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Source tonight, Donald Trumps first criminal trial resumes in hours, and we just got hold of new ammo dropped by the prosecution what could be coming at the former president if he ends up taking the stand and Impeachment Trial ends just hours after it began. Yes. A Biden Cabinet member now keeps his job while the speaker of the house is clinging onto his after teeing up a vote. Its only expanding a rightwing revolt and a new blow to boeing as a whistleblower testifies the the asian giant. This knowingly putting out defective planes that could break apart during flight are source tonight as an engineer looking at the safety of boeing who also lost his sister in a deadly plane crash. Im john king and for kaitlan collins, this is the source a shot across the bow to trump arguments not yet underway in the former president s first criminal trial. But the prosecution just revealed what it wants to use against him if big if he ends up testifying in his own defense, that is a giant f despite the former president s claims which is my absolute, its a scam. Its a scam thats not a trial testifying. I tell the truth. I mean, all i can do is tell the truth and the truth is that theres no case they have no case. And again, you have to read the scholars read all of the legal scholars. I havent seen one legal scholar that said this is the Case Prosecutors begged to differ. Theyre now unveiling some of their ammunition, what they would bring up all potentially crossexamining trump to discredit him to the jury. Its a long list. We dont have time for all of it, but prosecutors say they would ask the former president about the recent verdicts against him. How, for example, he was found liable for Business Fraud order to pay tens of millions of dollars to e. Jean carroll for defamation and prosecutors say they would bring up how he was fine for violating a court order by publicly attacking a judges law clerk, despite being warned not to do so. There will be a hearing eventually on whether all of that is fair fodder, but it does begs the question whether prosecutors are hoping to discourage trump from testifying by showing him all of he would face if he takes the stand, the trial resumes tomorrow with Jury Selection continuing. Seven jurors he did yesterday, five more needed plus alternates, six of those most likely on this off day, trumps on another one of his trademark factfree tears carping today about not being allowed, quote, unlimited strikes, meaning disqualification when picking the jury, ranting because he says his sayyed cant veto any prospective juror. They want each side only gets ten strikes. Thats new york state law. And his lawyers certainly know that weve got legal sources from all perspectives tonight, from the Prosecution Table or cnn legal analysts, former assistant us attorney elie honig from the defense side, veteran new york attorney, author i dala, whose past high Profile Clients have ranged from Harvey Weinstein to rudy giuliani, and bringing us the view from the bench, former New York State Supreme Court justice, jill kohn visor arthur, i want to start with you with this list. To routine step. Prosecution says, if youre defendant takes the stand, these are some of the things weve talked about him if youre trumps defense counsel, you look at this list. Is that dissuade you . Does it make it less likely . You would say testify the first thing id been doing is moving from ms at this point already because this lists should have been, first of all, put out under seal because they are now tainting the jury with all these bad acts that the judge may rule never come in. So the prospective jurors were watching get cnn tonight. Are already now. Theyre being dirty it up by these acts that they may never here in the courtroom. So thats my first motion for mistrial. My second motion for mistrial is i wanted to know this in this judges ruling before i start picking the jury because i may want to stand up there and say, mrs. Jones, my client may very well testify here he does testify. You may hear that another judge has sanctioned him. How is that going to affect you assessing his or her credibility . So none of that has taken place. So those are the steps i would take legally also mr. Trump, his lawyers can ask the judge to give him more than the ten trials that the more strikes theres a case law that goes back to the 1970s where a judge has the power to give more challenges in the long run, john, my clients not testifying in this case fair points. Yeah. I think theyre fair points. The purpose of this finally that we saw today is not to intimidate. Its not two sort of bear your teeth at the at the defendant and humiliated and taking the stand. Its to inform him. Its the put him on notice. If you take the stand, heres what we the prosecutors are going to use to impeach you. And if we look at that list today, i agree with i think some of it is not applicable here, some of it is not relevant, but some of it certainly is. For example, if donald trump takes the stand, it would be fair game for prosecutors to crossexamine mean him on. You just got hit with a massive fraud verdict. Youre not reliable, youre not a truth teller. So some of those things i think are a fair game. Trump needs to know about them and could be used to just wait from taking the stand and by the way, john, hes not taking the stand like, i know hes going to say he is every day from now until the end of the trial, it would be completely selfdestructive from to take the stand and he doesnt lead to what would he say his defense here is going to be a reasonable doubt defense. They havent proved their case. You cant rely on michael cohen. No reason for me to take the stand charged mershid still has to prepare for the possibility. He does and this is a hard trial to to keep control of already, and were only in Jury Selection. Weve done pretty pro and Jury Selection to arthurs point, how much of all this what can you be asked . How do at delay this out . How much do we have to decide even before we come to that decision, does donald j. Trump testify . Was the judge do well, i think i agree with a lot of what are the saddened, but not all of it. And i agree with the fact that there should have been done before trials that if in fact the lawyer wanted to make a colorable argument to a jury, what they might here they would have the information so that they would know. I think thats a very, very good point. Well taken point with respect to whether jurors are watching this show tonight and they may be tented, tainted rather. Of course, the jurors are told they are not to watch or listen to news reports and were going to presume that they do follow the rules. So i dont know that thats something i would worry of jurors that jurors yet theyre just 500 people who are waiting to be called into jerry jeff chip everyone watches the show, right job. So were talking about the risks of jurors in the social media age and the Cable Television age and the like. The former president on truth, social lap posted this today. Theyre catching undercover liberal activists line to the judge in order to get on the trump jury. And he says hes quoting jesse water. So foxnews, of course. Thats not a