Copies of Hillary Clintons book ahead of time that theyve recently ordered 1 million copies. Like all things clinton, this campaign seems to be highly correspohoreographed with leak leak in the book. There was mothers day, and then this tuesday authors note and on friday the chapter on benghazi. It all looks, well, political. Clinton even came out with comments on her world view one day before obama was giving a major speech on his world view. What were seeing here is a c confluence of business and politics. So i wondered how should the press treat this pr operation . Let me bring in two experts on that, two authors. First here in new york, carl bernstein. One half of the famed bernstein pair he is also author of the book women in charge. And the author of this town. Mark, let me start with you here in the studio. Do you think the press should be treating this Book Campaign as if this is the start of the president ial campaign . Oh, yeah, because the clinton people are. This has become a tradition of melding the selling of a book to and thats why midcareer cases, memoirs, and you might say this is a late career memoir, tend to be more cautiously written and marketed. Hillary seems to have this down to a science. It is. Its planned like a science, its planned with a normandy level precision, and these leaks if you call them leaks have been thought out, theyve been parcelled and weve seen them a few weeks prior. Do you see this as a start of a campaign for the presidency . Of course, unless the book turns out to be a great memoir that goes deep into selfevaluation and introspection, which the last book by Hillary Clinton was decidedly not, and i dont think we can expect this one to be, either. The term normandy is exactly right. The president ial campaign is like a war. Its fought on a huge battlefield with great dangers everywhere and all kinds of strategy required. Mark, you mentioned leaks. Whether these are leaks or not, you and i, we talked about the new york times. The it seems like their leaking out the excerpts themselves before reporters can go buy a book in the bookstore and tell us whats in it. Its strategic, its taking control of the narrative, as we say in the smartie pants world. Clearly they had a mothers day leak to vogue and so forth. Look, i mean, thats fine. I dont think a lot of this stuff has been that interesting, frankly, and maybe theres this vast bipartisan conspiracy of titillated book buyers who would disagree with me. You havent seen those people . I havent. You wrote last week, the fundamental paradox of politician books is that the more interesting they are to read, the more harmful they can be to the author if he wants another job in office. I think this is probably the more Hillary Clinton in private that we dont normally see when shes as straightjacketed as a politician should be when she has big plans for the future. Carl, what would you like to see in this book . Introspection. Her previous book had very little. My buy iography talks about her real life. The things that concerned her as a child as a wife, as a politician. Thats what we want to look at, a persons whole life, whole career, what goes deepest . And it would be great if we got this in this memoir. As i said, i think its very unlikely that were going to get that. I would hope that we get glimpses of it, and sometimes inadvertently we do get that in a politicians memoir, and certainly shes more than a conventional politician. I think its notable we learned this week shell be going on fox news to promote her book. Shell give a joint interview about a week after it comes out. Diane sawyer on abc has the first interview, shell do a lot of interviews, and shell go on fox. Thats her effort to reach out to the people who may need some. I would ask Hillary Clinton. I would try to go to the personal and the Big Questions about who she is, and deeper questions such as i asked or proposed on the spur of the moment. Something that might give her pause to think for a second in an unusual way. Let me ask you that same question. If you could pose one question to her, what would it be . I just think, if i could be completely purell, im genuineuy interested what she thought of the Monica Lewinsky piece. I thought it went to what political women think, and i would be curious on a purely personal level how she read that. And shes not been asked before the book comes out, so Diane Sawyers interview will be the first to do that. I imagine she will. That question also goes deep into Hillary Clintons past when she was the wife of the governor of arkansas and there were allegations made about bill clinton and other women, she even went so far as a lawyer at the Rose Law Firm to interview one of the women that this is relevant to who she is. I keep coming back to that phrase, who she is, her evolution. And the question of lewinsky is a connection that goes all the way back through her marriage, through her career. Its uncomfortable, but the way she has regarded and been the person who, on numerous at least four huge occasions that we know of, has saved bill clintons political career by salvaging the women hes been accused accused is not a good term of having relations with, but this has been an enterprise that has been integri integral to bill clintons survival and to their story. But again, the clintons are amazing. Weve never seen anything quite like them and we need some context about their whole story which partly is of a great love affair. Thats one thing that if you really come to understand, i