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CNNW New Day With Alisyn Camerota And John Berman October 16, 2019

The midwest are so frustrated with washington in general and capitol hill in particular. Your signature is to have a plan for everything. Mayor Pete Buttigieg is standing by live to talk to us in just a moment about that moment. Also breaking overnight, cnn has learned that representative alexandria ocasiocortez, a big star of the progressive movement, is gearing up to endorse senator Bernie Sanders on saturday. Representatives ilhan omar and Rashida Tlaib are expected to join her. How will their support change the race and perhaps affect some of those progressive voters supporting Elizabeth Warren. A brandnew poll. This shows numbers on impeachment. The just released gallop poll finds 52 of americans favor the impeachment and removal of President Trump. Thats up from 45 in june. Just about two hours from now, a former Senior Adviser to secretary of state mike pompeo is expected to testify behind closed doors in the impeachment inquiry. A state Department Official testified yesterday that he was told to lay low after complaining about Rudy Giulianis efforts to undermine u. S. Foreign policy in ukraine. Well have more on all of that in a moment. First, lets talk about last nights debate. Joining sus2020 president ial candidate and south bend indiana mayor, Pete Buttigieg. Great to have you here. Good to be with you. Thanks for having me. Lets talk about that moment we just played in our intro where you went at it with senator Elizabeth Warren about her medicare for all plan. And you wanted a simple yes or no of will she raise taxes . And what she ended up saying, time and again, was, americans household costs will come down with her plan. What does it matter to you what bucket it comes out of . Well, not only is it important to have yes or no answers to yes or no questions at a time when people are so frustrated with washington speak, but also theres still been no explanation for a multitrilliondollar hole in this plan. I have a lot of respect for senator warren, but last night she was more specific and forthcoming about the number of selfies shes taken than about how this plan is going to be funded. And thats a real problem, especially when theres a better way to deliver Health Care Coverage to everybody. What most americans want is to have an opportunity to walk away from their private plan, to have that, what i call medicare for all who want it alternative, but also to be able to keep their private plan if they would prefer. And i think thats the right answer, especially when you do the math and realize its also an answer that is paid for, unlike the medicare for all, whether you want it or not plans that still have this giant question mark over how its supposes to work. When she says that middle class families will have more money in their pocketbook because Health Care Costs will come down under her plan, you dont believe her . Well, the important thing is that Health Care Costs will go down under my plan, too, without blowing a multitrilliondollar hole in the treasury. And also without commanding millions of americans to abandon their private plan, whether they want to or not. Look, i think the public plan were going to create, that medicare for all who want is, i think it will be better than most of the private plans and most americans will opt to cross over and accept that plan. But im not going to order you to do it. Lets leave the choice with you. Leave the choice with the American People and trust them to make the right decision for their health and for their family. Before we get back to more of the substance on display last night, i want to ask you about the style because there have been various pundits who commented last night and this morning that you seemed to take a different tact last night. That you went in in a more fiery fashion to confront some of your rivals. Im just wondering if that was your strategy last night. Well, my strategy was to get a message out about where america is headed and what kind of president were going to need. And certainly express that the best that i could on the debate stage. Look, this is not just about who has the best policy, although, of course, i believe my policy plans are the right ones for america. This is about who is going to be able to pick up the pieces and move the country forward after the Trump Presidency comes to an end. Everybody on that stage is competing to be the first president of the posttrump era. And that means making sure that we can advance these bold initiatives. Make no mistang. What im proposing from health care to immigration to climate is bold. But also to do it in a way thats going to unify the American People. When we know that by the time the Trump Presidency ends, one way or the other, were going to be even more divided, even more polarized, even more torn apart by politics than we are right now. And that means being able to fight is not enough. Weve got to be able to unite as well. And did you feel you were more fiery last night . You know, definitely get fired up talking about these issues and making clear where i stand and making clear why. So folks had a chance to see why i care so much about this. So much the better. Okay. Heres another moment where you clashed with another fellow democrat on the stage. This one former congressman beto orourke where you objected to what he was laying out for how to get assault weapons off the streets. Lets play this moment. I dont need lessons from you on courage, political or personal. The problem is not other democrats who dont agree with your particular idea of how to handle this. The problem is the National Rifle association and their enablers in congress and we should be united in taking the fight to them. When you, mayor buttigieg, describe this policy as a shiny object, that was a slap in the face to every single one of those groups and every single survivor of a mass casualty assault wths an ar15 and ar57. We must buy them back. We just had beto orourke on our show. And he basically said that theres nothing wrong with being aspirational, trying to coming up with a bold plan to get assault weapons off the streets and thats what hes doing and trying to follow the blueprint of australia thats done it in a successful way. Yeah, i think what we really need to do is remember that the obstacle to gun reform in this country is the National Rifle association and their enablers in congress. If we can deliver an assault weapons ban, red flag laws and universal background checks, that will be the biggest advancement on gun law reform in my adult lifetime. We are definitely dreaming big here. And im trying to keep the focus on what the american majority is ready to enact right now because we cant wait. Gun violence is tearing communities apart. Here we have an opportunity to get something done instead of just the talk that weve been hearing for years and years and years. Weve got to have the focus and the discipline to make that happen. What do you think changes for you and your campaign after last night . Well, certainly went very well for us, and i think is an opportunity to reach even more supporters. Were going to be in iowa later today. Continuing to press in these early states, earn more supporters, build our coalition, develop our grassroots movement, and it was just one more opportunity to get our message out about how im going to pick up the pieces as president and unify this country toward bold action to solve these big problems that arent taking a break during the impeachment process. Whats going on in washington right now is, obviously, incredibly