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Ive neverer, i promisise yo, have seen n anything l like i. Shirley halperin she is the biggest artist in the world. Shes j Just Rollining in doug. Mikakael woo Tataylor Swift is very y modern popop star. But in s some ways, shes s old fashshioned as i it gets. Shshe still bebelieves in n mae covers andnd Performanances Onon late nighght tv. Sidndney madden n she startd off in the countntry lane, and d she moved d into the e pop spherere. All of a s sudden, shehe explod onto Thehe Pop Musicic Scene with herer 1989 albubum, with E Firsrst Single B being shakat off. And this was massive. Dometi ponong shake e it offf was everyrywhere. Its actually stuck k in my h head a littttle bit. [taylor swift, shake it o o] bebecause the e Players Gogoin selena gomomez, James S Corde play, plplay, play, play, p. Taylor s swift and d the Hahaters Goingng to hate, h, hate, hahate, hate. Im justst going to o shake, shake, shahake, shake,e, shak. Jojohn legend d shake it t. Shake itit off. 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Sean hall l how does s a pern feel when n they come e home and theyey feel likeke their house has s been robbebed . Thats how i felt. Tataylor swiftft singing Playayers Going G to play, p , playay, play, play. Sesean hall 1 1, 2, 3, 4. When i i first gotot into the music c business, i was 17. Back thehen, Gettingng Deals S was a situtuation. Everyone h has a deal l now. Backck then, itts like, if you h had a deal,l, itits becausese you foughght f. [m[music playiying] i met T Nate Butleler throrough a frieiend. Natete was just t leaving coco. Hehe wanted toto write musus. So we met, and we hit it off immediately and d became best friends. S. And then, of couourse, Not T Everythingng you write is going t to be a smamash. Bubut we got a a lot of placemenents togetheher. We wororked on xscscape. [xscape, holdld on] singing hold on to l love. Hold on to love. Kandi burruss we loved that song so much that sean produced. I feel like people really appreciate real vocals baback then. Peopople loved r r b back tht. R r b was, i w would say, biggerer than hip p hop. Cariri champion n so we havavs emergence e of black g girl grs who o are very unanapologeti. And theyre singing g a differerent type o of song. Anand i believeve truly, f fo, that was the start o of women singing in a v very empowewered. Sean hall My First Pop Hit would probably be no more on 3lw. [3[3lw, no momore] singng yoyou do or yoyou dont, d do. You will o or you wonnt, won. No m more. Yeah, yeahah. Sidney madadden so wiwithin e pantheonon of black k girl gros of the l late 90s and earlrly 2000s, 3lw W Definitelyly had ststaying powewer. Ththey had a s steady fandnd. They had marketabibility. They c could harmomonize. Ththey could d dance. They h had personanality. They hadad identity. Y. And theyey had Sometething Yoyou could hohold on to. Sean h hall nate e and i word on a about threeee or four s s onon the 3lw a album. I i think it w was no moror, ccurious, playas gonon. When we e were writiting plas gon p play, we w were at chu, and i did this trackck right t before serervice. I playeded it for nanate, anand hes likike, oh my g g. Thatats incredidible. Ththats increredible. Service isis over. Hehes like, s shawn, i i got the hohook. Itits crazy. Its crazyzy. So we gogo back to t the hous, he singsgs the hook k to me, i lose m my mind. Anand were lilike, this i is a. This is crcrazy. [3lwlw, playas s gon plplay] singnging playeye, they gononna play. And hateters, they g gonna ha. Baballers, thehey gonna baba. Shot calallers, Theyey Going G to call. That ainint Got Notothing toto do with m me and you. Thatats the wayay it is. Yeah. We jusust knew. Its Somometimes Whehen You U write somemething anand you get t goosebumpsps,u dont knowow if its g going to number o one, but yoyou have a really g good feelining. Yeah. Nate rogerers in thisis case, e talklking about t a song thahas legititimately popopular. While it wasnt shahake it off, it w was Legitimimately Somemeg that was i in the airwrwaves. Dodometi pong