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CNNW The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer April 23, 2020

Leapfrogging, i would advise him as a Health Official and a physician not to do that. Reporter and triggers new outbreak and public fear. New hot spots in mid western communities, meat packing plants and manufacturing facilitieses. Boston still has not hit its peak. And in wisconsin, at least 19 cases are tied to inperson primary voting. And a hidden explosion of coronavirus was rapidly through u. S. Cities before government leaders knew what was happening. According to research. Outbreaks in new york, boston, chicago and seattle long before testing revealed problems. We have a lot of Community Transmission that was unknown. And the efforts in the beginning to contain and mitigate, i was out of the bag at that point. Reporter and a preliminary study announced by Governor Cuomo, 13. 9 of new yorkers tested positive for antibodies. Win hen we say there are 15, deaths, that number is going to go up. That death is hospitalization and nursing home deaths. It does not the have what are called athome deaths. Reporter wolf, getting back to the confusion here in georgia. Yes, its true that businesses are expected at least some of of them to open tomorrow. But then there is state. A state is still under a stay at home order, a quarantine until the end of the month. So what is a person to do . Stay home or go to the businesses that are supposedly opening. No one is really sure what is going to happen tomorrow. Wor wolf . We will watch it with you. Martin savage, thank you. And georgias governor faces puck back. We know e why the president went from praising the plan to publicly criticizing it. Jim acosta. The Coronavirus Task force apparently swayed the president , right . Thats right. We will learning details about how members of Coronavirus Task force tried to dissuade governor brian kemp. And its a battle between trump and his own scientists. It was a major reversal. And the president came out against georgia on friday. I told the governor of georgia, i strongly disagree with his decision to open certain facilities, in violation of the phase one guidelines. He must do what he thinks is right. Reporter the top doctors were trying to make him in that shift. He was backing kemp and other governors racing to reopen his states. He is a very good gov major, georgia, a lot of states are in great shape. Reporter at a Coronavirus Task force meeting before wednesday, dr. Fauci said i cannot defend it publicly. They urged dr. Birx to urge trump to come out against the proposal. It would tell him that he should be careful. And i would advice him not to just turn the switch on and go. Because there is a danger of a rebound. Going ahead and leapfrogging in phases where should you not be, i would advise him as a Health Official and physician not to do that. Reporter its one of several flash points between the president and the scientists. Dr. Robert redfield had been misquoted when warned a second wround of the virus could hammer them in flu season. He was misquoted. Totally misquoted. Reporter but he said he was misquoted. Im accurately quoted in the washington post. When mr. Trump doubled down, fauci disagreed. There will be coronavirus in the fall. Reporter and in a statement, i am speaking out to on combat the deadly virus, science, nothing else, has to lead the way, and part of it is hydr hydroxcolhydro hydroxchloroquirne. And on the shes of testing for the virus, nor contradictions. The president claims the u. S. Has tremendous Testing Capacity. Fauci tells time magazine, that is not the case. I am not overly comfort right now at all that we have what it takes to do that. We are Getting Better and better at it an as the week goes by, but we are not in a swrigs itua where we say we are where we want to be. Reporter as 4. 4 million americans file unemployment claims last week for 26. 5 million in five weeks. Andrew cuomo is blasting Mitch Mcconnell who said he didnt want accounts reloaf to become a bail out for states. New york puts in more money that the federal pot than it takes out. His state takes out more than it puts in. Senator mcconnell, who is getting bailed out here . Its your state that is living on the money that we generate. Your state is getting bailed out. Not my state. Reporter now, as for dr. Bright, his Attorney Says they will be filing a whistle bloer complaint and say the administration has been spreading falsehoods. Jim, thanks very much. Lets go to the briefing right now. The Vice President just introducing william brian, the deputy under secretary for science and technology. Im anxious to hear what he has to say. Thank you for this opportunity to do this today. Good evening. My name is bill brian enter i lead the science and Technology Director a the hospital of homeland security. In the last several months we have intensified efforts to deliver and identify information reelated to koeft 19. We are working to identify, develop, deploy the information and response to the crisis. We are leveraging the capabilities of the biodefense analysis to study the biology of the virus. The center is a Containment Laboratory in frederick, maryland. It was established in the early 2000s in the anthrax attacks and where we study threats to homeland. We were work closely with the cdc, fda, and department of defense colleagues and many others. Yesterday, i shared the emerging result of our work that we are doing now with the Coronavirus Task force and today, i would like to share a certain trend that we believe are important. If i may have the first slide please who please. While that is coming up, the powerful effect that solar light has on the virus, in surfaces and air. And temperature and humidity, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both. If you look to the right, you will see term half life. A bunch of time stramps on up there. Let me step you what a half life is. We dont measure the virus, how long it will live on the surface. We have to bhmeasure a virus in terms of half life. When dont know how much someone spis, sneezes, we dont know how much of a virus is in there. That has a long a bearing how long the virus is going