important. Meanwhile, the need to deliver an economy that works for us, not just looks good on paper. The need to do something about Climate Change before its too late. All of these major issues from gun violence to immigration. Theyre not taking a break and im running to be the president who can drive action on that, engage the new american majority that is with us on every one of these major issues. And do it in a way thats going to unify these people. Lets talk about whats going to in washington very quickly. The in terms of the inquiry into impeachment, how long do you think at the moment, people seem to be quite engaged in all the developments. How long do you think the American Public will be engaged in terms of the timeline . When would you like to see nancy pelosi call for a vote on the articles of impeachment, if thats what theyre going to do. Ill leave the strategy to her. We need quick action as much as responsibly can take place because this is a constitutional emergency. Now a lot of obstacles are being thrown up by the president , obviously, trying to stonewall this in every possible way. I think the task for us president ial candidates is to continue to speak to why that process is important. And to offer our vision for whats going to happen in this country when the Trump Presidency comes to an end. This presidency will end one way or the other. And what we need most is a future president who can in addition to one who can beat President Trump if he is the nominee next year. Also can move the country ahead. So this process will play out, as it must. The president has Left Congress with no choice. And, really, i think what the process in washington is about is to ensure that future president s, looking back on this moment draw the lesson that no one is above the law. Instead of drawing the lesson that a president can get away with knhranything which is the message that would have been sent. Do you think President Trump is not going to be the gop nominee next year . Who knows. We have the answers that are going to serve the country well. And when this presidency comes to an end, i mean, it first, its a nice image to think about the first day after the trump administration. To think about this particular blend of chaos and corruption coming to an end. But when you really think about where the country is going to be, im picturing the dust clearing as we look at some of the rubble of our norms and institutions that have just been smashed by this president. Not to mention the destruction of american credibility and American Values abroad with moves like the betrayal of our kurdish allies in the fight against isis. Well have our work cut out for us, no matter what. Mayor Pete Buttigieg, thanks so much for being on new day. Good to be with you. Elizabeth warren being more specific about her number of selfies than her medicare for all plan. Interesting to hear that from mayor buttigieg. Senator Amy Klobuchar also took aim at senator bltelizabeth war on the debate stage. Want to give a reality check to elizabeth. Nobody on this stage wants to protect billionaires. Not even the billionaire wants to protect billionaires. Will that performance help her qualify for the next debate . Senator Amy Klobuchar joins us live, next. Carbon footprint. Can we have both . At bp, were working every day to make energy thats cleaner and better. And we see possibilities everywhere. 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And im sorry, elizabeth, but you have not said that, and i think we owe it to the American People to tell them where were going to send the invoice. Im tired of hearing whenever i say these things, oh, its republican talking points. You are making republican talking points right now in this room by coming out for a plan thats going to do that. And senator Amy Klobuchar joins us now. Good morning, senator. Thank you for being with us. Let me begin by telling you, we had an Iowa Focus Group of eight people with gary tuchman watching this debate and 5 out of the 8 people named you as either the winner or person they were most impressed with or cowinner or coperson they were most impressed with. What did you feel like you did differently in this debate . I thought that this was a lengthy debate, but it gave me an opportunity to really tell people where i was coming from. And i have done that in the other debates, specifically the last one. This one, for me, i had the time to go through so many issues, not Just Health Care but also to talk about everything from my concerns about what the president has been doing with Foreign Relations to addressing the Opioid Epidemic and longterm care. So many things that have been really left off the debate stage that matter to people in their daytoday lives. And ive been talking from the very beginning about how you have to show how youre going to pay for things because my concerns that people keep saying, hey, you can have this for free or that for free. Hey, this is free. And everyone would like things for free, but what we have to figure out as a government, how do we make sure that the people who need the help are getting it. Hard working people. And making sure they can afford to send their kids to college and that it works for everyone. And that were not, for instance, giving free college to rich kids, which is what some of these proposals do, or were not adding to the dealt like donald trump. That gave me the opportunity to talk about that. You suggested one thing youd do differently or more of what youre able to. You tell people where you came from and also spoke about where you think senator Elizabeth Warren is going. And we played the sound before of you saying at least Bernie Sanders is being honest. The implication there is that you dont believe senator warren is being honest, correct . I think the implication was, whatever adjective i used was show your math and say how youre going to pay for medicare for all. Its incredibly expensive. And it cuts 149 Million People off their Current Health insurance in four years. And thats a lot of people that would be affected. And i think that they just need to come forward. Thats what bernie did in one of the other debates. So is Elizabeth Warren not being straight . Is she not being straight about her medicare for all plan . She just needs to come out and say how shes going to pay for it. Thats all. Thats what im saying. And were waiting to see it because i have shown how im going to pay for everything ive done because im so concerned about adding to the debt. I think weve got to be really smart about this for the American People. Theres one other moment when you are talking about the wealth tax and the idea of billionaires and stigmatizing billionaires. Let me play that moment. I want to give a reality check here to elizabeth because no one on this stage wants to protect billionaires. Not even the billionaire wants to protect billionaires. We just have different approaches. Your idea is not the only idea. Why the contrast . The repeated contrast that you were trying to draw with senator warren . Again, she has repeatedly said, and i havent always had an opportunity to respond, things like, you have to show youre going to fight for things and implying very clearly that those of us who have different approaches arent fighting. Im fighting. I just think i have a better way. And what i would like to do is some very concrete things. Take the Capital Gains tax and put it at the personal income level. That would literally bring in hundreds of billions of dollars. Doing something about the hedge fund loophole. That brings in 1

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