Good. Reporter a conversation with journalist l. Z. Granderson, political strategist tara wall and actor and activist jesse williams. Plus, is it possible to run for president while under charges for abusive power . The curious case against governor rick perry with the man who set the wheels in motion, deep into the heart of texas politics. This is state of the union. Hello, im Candy Crowley in washington. Another night of unrest in ferguson, missouri, after protesters defied a newly imposed midnight to 5 00 a. M. Curfew. Seven people were arrested, one person was shot, apparently by another demonstrator. That person is in critical condition. Police used smoke canisters and tear gas in response to the shooting. Moments ago i spoke with missouri governor jay nixon. Governor nixon, thanks so much for being here this morning. The man you put in charge of security, captain johnson, said after last night that he was disappointed in what happened. There was some violence, some arrests. Did you have any concern when you considered the curfew . Do you have any concern now that it could be counterproductive . Well, i mean first of all, its been quite a week. The shooting of Michael Brown, young 18yearold in his own hometown, shot down the street, brought emotions out very raw and appropriate, and as we move through the week, when we saw the militarization of police response, i thought the best thing to do is bring the highway to pa patrol in la pa pa patrol late in the week and bring in captain johnson with a less hard look. That went well until the second night and we had somage station. Last nights curfew everybody worked well. Were always disappointed when things arent person but thousands of people smoke last night, thousands of people marched and not a single gunshot fired by a member of Law Enforcement last night and the members of community tremendous helpful last night to get through what could have been i very difficult night. How long do you intend to enforce the kur snu what is the benchmark for lifting it . Well first of all, we wanted to make sure when we saw that second night late, the clear actions of a few to loot, we knew we had to keep peoples property safe and peace in order to get justice here. We cant be distracted from the longer pitch here to make sure the dual investigations, the Justice Department and local prosecutor, get to justice, that they are thorough and done and i thought this distraction and folks not feeling safe in their own homes while protecting the rights of people to protest was important, but were hoping to, well meet later this morning with the team last night, get to see how things from their perspective, but we are trying to use the least amount of force to provide people to the ability to speak while also protecting the property of the people of ferguson. Do you see the curfew staying in place for the next several days . Is that what youre saying . It could be wed like to see it ratcheted down. That will be judged by the community and like i say, i was heartened last night by, you know, there are thousands of people there and as the curfew approached it was the local people helping us. Earlier in the evening colonel and captain johnson marched with folks and listened and talked to them personally last night and the local officials that called on me to call a curfew and the local officials and citizens there last night, were the greatest help, and i think thats going to be part of the healing process but lets not kid ourselves. This is a horrific shooting, were not to justice yet and there will be moments of energy and angst over the coming days and weeks. Where are we in the judicial process from the local point of view . When do you expect a case would be ready to present to a grand jury . Well you could v two separate investigations. I was happy, i mean, i talked to just the other day to long talk with general holder, based on that, they put 40 fbi agents working in st. Louis yesterday, in this region yesterday to accelerate that process for that parallel investigation. I think its a time for the local prosecutor to have an opportunity to step up. I know everybodys working really hard. Its important we get this right. This is a big matter, clearly the death of an 18yearold at the hands of a Law Enforcement gun is something thats caught a nerve not just here in missouri, but across the nation and the world. Right, but its important that these be done but done well. The question is, governor, when do you think it seems to me that part of bringing peace to the streets actually would be some sort of action on the judicial side of this. Do you have a sense that we could see a local case i know youre not in charge of the fbi, but a local case presented to a grand jury this week, next week, air month from now . Well, ill let the prosecutor speak for himself on what his time frame is. Other than that i know that when i talked to attorney general holder that the response to that was to bring 40 additional fbi agents into the region to accelerate the interviews and theyre going to get this right and everybodys working really, really hard. This is going to be something that to get justice it has to be transparent justice and has to be thorough justice and there are a lot of witnesses and a lot of folks concerned about what went down and what justice can be. So i think that, well i know theyre working very hard and i know those Additional Resources yesterday were really felt and i know that its time for the local prosecutor to step up and im confident the Justice Department will, with the Additional Resources and focus here, that general holder and the fbi and folks are going to get the information and get it to the proper choosing authorities, my sense, in a timely fashion. There are complaints and criticisms as you know of the st. Louis county prosecutor that would do this case, robert mccullough, saying in previous cases he has not been aggressive in pursuing police abuse or abuse by police. Do you think someone else is better suited, would be better suited to push this case forward . Well hes an experienced prosecutor and this is his opportunity to step up. Youre suggesting to me thus far he hasnt. Theyre doing investigations and the charging decisions have not been made. Everybody understands in the publicer this going to present evidence to a grand jury. I think the dual parallel investigations of justice and the local really, really add both, they just help. They help tremendously to make sure that all the information is getting out, that its being done in an organized fashion and like i said, i appreciate the parallel investigation being done by the Justice Department in some situations. I would think with some of the detectives and whatnot. Thats the kind of independent external National Review and investigation of this that i think will assist everyone in making sure we get to justice. Governor, if a civilian had shot another civilian in the middle of a street in broad daylight with witnesses who have already been on television saying that one of the people was unarmed and had his hands up, would that person be in jail right now . I think from the street, thats kind of the questions you were getting at that very