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CNNW The Lead With Jake Tapper January 29, 2015

We will talk to him about the film that made some in hollywood very nervous. Good afternoon. Welcome to the lead. Im jake tapper live in new york. Those stories ahead but we begin with some breaking news in the world lead concerning the socalled taliban five. You may recall those are the five individuals that the Obama Administration traded last year for captured american Sergeant Bowe bergdahl. We are now learning that at least one of these men has returned to a life of terrorism. The swap was controversial at the time for many reasons, including allegations that bergdahl deserted his post plus the fact the swap was done without notifying congress as required by law. And now this. Cnns Barbara Starr is breaking this story right now on the lead. She joins us live from the pentagon. Barbara, what happened . Reporter good afternoon, jake. Several u. S. Officials now confirm to me that they do indeed suspect that one of the five detainees has returned to militant activity. Heres what we know. The u. S. Conducts a classified program to monitor all of their communications all five of them are in the middle east persian gulf country of qatar. In the last several months one of them has popped up those communications suspect that this individual they will not say which one of the five has reached out to militants and through those communications hes now suspected of being back involved in potentially militant activity. This has sparked a debate inside the u. S. Intelligence community. Some Officials Saying there is no direct threat their communications however being monitored even more closely now. Other Officials Saying that debate about whether or not there is a threat still open that they might now classify this man as having been confirmed to return to militant activity. Heres the bottom line, of course. Of all of the detainees released about 12 , 17 of them do return to militant activity. That is known, that is reported to congress. That is understood. There is always a risk. But now in this case in particular a potential political firestorm for the white house as you say, the release of these five men in exchange for bergdahl was controversial enough and the pentagon clearly stepping up the release of more detainees. Each and every month, trying to get as many of them out of gitmo as possible because the white house wants to close that facility down. Jake . Barbara starr, thank you so much. We have more breaking terrorism news just coming in to the lead. About three u. S. Contractors who were killed in afghanistan today. Our chief National Security correspondent jim sciutto joins us live from washington. What do you have . Reporter thats right, jake. U. S. Officials confirming the three contractors killed were americans. Another person killed an afghan national. Im told by a u. S. Official that quote, initially this looks like an insider attack though it is still being investigated. As you know a consistent problem has been socalled green on blue attacks, attacks by Afghan Forces on u. S. Forces or other u. S. Personnel. No final word on that but that scenario is being investigated now. This took place at the kabul airport base. Theres a major u. S. Coalition, i should say, military base just on the north side of that airport in kabul. Bring us back up to speed on the two hostages being held by the terrorist group isis. Is there any word yet whether they are still alive, whether the swap is going to take place . What is the status . Reporter there is dead silence, sadly. We are more than six hours past the sunset deadline that was set yesterday in a new recording from isis. No word on either the hostages. Keep in mind this is the third deadline that isis has set in the last week and some of those hostages have survived. The most worrisome sign however, is there still has been no proof of life whatsoever from the beginning of this jordanian pilot. Without that proof of life jordanian Officials Say there is no negotiation. The sunset deadline set by isis has passed but the fates of their captives Muadh Al Kasasibah and kenji goto remain unknown. Crucially, the terror group has yet to meet jordans demand for proof that their pilot is still alive. At this point, we want to emphasize that we have asked for a proof of life from daesh and we have not received anything as of yet. We need proof of life so we can proceed. Reporter todays deadline is the third isis has set in a little more than a week. The week began with this video showing two japanese hostages kenji goto and Haruna Yukawa and making the demand for a 200 million ransom from japan within 72 hours or both captives would die. The first deadline passed last friday and grim proof soon followed that one hostage had been executed. This image showing mr. Goto holding what appeared to be a photo of yukawas headless body. Goto however, was spared. What it shows is they are reacting tactically. They no longer have a strategic plan. I think they have been hurt in terms of their leadership and they are just trying to get the best thing going. Reporter days later, a change in demands. Isis now seeking the release of this convicted female jihadist sajida al rishawi, imprisoned for her role in a 2005 suicide bombing that killed dozens. Isis added a new threat. If the swap was not made the jordanian pilot, lieutenant al kasasibah, would die along with goto. Theres a huge difference between a prisoner swap between warring factions and a ransom request by a terrorist organization to a political party. Thats the key difference. Reporter finally last night, isis issued a new ultimatum. Deliver ms. Rishawi to the Turkish Border by sunset today or lieutenant al kasasibah and mr. Goto would not survive the day. The relentless back and forth raised hard questions about whether isis was truly negotiating at all. And whether jordan made a mistake to try. They are attempting to elevate themselves into the status of a Political Movement and a state. They are not. They are a terrorist organization. Reporter jordan does consider this the equivalent of a prisoner swap Something Like a prisoner of war swap despite opposition they have had from others and they also say that because this convicted terrorist, this female failed suicide bomber did not kill anyone if only because her suicide vest did not go off, since she doesnt have blood on her hands its a more manageable negotiation but by any account this is a messy negotiation and these constantly changing deadlines, the lack of proof of life show the real difficulty in having any