Everybody is talking about it. Here is an example. Are you familiar with general s soleimani. Tell me. He runs the quds forces. I think the kurds, by the way, have been horribly mistreated by us. Not the kurds, the quds forces. The bad guys. Do you i thought you said kurds. No. Quds. Im sorry. I thought you said kurds. So what is it like to stump trump . Lets ask hugh hewitt. He joins me now from denver. Good morning. Good morning, brian. Happy birthday weekend to you. Thank you. You being here is a great gift. Tell us your intent with that interview. Youve interviewed trump many times before, and you told him this time you wanted to ask him some commander in chief questions. Yeah. I have talked to donald trump four times in 30 days. And i dont do gotcha questions. Im very open to being criticized by people if they think its a gotcha question. When i asked jeb bush would he be hesitant to invade iraq a third time because of his brother and father, when i asked jeb bush if he was worried about dynastic politics influencing young democracies, these are tough, focused questions. I ask everyone hastraight, hardhitting questions. In my mind it was a leadin to talk with the antiiran deal rally were you surprised he seemed caught off guard . He had a great interview, by the way. The rest of the interview he actually had a tough question for me on how would he respond as president if the chinese were to sink accidentally or intentionally a japanese or a philippines vessel. He gave a very sophisticated i would almost say nix onnian answer about why you dont tell people what youre going to do in certain situations. He took a shot at me, thats fine. I tell people im not perfect. Im just the best on radio. I think i am the best interviewer on radio in the united states. Whats important to me is that people know the debate is coming up. I have no favorite or disfavorite. Im going to ask them all hard questions because i think the job of hosts is to ask questions that republican primary viewers, and there are millions of them, and theyre across a Broad Spectrum wasnt answered. Some people want hard questions. Some want softballs. I keep in mind the republican primary voter, who do they want to nominate to run against in all likelihood Hilary Clinton and how will they do it and are they prepared to beat her. Thats my objective coming up on september 16th working with japer and dana bash on the next debate. Lets talk about trumps reeer reaction to you. Here is what he said on friday morning. When you say quds versus kurds. I thought he said kurds, as the thirdrate radio announcer. Gotcha, gotcha. Every question was do i know this one and that one. It was like he worked hard on that. He says he thinks you worked hard to prepare for that interview. Maybe he is just now punching at the messenger. Look, i got my donald trump tattoo and im proud to join hammer and chuck todd. Donald trump is the great interview of america. I would lead every show with him every time. He has been on four times this month and other times. He endorsed my book the queen on air. If he wants to take a shot thats fine. We have to be willing to listen to the criticism in our business. After the conversation i had with him which i had on the air about did you think it was a gotcha question . I didnt. I immediately contacted Carly Fiorina before the interview aired, asked her to come on, didnt tell her what the questions were and taped an interview of the questions so i could have a control group. I hate gotcha questions. Who is the president of nigeria is a gotcha question. I think the difference between hamas and hezbollah is important. Carly fiorina received a lot of confidence for the way she answered your questions. Some of the same questions. She also admitted which is a good thing, sometimes she gets the names confused. Are we talking about had h. Its easy to get confused. What matters and where i was going with the interview is israel is surrounded by proxy states and proxy terrorists of iran. Looking ahead to the debate. Youre going to be a questioner. Jake tapper the moderator on the september 16th debate. You and dana bash will be participating in the questioning. Some people wonder if youll be fair to trump. We saw one saying you are biased. Whats your response . Im going to be fair to everyone. I am not biased to anyone. Have no favorites. Same question set i had before. It will not be impacted by Donald Trumps criticism or his praise. People can send me love notes and valentines or say horrible things about me. It wont change my point of view which is to ask questions that the republican primary electorate wants to have answered. If the criticism that comes comes and the praise that comes comes it shouldnt affect our job as journalists. Ive been doing this for 25 years. It doesnt change my approach. Im not antidonald trump. Well see you at the debate september 16th. Thanks for being here. Before we look ahead to the debate, lets look back. The trump show has been, without a doubt, the block buster event of the summer. We wanted to trace the arc of the story back to june before he even entered the race. Here we go. Donald trumps once again making noise about running for president. Why is anyone taking this talk seriously . They dont