think, bill and Hillary Clinton, you come away with all of the messiness of the relationship and in public. This is really a love story as well on a great number of levels. Carl bernstein, mark levovich, thanks for being with me. Thank you. Weve got lots today. Departures from the white house and Edward Snowdens big tv interview. Also this important question for every interviewer, every blogger out there. Is the media glorifying a mass murderer by showing his selfmade Youtube Video over and over again . Well tackle that one after the break. This is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. During the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. At night and when its cloudy, we use more natural gas. This ensures we can produce Clean Electricity whenever our customers need it. On car insurance. Everybody knows that. Well, did you know that game show hosts should only host game shows . Samantha, do you take kevin as your lawfully wedded husband. Or would you rather have a new caaaaaar say hello to the seasons hottest convertible. Ohhh. And say goodbye to samantha. [ male announcer ] geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 or more. We could call this next segment to air or not to air. The chill entering view of Elliot Rodger that was taped a few hours before he went on a rampage has been wired across the world now. But there are journalists who are opposed to showing his face or showing his name. Anderson cooper is one of them. I dont believe in showing his name or his picture. I believe people should remember your son and others who lost their lives. Anderson cooper said this when he reported on the Movie Theater shooting. This raises a big reliable sources question. Should we as journalists decide you dont have the right to hear or see this guy . Me and my producers talked about this beforehand and decided we should show rodger. But it is a fair question. Are we doing the right thing . Let me bring in two experts with very different opinions on this. Longtime media politics analyst jeff greenfield, who is in santa barbara, and dave collin, the author of column binebine. Thanks for joining me. Thanks. You have always avoided saying these suspects names, including this past week, with the shooting in california. Why do you do that and why should the rest of the media do it as well . Well, because i think weve had 15 years of what im calling the columbine effect of this horror thats going on and on and actually seems to be growing. We could stop it tomorrow if we wanted to. The answer is simple. Its not easy or even desirable, but if we completely stopped covering these, there was a complete blackout that would go away. If theres no audience, theres no reason to perform. Im not proposing to do that. I think that would be a terrible thing that would be a huge d dereliction by the media. But if thats sort of the extreme over here of complete blackout and doing nothing on the opposite side, i think we need to find someone in there where we selectively look at ways where we can diminish the killer, we can sort of take away part of the stage and the voice and the reason for doing it without doing significant harm to our duty or to the public understanding. Jeff, what do you make of this . I understand the impulse. I think its an effort somehow to take away from these killers what we think they might want. I think it is ultimately futile because in this day and age, unlike 40 years ago, there were no gatekeepers. 40 years ago, a couple wire services, television networks, a few newspapers could have effectively shut this out. You cant do this anymore. If this video as seen, say, by parents of troubled kids or by Law Enforcement officers can stop future killings, that in and of itself is a very important reason why people have to see this. I understand the point about the pornography of violence and the exploitation of it, and im sympathetic to what david says. But the most important thing for me is to surrealize how many clues were missed here as it often is, and so if somebody out there has seen this video and said, you know what . I saw Something Like this from my own son, you dont want to not have that happen. Dave, what do you make of that gatekeepers argument . I think the internet changes the calculus here. I watched all those Youtube Videos on my own. No middle man from the media to stop me or encourage me to do so. What do you make of it that the internet changes the calculus . I think it changes it for the better. Thats why im for this, because we dont have gatekeepers. I would have a problem in a world if this were 40 or 50 years ago, and you lived in peoria and the peoria journal register, i think, is the paper there in town didnt cover it, you would sort of be out of luck. You might be able to get it on tv or something else, but that was sort of your local world. You probably didnt have the new york times. It printed in your town. You definitely didnt have the web to go search on it. Now its a completely different world. Im not asking for or advocating any kind of blackout. Im with you guys on mostly what youre saying. I think people should be able to study these people in depth to watch the videos. I wrote a book and spent ten years on columbine and getting the motives. I want those tapes that still arent out, i want those available to the public. Because anyone can google this guy and look at those videos, that video when i watched it, had already had over 2 million views. I think thats great interest of the web. I think