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CNNW Reliable Sources September 4, 2016

Coverage. Its not bias, but its close, its false equivalents. Those who are trying to cover trump and clinton fairly are heres another way to frame this idea, when trump is covered, is he graded on a curve making it easier for him. Or do these cries of unfairness ring hollow . This morning i have assembled an all star panel of three veteran journalists, jacob weisberg, soledad obrien, a former anchor on cnn, and mark lieb what dot mean to you, what does it signify . I was really concerned that we were going to have that, that this was essentially going to be a process of treating donald trump as if he were a normal president ial candidate. The structure of covering politics is you compare an apple and an orange, they have different attributes. But theyre both fruits, you can take your pick. But this is like the difference between fruit and rancid meat. These are things that are outside the norm of whats accepted in american politics and i think what the press is struggling with, how do you not normalize him, but at the same time do your job and be fair as a journalist. When you start the show calling him rancid meat yes, i think trump is rancid meat. It doesnt represent what republicans have stood for in the past. Are other journalists not calling it like it is, covering trump like the unique candidate that he is . I think its the contortion to try to make things equal all the time. But Hillary Clinton points outa what donald trump has done is normalize white extreme i. You would say that clinton is white, and she would say that. Clinton has made a great argument, like a lawyer, here is ways she has worked to normalize conversations that many people find hateful. I have seen on air White Supremacists being interviewed because they are Trump Delegates and they do a five minute segment. Then donald trump will say, Hillary Clinton, shes a bigot. Where the journalist part comes in, they trade barbs, he says shes a bigot, and she says he might be appealing to bigots. When in actuality, when Hillary Clinton said that hes a built. When you look at Hillary Clintons speech, she actually did have some really good, factual things that have happened and do exist, theyre treated as if they are equal, he might be a big thats where journalists are failing. That may be the default. But i have seen a lot of good examples of the press i think doing their job of calling him out and telling it like it is. Like on this show, theres no basis to claim that the election is going to be stolen. Not on the editorial page, but as a news story, because thats fact not opinion. Thats a bit more optimistic take. Mark, are you more optimistic or pessimistic on how journalists are trying to treat trump . I should step back and say in fairness, a lot of Hillary Clinton supporters would say that jacob is just being fair to rancid meat. I think we have to have both sides here. I would say this, there are a few terms that were using that i think are kind of flawed. The whole grading on a curve. The notion of a curve, in, say, math, fourth grade math, theres something objective that youre basing it on. Theres nothing the agreed upon argument in our culture, thats one arbiter that can decide. I mean i think the notion here of sort of false equivalencequi whatever you want to call it, is not so much to strain to call both candidates one from another. To actually use your platform as a journalist to say, look, what donald trump just said has no basis in fact, or Hillary Clinton hasnt given a press conference in 238 days, but when a blatant falsehood is to state it simplistically, that this is just not true. When you get into on one hand and on the other hard thing, and then make a judgment that says this is racist, this is white supremacy, youre basically trying to overturning a judgment thats been rendered by our major party, which is that person is acceptable to be the head of a party. But i dont know if its a journalists job to make that rendering. To say flatly, this is not true, or in the case of donald trump supporters, this is white supremacy, doesnt that put you at risk as a journalist . The gentleman im referring to refers to himself as a white supremacist. He would say White Nationalist thats the appropria appropriate. Im very slow the call anybody a racist, but i think in this case is its irrelevant. But are you softening the ground for people who are White Supremacists, who are White Nationalists so selfidentify that way to feel comfortable where they can do a fiveminute segment on national television, and the answer is yes, clearly, and theres lots of ed of that. Do i have a question, or do i have a hard time saying thats just not true, i may be overeager to do that. Its one of the most interesting things being a journalist is that when you find politicians to say thats not true and heres how its not true. The question is it happening enough . I saw a lot of emails from viewers, one says i am tired of trump and his surrogates being treated with kid gloves. Television coverage is, its not singular, i mean there are a lot of different interviewers, a lot of different reports. I think its been especially glaring in this to be steam rolled especially trumps filibusters, his long answers, things that are often not true. Hillary hasnt done that many interviews, so theres a heart of compare son there, i guess we should say, donald trump gets immense credit for making himself as available as he has. At the same time, i think theres been way too much patience for listening to kelly anne conway. Fill la filibustering one show or another. Tvs Public Affairs shows can say this side has been represented, it doesnt matter if what they have said is complete nonsense or just bad television. I think theres been a movement especially on with certain interviews to actually become more aggressive, which i think is absolutely appropriate in this case. Jacob, i think some critics would say were too tough on trump surrogates and not tough enough on clinton surrogates. Do you think thats a true statement . I think there will be a calling to account after this election about the role of cable news in particular. Why is that . Early on, theres a real case to be made that trump was overcovered. Now hes a president ial nominee, may be president. But when he was low in the polls, hes been so good for the tv News Business financially and i dont think reporters consciously exaggerate his pompbs because of that, but it has an impact. I think in the early days, he got too much attention based on where he was and from cable news. If theres any lesson to be learned, its wow, over the top hateful speech brings a really interested angry audience, this is genius, we should do this more often. What shall we do when this election is over, well have to figure out a way to rile people up and make them angry because thats something that cable news can cover. Now it is he said she said all the time. Question have lost context, we actually often dont on cover the diet details of