g 3lws sono, plalayas gon p play, only peakeked at 81 onon the bibillboard hohot 100. But t in my worlrld at the time, ththat was a b big reco. [clolock tickingng] sean h hall when i first heard sshake it ofoff, i i was vibingng with the e s. I was s just in itit. Anand then whehen the hookk starteted, my moututh kind of t dropopped open. We knew something had to happep. We had to o Take Actioion some, at leaeast extend d an invitatn to t talk. We reaeached out a and didnt reallyly get a resesponse. So i calleled julian t to get his perspepective on i it. Julilian wright t is a managr Slasash Businessss Mind slash a littttle bit lawawyer. He w went to Hararvard Law S Sl and took s some courseses thee or whahatever. So we was s like, run n it by julian, sesee what he e think. Jujulian wrighght immediaiat, as soon asas I Heard T The Hok and i hearard, playerers goig to playy, i said, thats 3. Playing] interviewewer 1 playeyers go play, Anand Haters G Gon hat, yoyou know . Songwrititers nathanan Butler D Seanan hall sueded taylor sws, Claiaiming That T taylor swifts sosong, shakeke it o borroweded from a sosong they we fofor 3lw calllled playass gon plalay. Lisa r Respers Frarance in 20, hallll and butleler filed a a lt agaiainst Tayloror Swift becee ththey felt lilike those l ls that Playayers Going G to playay, haters g going to hah had cocome from ththeir 200000 hit song g with 3lw. Sidndney madden n to someone who o says they y hear absololy no simililarity betwtween sshake it ofoff anand Playas S Gon Play betweeeen those twtwo choruse, you would d have to bebe listeg with t three sets s of earmufs to tryry and realllly argue e with that. T. [m[music playiying] sean h hall some e lawyers reran ththe situatioion. But i didnt get it because usually when people say copyright infringement, nine timimes out of f 10, they mean the music. Oh, theres a sample in there. Or you usesed my baseleline. You trieied to hide e it, anand blah, blblah, blah. We werere saying n no, itss not the m music. Werre talking g about thee actualal lyrics inin the chor. Shshirley halplperin it seemed a at the timeme that it t was too cocommon a ph. Sosort of tryiying to tradadek or to copypyright whahats u everyonene uses it. At the timime, that wawas a Vevery Common N thing to s s. Likeke, hate thehe playerer, not the e game. Dometi p pong so ththeres Ala Cultltural Compoponent here e e a lot t of folks feel likike artistss mainststream Artisists Likeke a taylor r swift has Ththe Agency T to take a little b bit of blacack cultu, use it a at her dispsposal, rex it, and wash h her hands o t and d say, i dididnt know this is s where it c came fro. Anand it mightht not eveven be Happppening Purprposefully O or maliciouo, bubut it does s happen. Cacari champioion In The E Ey 90s and ininto the 200000s, u had d to be edgygy. And yoyou had to b be Comfortae Inin your blacackness. And you u had to be e comfortae in s singing in n colloquialas thatat only the e culture could ununderstand, that o only the cocollective could ununderstand. Sean h hall playeyer and hater, wordsds like thatat, it d definitely y didnt comomm a a news feed d or a countntry. It came frfrom in the e hood. Kylele barker c check it ouout. You say y hes the S Smoothet Player O Out of the e three f us here. E. Will s smith hey,y, uncle ph. Uncle phphil hey, h hey, he. Dodont be a p player hater, my y brother. Jerome Onone Of The O Originl Player F from the hihimalaya. Sidneyey madden i in the 90s d in t the early 2 2000s, as s h, and r r b, and Blalack Music C In Generalal was s just enjoyoying this t l wawave of cultltural influlue, a a lot of tererms that wewe natural and Sysynonymous Inin the blackck Commununity Becameme Terms that Werere Synonymomous in Popop Culture E writ largeg. So t think of Slslang Terms S , player, hahater, shott caller, baballer. [pufuff daddy, its all a abe bejaminsns] singing wannabe baballer, shshot callersrs, brawlers. Scrub. B. [t[tlc, no scscrubs] sisin no, i donnt want no o scru. A scrub b is a guy w who cannt get no l love from m. Hahanging out t the Kandi Burrrruss