think im runlini. Ill be surprised if you say you are running. He will be tempted to run, be predictably shellacked. Dont tell me hes in this to win this. He is a side show. Turning a threering circus into a side show sni. Im officially running for president of the united states. Hes running for keep me famous. I thought it was a strategy for a new reality show. How should republicans handle donald trump . Ignore him. They all said id never run. I announced i was going to run. He is not a serious candidate. He has not filed his fec election papers. Hell never file his forms papers. I filed my form papers. Oh he is tapping into something. An angry at politicians. Done voyage. Trump is toast after insults. Youve called women you dont like fat pigs, dogs. She starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions and, you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. He creates controversy because that creates media. What in turn keeps him in the headlines. The ratings if i didnt get ratings, they wouldnt be here. Look, its all entertainment. He is having the time of his life. Donald trump is gods gift to the democratic party, cable tv pundits and latenight comics. Were having a trump gasm. Hey, are we leading in every poll . Every single poll. Putting donald trump atop the field of u. S. Republican president ial candidates. Can anyone stop the trump juggernaut . Its clear that donald trump is not what some people think, which is a summer fling. Its the summer of trump. How good that for my ego . That demonstrates that the summer trump confounded the predictions of political talking heads. Before labor day gets here we thought wed look back and do some selfexamination. A clip from this show on midjuly when trump was taking a lot of heat for seeming to criticize the war record of john mccain. My guests were nate cohn and rich wilson who has been one of the summers biggest critics of trump. Watch. Now youre going to see the rest of the Republican Party is going to rally against him. That was totally change the way that he is covered for the rest of the campaign. He will now face scrutiny from across the party and from the media. That will eventually blunt his surge in the polls and eventually reverse it. Cohns prediction was that the mccain insults would, quote, mark the moment when trumps candidacy went from boom to bust. Since that didnt happen, they rejoin me right now. Gentlemen, thank you for being here. It was rare on cable news to go ahead and look back on what was said before. Nate, are you surprise that weekend was not more of an infliction point in the race . Absoluteabsolutely. There were two things about what trump looked like then and what we see now that suggest a more robust candidacy than we saw at the time. It looked at first as if he was a mediadriven candidate. That sounds like its not important but it matters in terms of where the support is coming from. Once the coverage changes, trump goes away. Now we can at least say hes not just benefiting from Media Attention. Hes driving Media Attention in interesting and important ways that allows him to deflect the debate away from things that would otherwise hurt him . The megyn kelly thing. His comments about jeb bush speaking spanish deflected from a very strong attack at about jeb bush im sorry, about mr. Trumps record on policy issues that were quite liberal. This is a skill. Its not something that would be like kim kardashian. On the show i joked that she would benefit from the same Media Attention. Mr. Trump is showing additional skill that wasnt evident at least to me. Rick this was one of the points. Youve called him a cancer, a hair shadow with a delicious hint of fascism. Those are just the quotes i can say on the air. Have you had any impact this summer then . You know what, ive come to recognize that the folks in the core of Trump Supporters as i like to say, they are postrational. They dont care what his history or his record is. They are in love with the celebrity candidate. Who he plays on tv. Theyve stopped caring about the policy. The one driver of policy for him is immigration, but the rest of the things, even when you point out inconsistencies in trump, they dont care. Theyre so locked into the dynamic of being with this rebellious media character and the Reality Tv Show that hes creating instead of our normal political dialogue, they love it. The media folks love it and he loves it. The spectacle is great for ratings. There is a dynamic there in the fact that hell call into any show and that everybody will take his calls has led him to continue to eat up cycles. The other candidates, you know, they dont have the same privileged position where they can marco rubio cant call up sean hannity and say give me an hour on tv. It wont happen. Or jeb bush or anybody else. Maybe it would. I dont know if we know that for sure. I think some shows would take phone calls from other candidates. But i think youre right to some degree. There is a unique quality to a trump interview. Youre guaranteed to make some news. He is guaranteed to be unpredictable. In the minute i have left, were here revising our predictions from july. Thats great. A lot of tv pundits are not held accountable very often. There are not a lot of consequences. I wonder if thats a factor in trumps success. Voters are tuning out the usual political voices. Rick, what do you think . I think there is a certain degree in the trump base where not only do they not want to listen to the normal political voices, they are now declaring them to be an anathema. Theyre throwing them off the island. We are in the point in the conservative movement where they believe they are insufficiently conservative and pure. Theyre after people who disdegree with trump, not just ignoring them. Nate, what do you think of the idea that becauthat because pundits are not accountable. People tune it out and dont believe our frpredictions . I think thats often true. 