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CNNW The Lead With Jake Tapper May 21, 2015

Out his future wife. Today the nfl star learned hes no longer facing Domestic Violence charges. So is he getting special treatment . Good afternoon, everyone. Im jake tapper. Welcome to the lead. Horrifying news in the world lead today. They are everywhere. And an eyewitness in syria pleads innocence cannot escape isis. Undeterred in its bloody quest to take over syria and iraq the terrorist group is conquering more cities adding to its evergrowing list of territory it controls. Today, a crossroads of ancient civilization. The latest conquest meaning isis now has more than half of syria in its brutal grip. According to a syrian human rights group. Monday it was ra maud anymadi in iraq 70 miles from baghdad. And the iraqi army in absolute disarray. Senior u. S. Military officials telling cnn that iraqi forces in ramadi had the advantage 101 were not under any direct fire but regardless they tucked tail and ran. The chairman of the joint chiefs general dempsey saying the iraqis werent driven out ramadi. They drove out of ramadi. President obama echoing commanders in the military downplaying what ramadi means to the coalition claiming this loss a tech tickle setback. The commander in chief fervent the u. S. Is not losing this war, but on capitol hill today alarm bells, louder and louder as battlefield overs acknowledge that isis goal of establishing a socalled islamic caliphate may already be the horrific reality. Reporter the syrian city of pal mira the latest to fall 20 isis. To isis. The terrorist group now controls half of syria. [ speaking in Foreign Language ] and it has seized ramadi in iraq according to military officials. Fall of ramadi exposed a weakness of the current iraq strategy. Reporter this morning the Senate Armed Services Committee Heard the hard truth. This is a group of unfathomable evil and unfortunately, they are extremely effective. Reporter expert voices in the National Security Community Say its time to stop saying isis wants to establish an islamic caliphate and time to acknowledge it already has. Isis is very professional very organized, has created successfully an Islamic State. Admit it. They run three or four city probably have 2 Million People under their control. Reporter former clinton, bush and Reagan White House terrorism advisers says the terror group surpassed al qaeda. Both wanted to build a caliphate ultimately but isis or daesh as the aeshsy call it went straight to it. Reporter bush secretary of defense seems to have a take. A lot of american blood sthed in ramadi. To have it in the hands of isis is hard to characterize other than a major setback. Reporter president obama is trying to do just that calling the victory a mere tactical setback. In an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg today. Here are the facts. In just over a year isis planted its infamous black flag acrosseverexpanding territory. In iraq fallujah mosul, second largest city and this week ramadi, a key staging ground to take baghdad, which is fewer than 70 miles away. In syria, raqa al ba budget and palmira have fallen. This map from the institute of the study of war show them controlling area in black, area of support in brown representing millions of civilians at risk. As well as important strategic resources. New video released today showing them at a gas field, 50 kilometers northeast of paulmira, the white house says it has no plans to change anything in its war against isis there have been areas of setback, too, that doesnt mean that the strategy needs to be discarded. Reporter obama former defense secretary says he ought to reconsider. I think that they do need to at least revisit the rules of engagement for our troops. Lets bring in retired fwrig deer general, deputy of operations in the iraq and served in the Bush Administration as Deputy Assistant secretary of defense for the middle east among other positions. Thanks for being here. Sure. Lets talk about this region. Do you agree with those who are saying we need to acknowledge the fact that isis has established something of a caliphate . It controls so much territory, so many millions of people . Yeah. Weve got to establish they are trying to set up a state. Theyre putting in functioning systems, parking meters cops on the streets but very solidified into a stru state. In the long run it will push back because people dont want to be controlled by isis. Reporter talk about the city of paulmira if we could, if you want to go to the next thing. Here it is. A lot of the focus has been on the historical antiquities as well as the people in the area. What about the battlefield consequences of controlling this city . Its a very important point, because pallmira is between holmes and deir ezor. Right now forces inside syria and iraq are supported by supply lines that go from raqa down to ramadi. But when you now add this supply line that goes in thats just more support between the raqa route and the homs route so both in iraq and syria they could be resupplied and frankly the assad regime is cut off at damascus. You heard the joint chiefs of staff, general dempsey, saying the iraqis were not driven out of ramadi. They drove out of ramadi. General, if iraqis wont fight this war, can it be won . I think it can, and i believe that the comments made by secretary gates were exactly right. We need to look at the rules of engagement. Now our advisers are down at brigade level and not below. Front lines, dont have american advisers standing sidebyside with iraqi advisers. In some cases iranian advisers. We need to investigate a policy change to get our people to stand next to those iraqi soldiers quite frankly, small number of american soldiers can hold the line along with battalions worth of iraqis. Its proven its merit in other countries and i think it can prove it here. Right now cnn reporting indicates u. S. Officials believe iraqi forces out numbered isis forces in ramadi 101 and the iraqi forces were not under fire when they fled. Is there any battlefield rationale that could explain their leaving ramadi . The iraqi forces . Its leadership and will to fight. Saw it with the french in 1940. They ran, outnumbered the germans 101 and the germans got through their lines very very quickly. Thats the whole idea of putting advisers sidebyside combathardened american captains not many of them that will keep them when in the middle of the fight things look so desperate, that young captain can say, colonel, dont worry. Were going to get through this. We need to hold the line. Were going to win. Bottom line do the continuing losses