sort of discussion like this with a group like isis. Jim sciutto, thank you so much. The life of japanese journalist kenji goto also hangs in the balance, of course. Today, we found out that since december his wife has been exchanging emails with the isis terrorists who are holding her husband captive. Cnns will ripley joins us live from tokyo. Will what is the family saying about this . Reporter well kenji gotos wife is saying the last and perhaps final email from isis came about 24 hours ago where they said if she did not do everything in her power to get their message out, that her husband in their words would be next implying that he could very likely be killed if their demand that sunset deadline passed and they didnt get Sajida Rishawi back in the fold. I want to play a portion of the message she recorded. My husband and i [ inaudible ]. Our baby girl was only three weeks old when kenji left. Reporter jake gotos wife says she has stayed silent until now because she is trying to protect their two daughters from all of this and also because she has been fighting behind the scenes for her husbands release but she says she is coming forward now because she fears her husband may have just hours left. Jake . Will ripley live in tokyo, thank you so much. Joining me now to discuss all of this is the former commander in chief of u. S. Central command, general anthony zinney author of the book before the first shots are fired. We have lots to discuss. Thanks for joining us. Lets start with Barbara Starrs report that one of the taliban five who was swapped for Bowe Bergdahl has now, according to pentagon sources, returned to terrorism. I guess its about as predictable as the sun coming up. Thats why most of these guys were in gitmo. Whats your reaction . Well, i think its inevitable that a percentage of them will return to the battlefield. Thats the risk you take on the release. Im even surprised as barbara said its as low as 12 to 17 . But it is a fact of life when they go back that some are going to return or be compelled to return or even reradicalized in some form. Its a difficult decision i suppose, because whether its one of the taliban five or whether its this iraqi suicide bomber woman that isis wants to swap its being done to save the life of an innocent whether Bowe Bergdahl or the isis hostages but releasing these people could theoretically cause even more loss of innocent life. Yeah, i think thats true. In their perverted sense of how they see the world, i think isis and other extremist groups see value in all this. They get plenty of media attention. They could get Something Like release of prisoners or money for the exchange. They get in their eyes recognition by another state that is forced to do business with them. I think also they see it as a way of maybe turning the people of the government theyre dealing with against the war or their Government Support for the war. Again, in their sense of the way they see the world, there are all upsides to what theyre doing. Practically speaking is a ransom or a hostage swap preferable . Which one is least likely to cause the death of innocent people at the end of the day . Well i would worry more about the money. When youre talking hundreds of millions of dollars, you can imagine what that might be spent on in terms of weapons systems, training of their people a whole host of things that could bring. If youre giving up a handful of people or an individual that probably is less potentially damaging or destructive down the road. Of course the israelis gave up a thousand prisoners for their one soldier. That may be a little bit different situation. They may be better able to track those that they release. But i do think the money is more damaging in the end. Speaking of tracking these five individuals, the taliban five they were originally sent to qatar, required to stay there for a year and they of course were supposed to be monitored by the qatar government. Do you think thats happening . Can such a situation even be relied upon by the u. S. Government . Well i think we have to have our own means of tracking and obviously, there is some responsibility that falls on the qataris in terms of monitoring them and controlling their movements. It wasnt clear to me coming from what barbara said that they had actually returned to afghanistan and on to the battlefield as you might say, or if they are in some ways communicating with the taliban. But if they have left and have gone back to afghanistan, i think theres going to be some serious repercussions, especially with our relationships with qatar. General, thank you as always for your insight. We appreciate it. 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Im joined now by gina piazza. Thanks so much for being here. First of all, where do your kids go to school how old are they and whats your concern . Is there a big problem in your school . Thank you for having me. My son goes to Walters School of Orange County in Orange County. Hes 7 and hes in second grade. This is an ongoing concern year after year. Last year it was the whooping cough. This year its the measles. Its a constant concern. I fully vaccinate, always have on schedule and its an ongoing conversation in my circle of friends. Whats driving the antivaccine trend among parents at that school . What do they say . They think their kids are going to get autism do they just not want to put chemicals in their kids bodies . Whats the justification . Its a little bit of everything. I believe its the chemical aspect mistrust of the pharmaceutical Companies Ingredients and i also have to say that a lot of them see dr. Sears and dr. Sears is a big factor. He promotes this in public he says that vaccinations he backs them 100 yet in his office thats not so. What do you say to the parents who say, and obviously i do not agree with this but what do you say to the parents who say hey, its my child, its my choice its none of your business . Whats your response . I say it is my business because i have family and friends that are not yet old enough to be vaccinated and also we live in this world together. We all travel we all go to other places which is disneyland is a perfect example. When something can spread very quickly out of our control, and as far as im concerned, i have to take control of my family and i vaccinate and i wish everybody else would do the same and protect the most vulnerable in our society. This is a disease that was also wiped out basically about a decade ago, now cases of measles on the rise. Has this recent outbreak changed any attitud

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