Tapper starts right down a split second. This courthouse went from the scene of a highprofile trial to a highprofile security seen elites starts right now hey horrific scene outside this courthouse after man lit himself on fire. Inside the courthouse, theres a major developing and then in the Hush Money Case against former President Donald Trump, a full jury plus alternates. Now, all seated, setting the stage for Opening Statements. This hour, were gonna go all in on this okay. Its dissecting the next steps. How long can the prosecution hold out and keep its witness list out of the hands of donald trump and his defense team also this hour, in an extreme jordan, berry moves from 100 House Democrats came to the aid of republican speaker mike johnson, drawing the ire of hardline republicans in putting johnson even close closer to potentially losing his job welcome to lead on mattingly in today for jake tapper and we are live outside the new york courthouse where the former president s Criminal Hush Money Trial is playing out as we speak. The jury Selection Process that is now complete today, judgment for sean seating five more alternate bringing the total number to six yesterday, of course, a full jury of 12 receded, made up of seven men and five women. And total of 18 needed for the trial to begin. Now, judge, were sean now, holding a Sandoval Hearing, whats known as a Sandoval Hearing. Thats going to determine whether the prosecution can ask trump phi testifies about certain aspects of his legal past, including the E Jean CarrollDefamation Case in the Civil Fraud Judgment handed down earlier this year. Now, trump attorneys are fiercely pushing back the outcome could factor in whether trump decides to testify at all later in the trial. So he said he was going to do. We start off with cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez, who joins me now lets talk first about a cent. What would it Sandoval Hearing actually is for people dont know whats happening right now and sayyed the corner. Well, in new york, what this hearing does is it allows the defense and the prosecution to fight it out in front of the judge as to what types of evidence they can bring in if donald trump chooses to testify. So one of them things they want to do is to impeach his credibility as a witness. Yeah. Before this jury. And so whats going on right now in this hearing, does that is still ongoing . Is the defense is pushing you back on every single instance that the prosecution wants to bring up. You pointed out, not only the E Jean Carroll ruling, right. One of the things that they got into a big backandforth over is the prosecution wants to be able to cite the earlier Civil Fraud Judgment against the former president and one of the things that theyre but the defense is saying is that look, that is a civil proceeding the standard of evidence, a standard of of that you need to prove for the judge to rule in favor of the prosecution is much lower. Its just a preponderance of evidence as opposed to a criminal trial where you have to have Beyond A Reasonable Doubt doubt. And so defense is saying thats just not fair. And so is theyre pointing out that if you do that, then we should be able to bring in some of the various problems. Is Mike Michael Cohen as a witness as well. And so thats going back in for the judge saying were not going to mix apples and oranges here as part of his decisionmaking in so we expect its going to keep keep going for at least another hour. Yeah. Its been a fascinating backandforth jeremy, herb and kara scannell, our team inside the courtroom and reading everything out and its been pretty fierce up to this point. I want to ask you because our Colleague Cares can also broke gonna be a hearing happening, i think right now in an Appeals Court tied to this case, theres like 70 moving parts right now, what is this . All of a sudden we heard that theres a hearing that is going on just just uptown here the appeals scored a full panel is now hearing the former president s motion to change venue. Now, hes already made this Request A Judge had ruled against an Appeals Court judge had ruled against that motion, but now the Appeals Court itself, though, the panama panel, that they feel court, is now hearing that motion. And so that is ongoing began about 30 minutes ago obviously, the former president is made very, very clear. He does not believe he can get a fair jury from people here in manhattan. Of course, what weve seen play outfile tells us otherwise, right . I mean, youve heard some of these these 18 people whove been chosen to sit on this jury. Youve heard people who have empathy for him or at least have political views that support his. So its not clear to me that he has a leg to stand on, that he needs to move this trial now out of manhattan because its clear that this jury is a lot more diverse than the former president would have people believe. Yeah. And unlike when he lost earlier, thats yours is no seated everything seems to be moving in the direction well see where that goes very quickly. Evan perez, thanks so much. Appreciate with me now, Stacy Schneider, a manhattan criminal Defense Attorney. She was also a contested on trumps tv show, the apprentice, also with me Jeremy Saland, who was a prosecutor in the manhattan district attorneys office, 61, to serve with you. We now have all the alternate seeded. The jury is seated. In what can you explain to people . Remember wondering why there are 12 and then six . It whats the instance in which an alternate would have to step in here . Is that something you expect . Sure. In this case, in particular, i actually expect an alternative to step in. I think theyre very valuable here. We saw what happened in Jury Selection. They had picked seven jurors and then to jurors came back the next day and wanted to be off the panel. So anything can happen here. This is a wildcard case. Its streamline different obviously prosecuting a former president. So what will happen is if a juror gets sick during the Trial Testimony or has a Family Emergency or or something goes wrong in their personal life and they need to step off the case. They will go to the judge and ask permission. Hopefully that never happens. But the alternative its are sitting next to the jury while the trial is underway, they are hearing the same evidence that the sworn in jury panel is hearing, and they will be immediately available. Well, two step in if needed im glad you mentioned the process that we witnessed or at least read about it, turns a Jury Selection and evan alluded to this too, as well, jeremy, where in one case, in particular prospective alternate after or talking in started to cry. She asked to be dismissed after she said, quote, this is so much more stressful in her words than i thought these jurors without question, i could be under a ton of pressure and i think this morning we saw the emotion come out of some that underscores that these arent just kind of random unnamed individuals. These are real people and this is something that you cant even fathom unless youre one of those jurors, how does that affect this case here its its really problematic and ive said multiple times theres the donald trump who was the innocent until Proven Guilty. And if Proven Guilty beyond reasonable doubt in that courtroom. And deserves the same due process and the same presumption of innocence at any one of us have. And then theres a donald trump outside that courtroom who says a lot of very vitriolic and