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I think if you talk to the organizers on the ground in ferguson and baltimore, theyll tell you they are a nonviolent movement. Why are they chanting pigs in a blanket. This onair offensive came after recent killings of Police Officers and the reaction to chants at a black lives matter march in minnesota where some in the crowd could be heard saying this. Pigs in a blanket. Pigs in a blanket frying like bacon. Bigs in a blanket frying like bacon. Some of the organizers said that was actually in humor. Some attempt at being plafyful. Is a dangerous connection being made between the movement and a misunderstood movement. Joining me cornel west president of africanamerican studies at princeton and Mark Lamont Hill in philadelphia a professor at moorhouse college. Thank you for being here. First, that clip we just saw, the pigs in a blanket comments. Cornell, doesnt the movement itself, dont some of the people who support the movement undermine it is hateful remarks like those . We have to keep in mind, they said the same thing about martin king, the same thing about snick. Whenever you have black rage expressed based on black suffering in the face of white fear grounded in white privilege, that clash is one in which youre going to get some hyperbolic rhetoric. Youre saying it was only hyperbolic . Absolutely. Have you seen them going about engaging in injurious harm to police . Everything is being recorded means that these protesters can get their message out and potentially undermine themselves. Marc, what did you make of the video . I didnt make much of it. Here is why. I have been on the ground in ferguson. Ive met with and met in terms of organizing the blm founders and many of those around the country. That is not part of the dialogue or the engaged action we see on the ground. There are always outliers to show up to twist the message. There will be people who engage in hyperbolic rhetoric. Thats different than being genuinely committed to injuring law enforcement. Do you think the fox news host seized on it to create too broad a brush . Seems like they had a narrative. They did have a narrative. Its different than the narrative they are with the tea party sign. They said those are outliers. Thes are extra folk who we dismiss. Why cant the same generosity and be given to those involved in this movement . You made a comment about dr. Martin luther king. You suggested the same attempts were made to delegitimize the movement in the 1960s that youre seeing now. Brother martin was viewed as a hater, a troublemaker, a divisive figure trying to undermine a status quo in which white persons were living in a world of denial. Yet he persisted because he had integrity. Marc, have you found this to be effective this week, the new rhetoric from fox news and from conservative commentators describing black lives matter as a literal hate group . I think its been effective in jenning up the base and distracting us from the fundamental issues that we should be preoccupied with. We should devote time to saying wait a minute. What happened to those Police Officers is wrong. Its a moral atrocity if someone stalks and murders Police Officers. We should be able to do that and still have a sustained conversation about police terrori terrorism, state violence. Mass incarceration. When the rhetoric spikes up about blm, black lives Matter Movement, being a hate group, it distracts us. Many of us turn it into a defensive posture where were trying to defend that and having our conversation about that instead of the core issues. I think that is exactly what particular media outlets. And im also talking about pockets of social media, not just fox news. What theyre committed to doing. Their purpose is to troll the world and convince us the suffering were facing is not as essential as the distracting conversation. At the same time the voices of Police Officers need to be taken seriously. Many of them do believe there is a very serious threat to them because of rhetoric not because of the movement necessarily but because of a climate that were in. I dont think that i dont think that they have grounds for that. No . No. I think part of the moral impulse behind the black lives matter is that innocent life must not be violated, must not be taken, yet unfortunately oftentimes the innocent lives that are taken by statesponsored figures tend to be black and brown people. Marc, im curious. You mentioned you were in ferguson multiple times in the past year. Its been a little bit more than a year since Micha