Nothing like we saw in primary season. Debate commission cochair frank farn cough is here to explain as is former moderator carol simpson. Plus, both candidates have scuttled plans to visit charlotte after a disturbing new cell phone video by the victims wife raises new questions about the Police Killing of a black man, famed defense attorney mark omara will analyze. Boxing promoter don king made headlines, there he is, trying to rally black support for trump. He dropped the n word this week. Hell be at the debate. But first, as you can see, he will be with me. Plus, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9 11 came from saudi arab yarks but yesterday president obama vetoed the bill that would allow 9 11 victims to sue the kingdom. Will congress override his veto for the first time in his administration . Former attorney general michael mu cay si among our guests. But first, monday nights main event is billed as clinton versus trump, but its really clinton versus ailes. Let me explain, roger ails, the recently deposed fox news titan was a counselor to republican president s long before he master minded the conservative news giant. He first earned his political stripes advising Richard Nixon and it was to ails that Ronald Reagan turned in 1984. Many remember that reagan defeated walter in a landslide, he won 49 of 50 states, but few recall that in their first debate reagan turned in a poor performance. The system is still where it was with regard to the with regard to the progressivety as ive said. Reagans sluggish behavior reig nated concerns about his age. He was 73 at the time and roger ailes was recruited to advise the president. Ailes was 44. His advice to the president was simple, he said, you didnt get elected on details. You got elected on themes. In the second debate, reagan followed ailes advice. He ditched facts and figures, spoke in general alties and delivered. One of the more memorable lines in modern debate history regarding his age i will not make age anish shoe of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponents youth and inexperience. So fast forward to 2016, at the outset of the Donald Trump Campaign when the idea of trump capturing the gop nomination seemed farcical to many, including me, an internal Trump Campaign document surfaced and it reminded everyone of ailes advice to reagan. It was presumably written by dirty trixster roger stone neither admitted to me nor denied that it was his work but that trump followed the strategy of speaking in themes and not specifics is unquestionable. And today trump is the nominee, stone is someone on the periphery of trumps campaign. Ailes was fired from fox after the Sexual Harassment and is now providing counsel to the Trump Campaign. And its now carried trump to the cusp of the first president ial debate. Will the tactic work . Or will the longer format consisting of six 15minute segments in general subject areas with no audience participation force trump to be more substantive than he is capable, playing to clintons stronger suit . Most experts agree, responsibility to press him will be clintons and not moderator lester holt. Does ailes strategy still work 30 years later . Monday night will be the test. If trump, like reagan, can end the debate by speaking in themes and general alties and not appear uninformed, it will be a victory for roger ailes. For the latest on the debate, im joined by two experts, carol simpson, the former abc anchor who moderated the 1992 town hall between bill clinton, George Herbert walker bush and ross perot and frank farn cough, the republican cochair of the commission on president ial debates, he cocreated the commission back in 1986 during his tenure as rnc chair. Frank, let me begin with you and lets distinguish what viewers have seen during primary season because in this case the candidates themselves they had no veto over who the moderator would be and youve empowered lester holt to call all the shots. Thats correct. Really whats happen since about 2000, michael, is that the commission chooses the dates, the sites, the formats and the moderators without any interplay with the or hearings from either the candidates or the political parties. And weve done that. Weve changed the format. We did it four years ago where we divided the 90 minutes then into six segments of 15 minutes with the ability of the moderator to drill down and really get to the meat of where these candidates stand on their issues and how theyre going to accomplish those issues. And lester has already announced that the subject matter that hes going to cover in a broad base way and but once the red light goes on, the moderators have control and will determine what questions are asked. We do not indicate to them what we want them to ask. They make that decision themselves. And as i was referencing in my opening commentary, i think that were all accustom to seeing in primary season, you know, you have two minutes and then a light goes on and then a bell sounds and so forth. And youve made a determination, the commission made a determination that you want them to be substantive so youre saying here is a 15minute time block, drill down on that subject area. Exactly right. It gives the moderator a chance to follow up. The old format, which was in place for many, many years, back even when the league of women voters started in 1976 and 1980, thats gone because the candidates then could just do a twominute little diatribe they used out on the campaign trail without explaining what they mean and how theyre going to accomplish it. This new approach that we put in place four years ago gives the ability for the moderator to drill down and to get the candidates to debate, to interact. This isnt much like an interview, if a journalist is interviewing one of the candidates. This is a debate. And we expect them to facilitate an interchange between them on the issues. How do you keep a lid on the audience . Well, the audience is told when they come in if you tune in a half hour before on cspan youll see me, mike mccurry, my cochairman and the moderator, lester, true of all the debates, talking to the audience. Theyre very fortunate to be in this place at this time in history. But there may be 100 Million People the estimates are for this debate who are watching either on their Television Sets or on their ipads or iphones, streaming whatever, who are trying to make a determination of who theyre going to vote for. It is very unfair for that audience to inject themselves by clapping or yelling or booing as you saw during the primary debates. So, realistically when weve done this and says on the tickets also, by the way, youre committing not to involve yourself in whats going on on stage. And over the years its worked pretty well. The audience has been very respectful of what we hope is a dignified and respectable discussion of the issues by the candidates. Okay. So, who is in the audience, mark cuban just tweeted he announced yesterday that hes been invited by secretary clinton and he thinks hell be sitting in the front row, which raises an interesting question, who gets to be there . Well, the candidates determine who sits where in their block of tickets. But were going to frown upon that. Well tell you this right now, whether or not a republican or democrat or anyone else attempts by use of the tickets in placing people in a front row or not to try to impact the debate. Its wrong. We would frown upon mr. Cuban being in the front row if his purpose is to somehow disrupt the debates. Like wise mr. Trump were to put someone in the front row to impact it. I dont think thats going to be a problem. Theyre approaching this as a very dignified manner in the way i think it should be approached. Okay. Wait a minute, frank. Youre telling me that maybe, maybe cuban wont be able to sit in the front row. Im about to interview don king, my hunch is that trump may sit him next to cuban in the front row. If that happens, are you going to tell the both of them, sorry, guys, get to the back. Weve been talking to the campaigns. Were going to do more talking tomorrow and will be with them on monday. I hope well never get to that and i hope this is just a little political to play a little game right now. We would oppose anybody being seated in a certain place with a purpose being the impact what happens on the stage. Final question, if i might, its 90 minutes. There are no breaks. I saw drudge yesterday with a big headline saying there will be no coughing breaks and i thought to myself, well, there will be no breaks of any kind, correct . 