raucous town hall yesterday. Theres a tremendous amount of angst about the facts in this case, an 18yearold, Michael Brown, shot down in the street of his own home area, and any moment that goes on here is going to continue to build, you know, that angst, until theres some solution at the end. Sure. These are rellegitimate concs but its important the prosecutors and the Justice Department get this right and i think we need to as a Community Focus on peace to get justice, and to make sure we follow the brown familys recommendations here and not use this as a flash point but use that this as a point to get justice. Absolutely. My question is, would another person who is not a Police Officer have been arrested or charged by now, under similar circumstances . Well, i cant speak to just hypothetical cases, other than to say each one is different, but as i said before, until the charging decisions are made, until the investigation is complete, theres going to be folks with energy and thats why we want to continue to maintain the opportunity for people to protest and speak out while keeping the peace and we will continue to make sure as you saw when we shifted the Law Enforcement approach here on the Security Side to make sure people knew that they had the right and the opportunity to continue to express themselves. Right. And finally, sir, we are hearing stories now and people talking about decades of police abuse and institutional racism, its been called, in and around st. Louis county, not just in ferguson but other places. Does that come as a surprise to you, those complaints . Across the country, these are deep wounds. When you scratch them again they hurt, whether its in ferguson, missouri, or other parts of the country. We know theres a long history of challenges in these areas and our hope is that with the help of the people here, that we can be an example of getting justice and getting peace and using that to move forward. But its a challenge. Its, there are deep, longterm wounds and were hopeful that when justice is had, that this entire process and the folks that have spoken out will be part of an effort to help bridge those gaps. Its one of the reasons why, when captain jackson came in, he came right into the community. He didnt roll up in an mrap, our troopers in there, even the Highway Patrol were marching with these folks last night. Its very important to our officers of wherever be in the communities and as part of those communities for protection when needed, not feel like an external force, and i think all across the country, thats a task we have to accomplish. Governor jay nixon, thanks for your time this morning. Thank you. 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Is this a question of equipment or is this a question of attitude . Well, its an issue that we need to have a National Discussion about. The militarization of local Police Forces and then when they are used to quell peaceful demonstration, then we have a problem, and especially around this entire case of the murder of Michael Brown at the hands of a ferguson Police Officer. Mr. Kerik taken is im sorry, go ahead. Thats all right, i was going to have mr. Kerik jump in, because if can you make a case for having this equipment . Im assuming that lots of times police are outgunned and need heavier equipment. Well, this goes back to the early 90s and the drug war, late 80s, early 90s in the drug war, drug dealers had far better equipment, more equipment, more dangerous equipment than the police. Then you go into a post9 11 world, and the terror threats that we face. Also keep in mind weve seen a substantial increase in the active shooter scenarios in our schools, Grammar Schools, theaters, where police have to respond in a capacity that they have the equipment and the resources necessary to fight that threat. Its absolutely needed. So congressman, how do you strike that balance . You dont want your police force looking like they are seeing their citizenry as enemies. On the other hand, you do want them equipped for when they do actually face folks that they might see as enemies. Well, and the scenes that we saw in ferguson, missouri, this past week, with a militarized Police Force Facing down innocent protesters with sniper rifles and machine gun is totally unacceptable in america. Now, i have gotten word that some of these Police Departments who have received this equipment have not been properly train ed by the military, and so that is a question that some of my colleagues are in congress and see it, they are going to try to get answers to. Mr. Kerik, do you agree with that, that maybe there isnt the proper training and sometimes you should leave some of the equipment at home . Heres the thing. You know, what we saw in ferguson was more a riot control scenario. Do you need the heavy weapons . Not necessarily. Do you need the assault weapons . You need riot batons, you need riot shields. You may need that other stuff but you dont need it up front. You need it off in the outset, in the event that something happens, but the one thing i will agree with the congressman on substantially is the training. You have departments around the country that receive a lot of this equipment from the federal government, they dont have the real training necessary to use it. Lot of them dont know what theyre getting. They dont have the interoperability or intercommunications with the larger agencies, for example, in my state, the new jersey state police, the Newark Police department, jersey city Police Departments, they have Major Special weapons teams that train constantly, but a lot of other small agencies in new jersey, 10, 15, 20 people on the department, that want a s. W. A. T. Team, you know, its wellintended. Is it the right thing to do . I dont necessarily think so. Congressman clay, when you look at Police Actions and first of all, talk about the Ferguson Police, now you have the state police who have moved in to take other, where do you think you do, and im assuming you do because you talk about it, the major blunders while trying to deal with both the shooting and the aftermath . Well, as far as major blunder, i think that in the beginning of this week, st. Louis county police and Ferguson Police were way too heavyhanded in the way they interacted with peaceful demonstrators. These demonstrators have a right to assemble in a peaceful manner, have a right to be heard, and it was very confrontational, and it shouldnt have been. I think that when captain ron johnson came in from the missouri Highway Patrol, then things began to level out and he struck a good balance between Law Enforcement and interacting with these demonstrators. Now, a bigger problem here in ferguson and across this region and across america are that Police Forces who are in africanamerican communities are not diverse enough. They do not have enough diversity within their force, they do not have a healthy relationship with the Africanamerican Community that they are supposed to police. We have to have a National Conversation about how Police Forces should interact with the Africanamerican Community, who happens to be paying their salary, who want to be served and protected, who these officers are taken other to