giving him what is viewed by most people as sort of the glamour of television is unnecessary. I dont think the clip played at the beginning of the segment showing clips of his face did any public good. I dont think anyone learned anything from it. I think weve all seen him enough times and there was no audio played with it so we didnt hear what he was saying. I think thats superfluous and unnecessary and gives him the flam glamour without any kind of value coming from it. Should there be a period of time after which time we dont show the video, we dont say the name . I dont know. Look, i think david makes a good point and this is one of my problems, if i may be blunt, about cable news in general, throwing video up as wallpaper just for the sake of filling the camera. But i would like to make one point. It may seem a little off but it struck me. As i was researching for a book i did about kennedy, i read a lot about oswald. And the more i read about oswald, the more compelling the case for his guilt was. To understand his background, his propensity to violence, how he was raised, his delusions of grandeur. Historically to me in a country where most people still think there was a conspiracy, this would be information decades after you would want to know. Again, these impulses toward trying to figure out some way to take away from a killer what we think this killer was after is understandable. I just have some skepticism about whether or not a future madman with guns is going to say, you know what, theyre not going to show my picture so maybe i will stay my hand. I dont think thats the point david was making. I think this is an effort that is widespread to try to figure out some rational way, other than the obvious, like keeping guns out of the hands of madmen and telling Mental Health professionals that privacy doesnt trump the public safety, some way to prevent a killer from getting what we think he wants. As i say, absolutely a noble gesture. How much will contribute to future safety . To be honest, im a bit skeptical. David, im stunned by the fact that we got through this and you never said the name. There was never a slipup or anything like that. Its very easy. Theres the perpetrator, the suspect, the gunman. And we all know who were talking about. The name is fleetly superfluous. Whether someone is born with the name smith or mcgillicutty, thats something that doesnt emit intent or background. That part is a nobrainer. Also, i dont want it to be 100 . I want it to be out there so anyone can google it and so forth, but the killer is still seeing hes being dissed by most of the media. Hes having most of his voice robbed from him and his identity. 100 is not necessary or even desirable. Its taking away most of it who will have the impact of those future killers watching right now. Im glad to have this conversation with both of you. Dave collin, jeff greenfield, thank you both for being here. Thank you. Were going to stay on this topic. 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I want to talk about what the hash tag Movement Means and more importantly what the backlash says about our culture. Joining me in new york, janet coles, editor of the biggest selling magazine in the world, cosmopolitan. Janet, thank you for coming on. My pleasure, brian. There is this crazy guy who shot people at this campus, but then we have these others ones. A tweet says, not all wommen has women. But all women have at some point been harassed by men. Food forethought. None of this is to take away from the thought that mental issues and guns. Talk about the issue of victim shaming. Im talking about how this does not get enough attention in the mainstream media. Do you think thats something that has been true for a long time and remains true . I think whats very interesting is that the incredible power of the social web, and so what happens now is you have victims names getting out there and people piling on the victims for complaining about having been abused, which is extraordinary. You have this incredible phenomenon of revenge porn where exboyfriends release naked photos of their girlfriends that were taken in private, intimate moments and theyre suddenly available for everybody to see and its incredibly difficult to get them off the web and extremely distressing for people. So there is this sense of disinhibiting factor of the web, this sort of disconnection that one feels without someone in the room allows someone to do something. And technology is so fast, we havent got laws to keep up with it and people dont know how to react to it. And i think the sort of mental noise of this is really impacting young women and young men. A very interesting piece, actually, in our print version. Still got lots of print going on in our july issue by anna lynn mccord, that actor from Beverly Hills 902190210 in which she w up in an apartment and finds him trying to rape her. It started her downward spiral which ended up with her actually thinking of suicide and having to reach out and get help. Since is an extraordinary sense of the web, and you certainly see that coming from anna lynn. Janet, thank you for joining me today. My pleasure. I would love to hear your feedback about this issue and the show in general. Im on twitter and facebook. My name is Brian Stelter and i think your feedback makes the week. Daniel helzburg will be joining me in why he thinks Edward Snowden is right. Stay tuned. The business were. With Premium Service like one of the best ontime delivery records and a low claims