to be alive and active. We measure it in half life. Half life doesnt want change. A 18hour half life, every 18 hours, the virus, the life of the virus is cut in laugh. If you start with 1,000 particles of the virus and you are down to 500 and 18 hours after that, you are down to 250, so on and so forth. That is important as i explain. When you see the world surface, we are talking door handles, stainless steel. As the temperature increases, as the humidity increases, with no sun involved, you can see how drastically the half life goes down. The virus is dying at the a more rapid pace just to exposure from higher temperatures and humidity. If you look a the fourth line, you inject incite in that, uv rays, the same effects on line two, with the 80 humidity. It goes from six hours to two minutes. That is how much uv impact. And air. What does it the do in the air. We have a new week capabilities. I was discussing the president with this. We are the only lab in country that. But if you imagine a five gallon home depot bucket. We are able to take a part the kl, developed and designed by our folks. We are able to take a particle of a virus and suspend it in an air inside a drum and hit it with various temperatures, humidity levels, multiple different kinds of environmental conditions to include sunlight. And were able to measure decay of that virus while its s suspended in the air. We work with john hopkins and we developed a larger droum to do more testing in. That is what we bring to this effort. In summary, within the conditions we have tested today, the virus and droplets of saliva survives best in indoor conditions. And it does not the survive well in droplets of saliva. Its not the done with the virus or in saliva or respiratory fluids. It dies the quickest in direct sunlight. Look at tand the it cuts down t a minute and a half. Significant difference when it hit is uv rays. Mr. President , there are many unknown links in the chain, we believe they can support practical Decision Making to lower the risks associated with the virus. My next slide. You will see a number of Practical Applications. For example, increasing the the and humidity of indoor spaces appears to we are deuce the virus. And extra care for dry environments that do not have exposure. We have tested bleach we have tested alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or respiratory fluids. Bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. And alcohol will kill it in 30 seconds. You rub it and it goes away faster. Were looking at other disinfectants. The covid19 virus in saliva. This is not the end of our work. We continue to characterize the virus in Practical Applications to mitigate exposure and transmission. I would like to thank the president , for their work. And i would like to thank the scientists in snt and in the community. Thank you very much. Mr. Brian . Thank you. I will have a question proprobably some of you are thinking we will continue to monitor this. I want to get analysis of what e we just heard, the younger second for sign and technology. Saying sunlight, humidity increasing the temperature can have a very important effect in decaying the life of the virus. The coronavirus, and reduce its half life very are, very dramatically. He says bleach and some forms of alcohol will kill the virus as well. John king, i went to get your Immediate Reaction to this. It looks like in the hot weather with, if there is a lot of humidity and a lot of sunlight, that may to wont withering in terms of killing the virus f you believe what the under secretary had to say. If you believe. But because of so much of what the administration has put out, has turned out not to be with it. But that would be encouraging, as we move in the summer, the coronavirus is vulnerable to e heat, vauler inible to sunlight, maybe to humidity, the numbers would go down. Im really interested in what other sign to tiss and what the doctors say about this. Ly just say this of. Having watched all the briefings hold on for a moment. The president is starting to answer questions. I want to listen in. Until we feel its safe, were going to be extending it. You have 23 states where new cases are on decline. What does it mean about when the country can be reopened to a normal point. We are going to watch those cases very carefully. We have all gotten good at it. We have gotten good at tracing. We see where the cases are, where theyre going and were going to be watching and it we will be an able to contain. And you know, when you see this, a lot of people have been talking about summer. Maybe this is one of the reasons. I once mentioned that maybe it do go with heat and light and people didnt like that statement very much. The fake news didnt like it at all. And i just threw it out as a suggestion but it seems like thats the case. When its on a surface that will last a long time. When the surface is outside, it goes away very quickly. It dies quickly with the sun. Go ahead. You said yesterday you will look in senator mcconnells suggestion for declare bankruptcy. We will look into it. I have been talking to a lot of different senators. That was a very interesting presentation. I want to talk about mcconnells suggestion that aid to the states. I will not talk about it. I will talk about it later. I would like to talk about something that is more interesting. Can i ask mr. Brian a question . Yeah, sure. Thank you, when you started your presentation, you describe this as an emerging result. Does it mean your study is conclusive . Is there more work to do . We are continuing that. On the aerosole side. We will looking at soar disinfectants. And a scientistic community, we are continuing to study it to understand it characteristics. Can you explain why some hot spots in the u. S. Are hot and humid, like new orleans, for example. If you look at the coronavirus adds coronavirus as a chain with many links, we have identified some of the weak links in the chain. Heat and humidity. Sunlight, sol lor light. Uc rays is a weakness. It doesnt take away, the guidance from the white house, the cdc and others on the actions and steps that people need to take to protect themselves. This is just another tool in the tool box. Another weapon in the fight. That we can add to it and in the summer, we know that summerlike conditions are going to create the an environment with a transmission can be decreased in. That is an opportunity for us to get away. The president mentioned the idea of cleaners, bleach, isopropyl alcohol, that cannot be injected in a person. We dont do that in the study n our labs. Talking about sterilization of an area. