do you know about the mood and what is happening at the west wing right now . Reporter well, the relationship between President Trump and Vice President pence appears to be at an alltime low after four years of the two of them never publicly disagreeing on anything at all. These tensions are spilling into public view after the events of wednesday. Like you guys mentioned, they havent spoken since that day and President Trump did not call to check on the Vice President a as he was hiding in the capitol from the insurrectionists ho were storming the building, some calling his name. Trump has also not commented publicly on the Death Threats that have been directed at pence on social media. President trump is said to be angry that pence performed his constitutional duty to certify the Election Results, did not give in to the president s demands to circumvent that process. Pence is said to be disappointed and saddened by the president s behavior so far. So a rare rift between the two of them. Deepening that is the fact that pence has said he will attend president elect bidens inauguration on january 20th, and trump used one of his final tweets before his twitter account was taken away to announce he would not attend the inauguration, becoming the first sitting president since 1869 to is skip the inauguration of his successor. Pence is also not taking the 25th amendment off the table. Pence aides acknowledge there are risks to keeping that option alive and to impeachment, that the president could behave more erratically, but the option is preserved in order to ensure if trumps behavior is more erratic, there are options to get him out of office. Lets talk about the potential impeachment trial over in the senate and the Legal Options for the president. Reporter victor, we ne that President Trump is considering Rudy Giuliani and Alan Dershowitz to join his Legal Defense team for impeachment. Its notable because Rudy Giuliani has played a leading role in promoting the conspiracy theories that are at the heart of the reason why trump is being impeached in the first place. This legal team will look different than the one that defended him before the first impeachment. People like jay sekulow and white House CounselPat Cipollone are not expected to participate. Cipollone is considering resigning after this weeks events. This is a very real threat to the president. Different from last time given that we know some republicans are even considering joining the democratic effort to impeach him. Sarah westwood at the white house. Thanks so much. Also new this morning, House Speaker nancy pelosi is telling lawmakers to prepare to return to washington next week. That is of course another sign that House Democrats most likely are going to move to impeach the president. Cnn National Correspondent susan malvo is on capitol hill. This is moving forward, moving forward quickly. And i want, if you can, discuss if there is going to be expansion. We heard from leader clyburn he potentially wants the georgia call included there. Reporter thats right. It could be numerous accounts on these articles offiimpeachment. Some feel they should move as quickly as possible. We heard from Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying stand by, be ready to tlaravel to washington for a potential vote. That vote could be on that article of impeachment, the incitement of an insurrection. Its tvery clear that House Democrats and quietly some republicans at least want something, something done to hold the president accountable. As you know, the house has the sole power of impeachment. So that is one of the options here. It is not the first option that nancy pelosi would like. She would rather see the president resign or have the Vice President the majority of the cabinet invoking that 25th amendment. But that is not likely. Heres what she is saying to her colleagues. She says its absolutely essential that those who perpetrated the assault on our democracy be held accountable. There must be a recognition that this desecration was instigated by the president. There are many people who believe that that, in fact, is the case, and republicans have also been speaking out saying, yes, the president must be held accountable. By here is where they differ. They have not ex pilot italy said that impeachment is the way to go. Some are saying invoke the 25th amendment, resignation, impeachable offenses. We dont know if any republicans would sign off on this. There are signs a great disapproval of the president s behavior, pat toomey is one of them. I have so say i think the president s behavior this week does disqualify him from serving. We have ten days left. He is not going to be serving after that time. One of the things i am concerned about is whether the house would complete willy politicize something. I think the president committed impeachable offenses but i dont know what is going to land on the senate floor, if anything. Reporter the House Intelligence Committee chief adam schiff, who was the one who brought up the last case of impeachment against the president in 2019, has expressed some concerns about the possibility of whether or not the new president , joe biden, would be able to accomplish the things that he need to accomplish in the first weeks and months of his presidency with this impeachment trial, if it were to go forward. Others are saying the same. And then there is a small group of republicans, a letter sent to the president elect biden led by representative ken buck, a republican of colorado, and his colleagues imploring the new president to ask nancy pelosi to stand down with the impeachment inquiry saying they think its unnecessary and that it is not it would be inflammatory in terms of trying to bring people together. Victor, christi. We have two experts to walk us through. Michel moore, former u. S. Attorney for the middle district of georgia and norm eisan, served as counsel during the first, i guess we call it the first impeachment of President Trump. Also a former u. S. Ambassador to the czech republic. Gentlemen, welcome back, and good morning to you. Good morning to you. Good morning. Michael, starting with you. I will give you two names. I want you just to respond. Alan dershowitz, Rudy Giuliani as potentially the attorneys who defend the president in this upcoming very likely impeachment. I think probably just to say that the circus continues. Probably get some better hair dye. That would be my response. This is just a joke. I mean, you know, you are taking somebody who has been so instrumental in spreading the lies, the mistruths. He has gone around the country and lost all essentially credibility with the courts. You have watched a guy fall from some height of reputation down to really sort of the bottom of the stack. And i think even the idea that he would appear in something this serious, we are talking about constitutional provisions and insurrection, makes just sort of further, perpetrates the joke that the president s case is. And, ambassador eisan, the idea that giuliani would be representing the president to defend him against in