something, just cover the back and forth. Youre talking about hateful speech, makes me wonder if its just as compelling on tv to fight back against hateful speech. If you say trump is hateful, is there people arguing against it . I think its very compelling to see video of people beating up protesters, absolutely. I think that has been i think the quality and legal of discourse has dropped so far, it saddens me to see and i dont think were going to have this reckoning that happens after the election. It has made a lot of money, it has done well ratings wise and its going to continue. I think the Financial Impact of Donald Trumps presence in this race has not been overstated but it misses the point. I actually think trumps hyper exposure through much of this race has been in a weird way very good journalistically, because he is very expose. Anybody who feelings they dont know what donald trump is about at this point, we havent seen the tax returns, we havent seen complete or even unfunny medical records at this point. But i feel like most people know what this guy is about. And either they going to vote for it or not. And i think in many ways its been a very sad election, its been a very disspiriting election. But information is a doubleedged sword and i do feel like, its not going to be basically people have seen this guy at work being who he is for a long period. Its the softening of the stance of the immigration, were back to the hardening of the stance on immigration, were covering the drama around the thing and not the policy and the specifics around the thing. And if you were to go and highlight various parts of the speech, you could have a policy conversation. Most of the conversations that are happening today are not policy conversations, they are trump says this, clinton says this, what really happens in mexico, the fluff around it. This is actually the perfect segue. After the break, i want to ask all of you, where is the substance, where is the policy . Do reporters really need to play doctor too . Thats coming up. [ dreams by beck ] hmmmmm. The turbocharged dream machine. The Volkswagen Golf gti. Named one of car and drivers 10best, 10 years in a row. That was such apaint jewel among paints. That you had to seek it out. Nope, even easier than that. More like taking a left on that street where you usually take a right. 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Dig into the policies that American Voters would like to hear about. Mark, youve been able to interview donald trump, what about when policy or conflict . I mean, look, he doesnt give you much, my sense is he hasnt thought much about it. I do think theres a way to interview him on tv. Im not a tv reporter, but to ask the same question over and over again, and take a fairly incredi incredulous tone. White couldnt the fact that his ancestors came from mexico, why would that disqualify him . I think the problems with interviews this day and age, is that they have their ten things they have to cover, it sort of makes you vunl to a filibuster. But if you stuck to one thing. I think one of the more revealing moments, some of the more revealing moments about trump in this election, when he went throughout, the nuclear triad, or if someone asked him a few weeks before brexit. Those to me are revealing, and theres going to be a lot of people on twitter who are just trying to say gotcha. Jake, you mentioned conspiracy theories. All those claims about Hillary Clintons health, lets look how its been covered in the past month. Hillary clinton, illness, take a look at the videos for yourself. The weird pausing she has, the coughing fits she has. She doesnt have the strength, the stamina or the ability. She doesnt have the strength or the stamina to make America Great again. Hes been repeating that sword, stamina over and over again. Is the press making it worse . Hes lost using his surrogates like rudy giuliani, to put hillary has put out a conventional doctors report. Trump put out a doctors letter, and its not a medical report. So for trump to be standing there insinuating that theres something wrong with Hillary Clinton is i think a classic illustration of the double standard. What does the press do about it . Youve got to point out, as mark said, press him on policy, but point out that he doesnt have policy s that he has a different idea of a policy in a president ial campaign. Youre talking about that trumps doctors note. Thats on the one side. Theres been so much speculation on fox news, about trumps Mental Health. Hes i think clinically inge sane. I really do. Basically we have a psychopath running for president. Its time to hear from someone in the Mental Health community, to look at this person whos been on television for months, and to give us a sense of what we have going on here. Soledad, youre responsible to be speculating that way . I think its crazy, if you will, that reporters would tee up people and people would really talk about bringing people in. Dr. Drew is a really good example. If you bring someone in and talk about someones physical health or Mental Health, theyll do it. There used to be a rule that you would not comment on someones health if they havent examined the patient. They would say i have never examined the paint, but let me talk to you about Heart Disease or stuff and such. People are opining on, heres what this could be. I know dr. Drew was talking about Hillary Clintons internist is some back water where there isnt that many doctors and maybe theyre not that good. I think thats what journalism is doing. Dont be surprised that someone opines got a patient. I think that is horribly, w horribly wrong. Its true that real psychiatrists wont diagnose someone they havent examined and that is still a strong ethical proviso in the im not making a Mental Health diagnosis, and actually when i say donald trump is an extreme narcissist, thats a term in popular culture, im not diagnosing him. One of those clicks were literally talking about the medical definition of insanity or someone who is mentally not well. Theyre not sort of colloquially saying, hey, i was crazy for a moment about something, so i think it is a mistake. Where journalist makes that mistake, a good, ethical psychiatrist should not be diagnosing someone they have never looked at and you can see it on tv all the time. I have been worried that Mental Illness is being stigmatized by some of the coverage of this issue . Again, i basically agree with what soledad just said, i think youve got to be very, very careful before rendering a diagnosis. I also think theres a difference between a possible head injury or stamina, its something you actually have to be looked at and tested. Obviously Mental Health is a different area, but the fact is these are people that have behaved a great deal in public theres a big comment about its not about their deeply probed psychology. Could be quite instructive. I do make a distinction between the two, but i think theres a lot of caution we should take before going into those areas. 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