frightening and aggressive things that gives pause. Be very gentle and nice. The potential jurors. We know that about the judge we know that about prosecutors and witnesses, and it has a really negative and frightening impact on those potential jurors who are scared potentially to say, i dont want to be a part of this problem i says, i dont want to be subject to scrutiny. I dont want the media talking about me and my family. I dont want people showing up at my house or saying things about me online. So its very again, i use the term frightening repeatedly because it has a way to taint the jury. Its not good for the jury to have that constant agony or nx. So the best thing trump can do Judge Machine can do. And this can be discussed later on, is really good donald trump to stop saying that things he has that incites people to do things that are adverse to the Criminal Justice the system yeah, its its a critical point, i think open question as you noted, were gonna talk about it in a little bit. I do the 60 we get to that. Talk about what we know about the five alternate selected today, because evan made the point, whatever the former president says on truth, social, or what hes been talking about about this trial and a fair trial and the jury isnt necessarily lined up with a woman whos originally from spain, married with an adult child does not really, at least according to her follow the news, says she doesnt quote, have strong opinions about former President Donald Trump theres a man. All we know about him is hes a Native New Yorker who lived, who loves martial arts. Sisi, when you at least read through the end of those topline things what stands out to you what stands out to me is this alternate panel of five is perfect for both sides. This is the most neutral vanilla the panel out of all the Jury Selection that has gone on this week most of these five jurors are not really that into the news. Theyre not working watching as much. They tune into certain news stations, but its not a hobby or a habit. And thats good for both sides. Thats the ideal juror in this case. Is the most neutral person possible who doesnt have an opinion about donald trump either way and is willing to listen openly to the evidence presented by the people of the city if new york i will add one funny thing though, the 2nd juror who is picked, what we know about them, enjoying martial arts i predict that this trial is going to be a martial arts display between donald trump and Michael Cohen. So that should be interesting for that person sitting there listening to the evidence come in yeah if theyre entertained by martial arts as part of their loved theyre certainly going to get a lot of that backandforth. Were seeing something in the Sandoval Hearing right now jeremy, a couple of the other alternates, but theres a woman whos since shes not a big news person looks at the new york times, reuters, and bbc does not have social media another one when who works for a Clothing Company is married, gets her news from google. When you kind of think through this in your former role how are you approaching them . This as this all plays out, well, there are some people who would say just pick the first 12 and then you pick the next six if thats how many alternate youre going to have. I dont necessarily subscribe prior to that view. What you want people who are smart enough to understand some things which might be a little complex, meaning this is not a hushmoney case. This is about whether or not these records are falsified and those elements and whether or not there was an effort to conceal a separate crime. So you want people who are smart enough to grasp that and take themselves out of this and look from the outside. I didnt and say, well, did the did the prosecution prove their case and not holding to some unrealistic burden . And you want those jurors who also are going to not concerned with the lawyer here whos a jurors, not to impose their beliefs, but follow what the judge says, an understand that theres going to be a witness here, for example, Michael Cohen, but not just Michael Cohen, who is admitted to lying, who has been convicted of crime and say, i can still be objective . Yes prosecution. Im going to hold you to the burden, but no criminal defense. Im not just going to side with you and say because Michael Cohen, for example, has a criminal record, i can find him credible. So i think theyve done a good job into stacys point. This is a fairly mundane group, at least on the six alternates but theyve done a good job to find jurors who appear to be smart enough engineers attorneys, a teacher to follow the law and be above and beyond. But at the same time, they have that a common sense to say, i can understand credibility, i can look at that person and see what they say and then make that assessment if youre watching right now how you see on your screen the hallway where the president has the former president is departed from in the past will certainly be keeping an eye on that camera over the course of the coming minutes in an hour the idea of objectivity ive talked to some people were just kind of passively observing all this to the extent anybody can passively observe something related to the former president who said, its a possible, everybody has an opinion this guy has got to 100 name id basically at this point, everybody likes him or hate him and its one of the two you disagree with that that theres really nobody can who can be that objective . The about donald trump is that, is that what youre asking yeah. Essentially, can you objectives can you look at this case for what it is and separate, however you feel about the individual i see which is exactly the question the jurors were asked by the attorneys on both sides i think all of us as human beings want to thank where fair . People and that were not going to be judgmental and were going to sit in the room and listen with an open mind but again, were all human and for those of us whove watched you dont donald trump on television. And i certainly been in the room with him many times through my experience its hard to separate that from the man sitting at the Defense Table who looks really tired and grumpy right now. So those preconceived notions, those opinions, even though jurors have sworn that they can put them aside and make a judgment. They always come in. Its just human nature yeah. And thats thats a challenge for lawyers on both sides. Jeremy, hang with me. Weve got much more to get to as we go forward, as i noted, are looking at the camera in the hallway, former president departs. Donald trump has also continued to rail against a gag order in this case, he claims that it violates his Free Speech Rights are going to get into the validity of that claim and prosecutors refusing to share their witness list have typical is that we get the Expert Opinion plus the heightened security around the courthouse even before todays horrific fire, were gonna be back in a moment, stay with us Anderson Cooper 360 tonight at eight on cnn he there, brenda its carol exactly so which like are we operating on . You mean arm . Its all connected asking the right question can greatly impact your future. Sure. Youre an orthopedist, actually, im a sagittarius, especially when it comes to your finances, give a question. Are you a certified Financial Planner . Yes. Im a cfp professional Cop Professionals are committed to acting in you your best interest. 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