90 minutes without a break. Its a white house speed. There are no ads. Theres no sponsors, as you saw during the primary debates. And it ends after 90 minutes. The audience is told they can clap twice, when the candidates are introduced at the beginning of the debate and when it is over. We hope that follows we follow through with that on monday night. Cannot wait. Frank fahrenkopf good luck and see you monday. Thank you very much. Now to carol simpson, former debate moderator. Listening to frank, i am reminded of the awesome responsibility that has been placed in lester holts hands. Im not envious. I know in your case you had five days to prepare. Thats right. There wasnt the announcement some weeks before, as these moderators were given. I was called five days beforehand and it was murder trying to get prepared and understand all the issues and all the positions the candidates had. And i had three candidates to worry about. I know that we like to think were looking for substance. I just did an opening monologue here talking about how donald trump will want to speak in general alties and she is more wonkish, but isnt the reality that its the one liner we remember or the event . Candidly, when i think of your debate, what do i think of . Poppa bush looking at his watch. And people still havent forgotten that. Its been 24 years and im still asked why he was looking at his watch. I wish i could have told Frank Fahrenkopf who helped select me be the moderator in 92, i wanted to tell him that i would give anything, if i had the chance, to do that debate on monday night. Im concerned that donald trump is going to try to deflect and hes not lester wont be able to pin him down and hes such a gentlemen he wouldnt be disrespectful, but if i were there, i wouldnt let him go. I would ask the same again and again and again until he said something that might make some sense. But is that his job . We just debated this issue in the aftermath of matt lauer interviewing them backtoback, but isnt it the job of hillary to confront donald and donald to confront hillary and lester to play the referee. But im the old school journalist, the old media journalist, and i grew up and did my reporting career trying to get the truth told, trying to bring out the truth. If hillary isnt going to do it, then i think lester has to do it. The point is, people are not interested in the emails anymore. Theyve heard enough about that. Theyve seen all the changes that trump has made in his positions. I think they really want to get down to where are your tax returns . Where are they . And i would keep asking and keep asking and see how we would fare. But michael, i just want to tell you that i see them as two teapots. Im expecting a real rock em sock em debate. They have been sitting on the burners and theyve said things about each other and the bubbles are starting and the heat is turned up, scandals, gaffes, all these kinds of things and the bubbles have been bubbling and now theyre hot and theyre at the boiling point where they are now about to do their debate. And i think if the pressure is not removed somebody is going to blow a gasket, somebody is going to go off. And i fully expect that to happen. Im wondering despite what happens in those 90 minutes monday night whether minds will be changed because i get the impression that people in this country are so intrenched already, theyve made up their minds not only whom theyll vote for but who will win on monday night. I dont think thats true. All the other polling data in past elections say that people really make up their minds the last few days in front of the election. And some of them dont decide until they get into the voting booth. So, i have considered all of this polling thats been going on, everyday theres another poll, that it isnt really indicative of anything that may happen. Hes up a point. Hes down a point. Shes up five points. Hes down. I dont think they matter. And the polls really matter the day before and that kind of thing when people have really focussed on it. We will let frank know that you are ready to come in from the bench if lester needs an assist. Carole simpson, great to see you and thank you very much. 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If a gun has been recovered, and if police video supports the cops, shouldnt that information have been released immediately so as to spare the city the spread of rumor, protest and violence of the last couple of days . Agreed that it may have had that type of an impact. But the problem with it is that michael, you and i have talked about this, the investigation thats on going into whether or not the shooting was justified, has to the got to be complete in a good and defendable way. So what theyre doing, generally speaking, is they keep everything inhouse until they have a full view of what happened. For example, we wouldnt be happy if they just showed us the picture of what looks to be what looks like it might be a gun. People would be upset of the gunshots into keith. So we understand that the video in todays day and age is what everybody wants to see. Quite honestly, being in day six or seven of this, it is probably time to release the video, but we have to give them some consideration that the overall investigation has got to be done in a complete and defendable way. I would counterand say i think theres a balancing act here. If the city is burning based on false information, then you ayr on the side of releasing information that explains to the public, hey, it didnt go down the way you think it did. We know in tulsa they did that and it helped. They did that in cincinnati and it helped. I agree, six days well along into the investigation. If you think about it, the video, the failure to release the video is to make sure that the witnesses who saw this scene occur are not impacted negatively by what they see in the video. We are well past that stage. If charlotte cannot have any release without seeing the video, lets not forget, unfortunately as the chief said, this video is not going to be dispositive of anything once it is released. We wont have certainty from a video thats going to be all the more boring forensic evidence that will prove the case up whether or not the case or the shooting was justified. And finally, on the issue of whether Law Enforcement acted reasonably, isnt it significant that they repeatedly said drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun because that would seem to evidence in their minds at the time they believed him to be armed . Yeah. The video first of all, its so sad to watch a v