repost. Its trump. Typing out something here it on tv is he trying. To influence the jury pool and is c within the lines of the gag order is always finding the thinnest little loophole to try to work his way through a gag order. If donald trump had said that himself, if donald trump said theyre trying to lie their way into the jury straight up flagrant violation of the gag order. Theres a bit if a gray area what if he took a clip of Jesse Watters saying that and just reposted it without comment. He has done that a couple of times and i think i called it out on the show earlier. I said das office needs to stop that because its essentially him making the statement, but they have not done that and now trumps taking it to the next level where hes retyping something that a media figures said and then sending that out. I think that violates the gag order. And heres the thing. The most Sensitive Group of people here that people who need to be protected most, or the juror. So if im the judge, i have the least tolerance for anything that might interfere with the jury what does the judge do he knows what he has here as a political case, its a legal case, but its a political case and hes tried to give trumps some elasticity and sort of stretch maybe where the line is, how far can you let him go and maintain order in his courtroom . I think hes given an amazing amount of leeway and in that sense, we hear trump talking about him being treated differently. Hes getting a benefit here because the judge is not holding his feet to the fire because hes trying to be as balanced as he can because you want some move this case forward because he doesnt want any more stops. He once i get it over with. Is this one dancing on the line crossing the line it up against dancing on the line trump was doing tango lesson sweet two with his comments so i think the judge would be well within his rights to make that make that call now. But what does it get him at the end of the day, we still want to get through this as quickly as possible. Were not in the room in the past, trump has not said haim defense team, what do you think of this . Hes just hes just done im sure Judge Machine is thinking of two things. Number one. Number one, when it comes to these things, we do have First Amendment rights and thats hes just read quoting someone else. So thats one issue. What john, when it comes to the sandoval ruling, thats what its called about what could come out against donald trump if he testifies one of the Bedrock Foundation of our law is the defendant can testify and they can give their side of the story. And i think judges go out of their way to not two, not stop a defendant if on the prosecutor, i would say im not bringing any of this up. My case is so strong. I dont need to talk about what you did somewhere else. Lets talk about what you did right here. And im going to destroy you on crossexamination based on what you did right here. Were moving along judge says possibly be done in time to start monday. If youre a prosecutor looking at whats been said, the pace of selecting jurors. You happy concerned, where are you as a prosecutor . Im satisfied. Im not overjoyed. Its definitely premature. Nobody should be celebrating at this point. Looking at the seven jurors whove been picked so far, they strike me as what you would want in a jury pool. They do not appear to be. And again, we dont necessarily know about these people, but they dont appear to be ideologues. They dont appear to be people who have their hair on fire for or against donald trump. And if im a prosecutor, thats all i want. I want a rocksolid very and im watching. I am on highest alert against a rogue trump supporter. If im a prosecutor, that is i promise you the number one thing is this Person A Trump supporter, whos not fully coming out and saying it. Who knows, i dont see anything in any of those seven that leads me to believe that they may have. What about the Defense Perspective . You happy. First of all, its with the head jokes you talk about guys with their hair on fire, the tool you over there i just the opposite right. So there are jurors who are going to lie on both sides really to get on the trial because its a great trial of beyond and they may have underlying feelings when we pick the Harvey Weinstein trial, jurors, we add jurors swearing they could be fair and impartial, and then they would dismiss and we follow them On Social Media and they were bragging oh, i was almost on the trial to bring this piece of garbage down. So its its what, what were talking about here is making sure that the people who dont have any ulterior motives, what i want is a juror. I want a conductor on the subway. I want a bus driver. I want someone who died who deals with regular people all the time. And when i asked him ready get your news from they say i dont watch the news. I take care of my family, i mow the lawn and im not into this whole thing. If youre the judge here, you know that if trump is convicted, this process will be one of the things as part of any appeal. Of course so it put yourself in, judge marcia, its are you happy with this . So far . You really, you really think . Based on where we are now, i have seven looking for alternatives that we start on monday i think its entirely possible. I was surprised by the number that they gotten the day one or day oneandahalf, if you would which tells me that there probably following the rules, the lawyers are following the rules of the court, asking appropriate questions. The judge was very clear what they could ask him, what they couldnt ask the jurists seem to be interested in following the rules as well. And so i dont see why it would take that long. This is a class e nonviolent Felony Offense. So as arthur alluded to, there are only or maybe you did to only ten challenges that are peremptory challenges where someone can be challenged on the jury for any reason or no reason so long as its not discriminatory. So theyve already used more than half. They could get more, but thats discretionary. The judge could say no, thats the rule thats the law. Everyone else gets ten. You get ten and then theyre going to end up with whoever is why i have to go judging you a storied career. Did you ever try . At each level nonviolent Felony Offense no. Im john, they dont like those cases, dont go to trial. Well, the tape, please write they often take making a plea bargain misdemeanors, right. So im like nothing. Its the lowest of the low it can happen. Obviously, the defendant is facing state prison if convicted, but theres every alternative and the book, even if he is convicted on the class e felony. So that could happen too, but some some defendants have Immigration Issues or other issues and then you dont want to plead guilty and they will try their case. We finished Jury Selection first. That appears we move on. Elie honig, arthur dala, judge. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time tonight. Well continue this conversation. Trump might be envious of what happened up on capitol hill today, democrats are able to ended Impeachment Trial just hours after it began. Speaker johnsons headache, however, only growing why his job is now in deeper jeopardy. 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