incitement of insurrection charge went on that same stage, Rudy Giuliani suggested trial by combat. Rudy giuliani has been the president s hinch man for the insurrection, including the pattern of lies that have gone on, victor, for months, which have inflamed people, deluded them and falsely made them believe that the election was stolen when no such thing happened. That drove that rage of the protesters, as well as giulianis words and trumps. So to have giuliani appear now as your lawyer is really just pouring gasoline on on a burning flame. He should be there as a witness to the insurrection. Not as a lawyer. You wrote a piece for the Washington Post this weekend and the title is the riot happened because the senate acquitted trump and you ended with this. Perhaps, speaking of the senators, republicans mostly, perhaps they have learned a lesson from last year, even if the president has not. Do you think there is a plausible twothirds vote to convict once the dems take control . Well, as a trial lawyer, one of our adages is you never know what is going to happen until you go to trial. And i wont predict now if we can get the twothirds that we need. Wed need to pick up the 17 from the Republican Party to convict. But, victor, we have never had a president who has done anything like this. I wouldnt have thought he could have done worse than what we impeached him for, the ukraine call and his misconduct. Now he has led a violent insurrection against his own government. The words are clear. The images are there for everybody to see. So weve seen some statements from republican senators. And if he is put on trial with impeachment charges, we will have to wait and see how that turns out. Michael, the White House Team reports that the president has talked with his aides about the ability to pardon himself. Since 2017, the beginning of this administration. What is your view on his ability to pardon himself specifically in connection with what happened on wednesday . Well, the question of a selfpardon is so are the of up in the air. The courts havent addressed it. I have some questions on whether or not it would extend to the point of a president essentially trying to overthrow his own government. When you read the constitution, you read those sections and you look at sort of the framer documents that are there, the documents from the founding fathers, you see that the effort was to avoid a mondayock. And so my believe is when you really get into the law, you will see hopefully some of the many judges that the president has appointed, they consider themselves strict constructionists and federalists, they will look back at that and say, in essence, not have an allpowerful king. That would mean you couldnt have someone to come in, overthrow his own government, move forward. If he was being impeached, he sent a bomb down to the u. S. Senate so they couldnt vote on impeachment. Could he pardon himself for that . I think the clear answer is no. When you take an extreme like that, you have somebody here who has clearly been involved in inciting an insurrection who has encouraged his people to do violent acts. I have a hard time believing the courts would stand for that. Michael, we know of a second there is so much a second call from President Trump to georgia officials about trying to overturn the election. He reportedly told an elections investigator in cobb county to, quote, find the fraud, and then that person would be a National Hero. I want you to listen to House Majority whip James Clyburn on how that should play in what happens over the next few days. I am getting a little sick and tired of us allowing things like that just let it go. We should not let that go. That is very fundamental. So if you are going to have articles of impeachment, i think its got to cover that action as well. This is not just about trump. This is about this democracy that we all hold dear. And we ought not ignore what he attempted to do with that vote down in georgia. I am going to come to both of you with this. First, michael, first, do you think thats the right way to go, and does that complicate, obviously, the timeline, but any possibility of conviction . Absolutely i agree with him. Its the right way to go. I filed a complaint with the state elections board over the same thing when he called the secretary of state. Then you had the president speak, obviously, to an investigator claiming he is a hero. Now he calls the secretary to pressure him, both with criminal prosecution, a godfather sort of type call out there. I think its the right way to go. To answer your second question, it will not slow things down because these are state offenses. You can have a state prosecutor here in georgia look at the calls, look at the efforts to subvert the election process, to influence an election official, and they could be moving on a separate track rather than the impeachment track dealing with the insurrection. There are two distinct happenings. They are two distinct prosecutors. They are two distinct jurisdictions. There is no reason that cant go on simultaneously and they should go on with it. Mr. Ambassador . Well, you do have both federal and state Election Fraud potential crimes in virtue of the president s calls into georgia. The most outrage us is the raffensperger call, the demand to find over 11,000 votes. Exactly one more than needed to deliver the election. And then the threat of criminal prosecution. That plugs into the impeachment because its part of the pattern, maybe the worst part of the pattern of stoking these, this theory that the election was stolen, that led to the violent mob whipped up by the president. But it can be prosecuted under federal and state law, and i think is it should be criminally investigated. I agree with michael. Fast. We are going to wrap up here, but just a couple of seconds. Mr. Ambassador, you were participating the first impeachment. Do you know, have you been asked to participate in what could be the second impeachment . Well, i am not going to get into the plans for what the next impeachment may be. Lets see how that plays out, whether impeachment, 25th amendment. Lets see how that plays out in the days ahead. All right. Thank you very much. Michel moore and former ambassador norm eisan. Thank you both. Great to be with you. The ambassador is the author of the dangerous case of donald trump on the 25th amendment. So, pfizer says its ready to meet the demand of the biden administration. The drugmaker prepared, they say, to release millions of doses of its coronavirus vaccine. The question is, how could that complicate the goal of getting everyone the second dose that they need . Plus, more arrests have been made in connection with the riots on wednesday, including this man. He was happily trying to carry out speaker pelosis lectern. The latest on the search for more suspects. We have got that next. My hygienist cleans with a round head, so does my oralb. My hygienist personalizes my cleaning, so does my oralb. My hygienist uses just the right pressure, and so does my oralb. 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