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesnt work. But it certainly has a big effect. So how can you simplifying too much by saying it would be better with the warmer weather and the sun coming out more and more, people will be outside than staying inside their home, confined to the it would be irresponsible for us to say that we feel the summer is going to tolly kill the virus and its a free for all and people ignore that is not the case. We have an opportunity, though, to get ahead. With what we know now and factor that in the Decision Making for what opens and what doesnt. We are saying on surfaces, the heat, the hot summer, and whatever other conditions, humidity and lack of humidity, that would have an impact . So that on surfaces, where it can be picked up, it will die fairly quickly, and in the winter yeah, take playground equipment. The uv rays hitting playground equipment, it will kill the virus on the equipment. But underneath where the sun does not get, if someone touched it, it the could still be there. It has to be in direct light of uv rays. And if its on someones hand and they havent touched if its exposed in the sun they are outside, right, and the hands are exposed to the sun, will that kill it as though it were on a piece of metal or Something Else . I dont want to say at the same right baa its a nonporous surface. But we look at the worst case nair ow scenario, and in theory, what you said is correct. That is seminonporous, correct . Correct. Wait, wait, wait. How should governors who wheare opening their states incorporate the findings of the study to the guidelines. This is a factor in the division process. As i mention, having this knowledge as we continue to study and further know what the virus does and how it reacts, it could impact how he opens it a state and what virms. I leave that to the governors. With the summer, the uv rays, and the humidity that washington brings in august. I would not go contrary to the guidelines that have hued right now. I think to tell thaw if im having an e event with my family, im doing it it in the driveway or backyards. Im thinking of moving outside to the rose garden. Very interesting question. Okay on. How much more research, time will it have to be concluding results. We first received the virus in february. And science is a process, the doctor can attest toe that. It doesnt line up with goals and targets and other things. It is what it is. But we e e are now starting to get results. And every week or two weeks, we are starting to find out something new. And and the president has asked us, the discoveries that we could share to the public. Have you compared notes with your counterparts in private industry who might have been studying the same thing, and are they finding the same result that you found here . We do have a very good Pa Partnership with a lot of allies. We have a master questions list. We have had about 17,000 hits on a document that outlines what all the countries in the world are doing to to fill the gaps of knowledge that dont exist within the virus. What we do know. What is what targets and drives the community. What dont we know now so we dont duplicate what others have done. We reference that document. We are working with other countries on vaccines. Go ahead. If there is a summer with this virus, what would the federal government need to do to take advantage of that time in the beginning if there is a summer ebb with the virus, what will the federal government need to do to take advantage of the time to be better prepared for a resur jgee in the fall . I think a lot of people will go outside all of a sudden. To me, this is really a very interesting meeting. We covered it in great the detail and these are incredible detail, a laboratory. That is e e essentially what it is. A super laboratory. A lot of things going on. A lot of interesting things going on at that laboratory. What would you and others need to do on testing to be prepared if it came back . How could you take advantage . Nthat is a very good questio. Discussing that we are if a combination of factor, let me say again, as stays put in practice, the guidelines, to open up america again, implement a safe and responsible plan to open up their economies, along the lines the president unveiled a week ago today, people continue to properly exercise social distancing as its recommended in each phase. That in combination with some of the findings could give us a summer respite from the summer virus. And our team is talking about working on a continuous basis through this summer. Every day, we are increasing testing. Every day. Air bridge flights are coming in the count. I can promise you, there will be no letting up on making sure that our hospitals have the equipment, have the personal protective supplies for medical personnel. No letting up on the development of therapeutics by the great pharmaceutical companies, driving towards a vaccine as po soon as possible. And we are continuing with testing, more many anybody in the world. We will have a broad range of testing and a var rye testiiety and should the coronavirus reemerge at any point next fall or next winter, we will be prepared to deal with it. Identify it, do the Contract Tracing and isolation to ensure that we deal with this epidemic in the manner that we deal with infectious diseases. Okay . Mr. President , on the subject of medical research, why have you stopped promoting hydroxychloroquine . We have had results that were not so good. And have i read i havent at all. Its a great for malaria, for lupus and other things. But i guess we have many studies going on. We will be able to learn. And a study that shows i have not seen it. Go ahead. Mr. President , over 26 million jobless claims this week. The Vice

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