scrububs was s in my Notetepad Becaususe i was lilike, im going toto use that t as a tie to somethihing. That w was like a a little saying me e and my homome girs used to sasay all the e time. Iim like, i i dont want no scscrub eitherer. Ththat was ourur thing. I i was like, oh, We Neeed To D do a song s saying calllled scrubs s or whateve. I i give you t the defifinition of f scrubs the fifirst line o of the son. singiging a scrurub is a guyut ththinks hes s fly, and i s also k known as a a buster. Hehello . [laughghing] thatts what a a scrub is,s, and now w the wholee World Knknows it. Shirley hahalperin wiwith the Tataylor Swiftft shake it off case, it was almostst a non starter frfrom the Getet Go Bebecause It W was thrown n t by the f First Judgege who hear. Intervieiewer 1 jududge michl w. Fitzgzgerald dismsmissed the lawswsuit yestererday, Rulg Thatat Combiningng the phrasa, Plalayas Going G To Play and Hataters Going G To Hat does not entail sufficient originality to warrant copyright protection. Shirleley halperinin the e judge decrcreed that this s Particularar Phrae was too brbrief, too u unorigin totoo common, basically,y, e a legitimamate copyrigight cla. Sean halall when youre a a songwriteter, You Pridide Yourselflf on Cominp Withth new, fresesh lingo, p ph, Waysys To Conveyey an idea. All l righty. And when y you do thatat, and then its s used somepeplace e, itll mamake you feel a cerertain way. Yoyou dont gogo through a procesess for fiveve, six yearars of challllenges, t knowining What Thehe End will. Cases can n be emotiononal. Ups and dodowns, sad, happ, excited, n not exciteded. Just i wasnt t nervous. I wasnt s scared. Wevve gotten m messages. Weve gotttten death t threat. It d doesnt fazaze me. Ththere have b been Pointstsn Titimes where e its been n a. But scareded . I wowouldnt sayay scared. This Sitituation Iss Bigger T than me. Its biggeger than my y kids. Itits bigger r than theirir. This Sitituation Affffects us a commmmunity pepeople of coco and someonone has to s stand. Marina v. Bogorad a after Ththat Decisioion was rendnde, sesean and Natate Decidedd to appeaeal the dismsmissal. Thats whehen i came i in. [i[intense mususic] combmbining thosose two phphrases, Andnd Continuinig with foror Lyrical S Sequence that is s similar tataking the s same nunumber of sysyllables, Chchoosing Worords that Hahe Negagative Connonotations u know, haters. Chchoosing a c colloquial l w Haters Insnstead of crcritic. Choooosing Intervrviewer 2 i i undersrstand yourre arguin. But let t me just My Queststion was mumuch narro. Marinana v. Bogorarad so sur, the phphrases thememselves migie commmmon, but ththats Nonot What Thehe Claim is. The clclaim is thahat sean and Nate P Put Togetheher anan originall combinatation of phrhrases. They tooook playersrs going o play, haters goioing to hat, ththey put Thehem Togetherern Ththat Sequencnce in a choho. Chloe memelas sean n and nat, theyre e saying notot only are e the lyricscs basicacally identitical, but alsoso, its Thehe Combinan and d the order r in which these e lyrics appppear in playas gogon to playay anand in shakake it off. Tayloror swifts d defense coming outut and sayining, hohold on a sesecond, thatat tr writes a all her ownwn music. These e lyrics Werere Inspird by Comommonplace PPhrases Thatat were useded at her scsc, and that t there is Nono Monopy Overer that phrarase. Marinana v. Bogorarad i argud why y the case s should procod to trial, and peter r andern argued whyhy it shouldldnt. Peter ananderson ththere hae to be coconcrete simimilariti, anand what theheyre relyiyg on a are abstracactions. Theres s a big difffference ben rrow your boboat and rrow, row yourur boat. Those are e different t thing. Pplayers, ththeyre gonn to and bbecause thehe Players E Gogoing to plalay, play, p play are Cocompletely D different us of publilic domain m materia. This is s exactly ththe corere of creatitivity. Intervieiewer 2 if f i record a song t today that t began of coururse, the plplayers gog to p play, play,y, play, pla, and the Hahaters Goingng to hatete, hate, hahate, hate, woululd