on the battlefield signal to you that the strategy needs to change versus isis . I think the fundamental strategy is right. By with and through iraqis theyve got to want it more than we do theyve got to do the fighting but small numbers of american advisers working sidebyside additional intelligence enablers more fire power, in the long run, thats going to be the secret to the success of the strategy and i believe it can work if given time to work. And whats your take on Iraqi Government officials asking for help from shia forces led by iranian commanders thats something the u. S. Government is not excited about but maybe hasnt protested as much as one would think they would . Frankly, i think thats the flaw in the current approach. When you add shia militias into Anbar Province youve inserted a sectarian element in the fight that wasnt there before. Against isil a fight for iraq. You start putting shia militia fighting against sunni tribesmen and al qaeda, in dosh brings on a different tenor to the fight than weve seen so far. Wait except the battlefield losses in the short term and recognize in the long run the iraqi forces are larger stronger and when they get combat seasoned theyll be much better and can push isil out of the country. Brigadier general, appreciate your time. Terrified residents saying isis fighter are everywhere. Standing at the crossroads of several civilian sagss overtaken by the terrorist group. Why the fear is not just for the people who live there, also for the irreplaceable artifacts. Thats next. Big day . Ah, the usual. Moved some new cars. Hauled a bunch of steel. Kept the supermarket shelves stocked. Made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. Whats up for the next shift . Ah, nothing much. Just keeping the lights on. laugh nice. Doing the big things that move an economy. See you tomorrow, mac. See you tomorrow, sam. 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Right to Cnn Senior International correspondent nick paton walsh. Nick whats the latest on the ground in palmira . What are you hearing . Reporter were seeing social media emerged showing deserted streets to some degree but also people gathering in one city center. It seems by the new isis fighters who are have come in and chanting Islamic State among some of them. This is obviously the beginning of isis presence inside that city. According to eyewitnesses theyre going door to door looking for soldiers and being relatively nice to the residents of the town. Common tactic. Start soft and get more brutal with the regime that want in place as time goes by. All eyesen 0 the ruins on the outskirts of the city jake. This is something that dates back to First Century and its where roman traders used to mingle with members of the persian empire theres. Quite stunning beauty. Now risks potentially being under the sledge hammers and gun powder of isil. If they do the activity normally espousened and other antiquities around iraq jake. As you know the addition to the human toll an alarm sounded by the u. N. And other groups about historical sites saying they could be looted and destroyed. Is anyone guarding them ought all . At all . Reporter the video we saw shows very little presence at all. Of regime. Obviously, they fled but anything else really seemed limited, too. I imagine most people are going to have free reign over the antiquities. Some were evacuated. Must be a limited job the regime could pull off given other concerns they clearly had simply defending their own lives. Yes, it is open territory for them. Unlikely they will sell them or hoard them given past history, prefer the shock value of simply destroying them jake. Nick paton walsh in beirut lebanon. Thank you so much. Just what does isis hope to accomplish wiping historical treasures off the map . Joining me along orkrcheologist who specializes in protection of heritage. Thank you norfor joining us. No evidence yet of destroying antiquities or historical sites but weve seen them take sledge hammers to other places including the museum in iraq. Why . Theyve looted. What do they stand to gain doing this . A couple reasons why theyre damaging sites. One is the ob yis publicity example you cited for the muslim museum. Other sites in Northern Iraq where theyre demonstrating their ability to terrorize a local community. And theres several audiences for this. There is the western the western media, and that market, but theres also a local market to so terror and power over sites that lots of local folks would love to see protected and preserved. And many local Cultural Heritage experts who have tried to preserve the sites in the face of this really incredible danger. Hmm. Interesting. Weve seen video of them destroying artifacts in museums, but also heard that they sell some of them as well. So i dont know if isis is doing the direct sales, but i can tell you that they control areas of archaeological sites that have been very heavily damaged. Were talking about sites like duri ropus like swiss cheese now pocked with marks. Some of the most famous sites what we consider the cradle of civilization have been looted under isis control and isis is given the monetary benefit from those sales. I need to understand though i think a lot of viewers have probably never heard of palmira. Whats the importance . Antiquities and historical sites . What are we talking about . Its one of six archaeological sites a World Heritage site in syria but there are thousands throughout syria and many of those have been damaged. What were looking at in pal palmyra, strategically important and the crossroads of the east meets the west where the romans set up camp. Lots of the sites getting damaged by isis today are sites that we could learn so much about the ancient past from. And youve been to both iraq and syria. Right . On archaeological missions. What more can be done to protect the sites separate from whats going on with isis right now . Its really hard from a das tans to watch this knowing how little we actually can do, but theres two things i would bring up with this and encourage viewers to think about, and one is that we need import restrictions in the u. S. To make sure that no one is accidentally buying stolen syrian artifacts or iraqi artifacts that will then profit isis. The other one, we need to make sure theres no accidental damage to cultural sites when isis is targeted by u. S. Air strikes. Thank you so much. Appreciate your time. Coming up weve learned the Baltimore States attorney Marilyn Mosby will give an update on the freddie gray case. Thaets set thats set to start in a few minutes. 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