Was talking about. So that made the conundrum period youre talking about much easier for our crowd because, we had the agenda in a 300 page book that people had internalized. People those who had worked for the campaign. We had the game plan set out for us and the reason i say that is a blessing, that we were blessed and having to run the campaign is that it made the george w. Bush administration unusually well prepared to govern and the said development and a lot of and are campaigning now is that policy does nothing to be that important and i think what we need to find is a way back, i dont think a particularly helps of the country thinks it is candidate is not bright. We need to find a way back to a mode of campaigning and politics where the candidates with the agendas and the agendas that suggested people, and what the people do in the first hundred days is what the country wants done. I think that is good be critical for our politics Going Forward. You could say that the most important thing Going Forward for the transition is having an articulated policy agenda as you come into office and really developing it at this point said that you know what you are going to do and organizationally that you can put together. Both. As a much better way of saying what i intended to say. [laughter] you set the table very nicely for the professor. [laughter] there are differences in types of transitions that you have. We going from democrats did democrats or republicans to republicans. The change of party transition. Both of you all were involved in change of party but how did you, you are in the george h. W. Bush administration and that was one from reagan to george h. W. Bush, whether the differences between the two and how should the two candidates, Hillary Clinton and donald trump think at this point about the differences in the types of transitions theyre going have and what differences they should make to how they prepare . I will take a first stab at it. I think first of all, the fun of the point i would make, the one that we have suggested a couple thousand is discussions of art is that both the Clinton Campaign and the trunk Campaign Already have established transition efforts in place and i think that reflects the environment that we talked about this morning. Obviously as some know, with john podesta as secretary Clinton Campaign, chairs he is very knowledgeable. The trump people have established, a credible transition effort. We have talked earlier. That is number one. Having gone through the change of parties, that is a very different dynamic than when you have a not a change of parties. It will be interesting and kris can speak to it, if secretary clinton is elected, how the transition will take place with the Obama Administration because that will be the same party. In our case, you were clearly got to have a significant change not only in terms of policy and direction and style, but in terms of personnel. I was understood and agreed upon. I would really harken back to the Central Point you already made, this is one of the few areas that truly bipartisan cooperation, sincere bipartisan cooperation takes place. As the governor like to say, it is fun to combat put on their stories and cooperate for the good of the country. I think that happens regardless of whether it is party to party or a different party. It is a very different dynamic. I think the changes more dramatic as you would think when you have republicans and republicans democrats and vice versa. I think it is a little more complicated and tedious when you have one party transferring to the same party. We will feel that takes place with the selection. See if that takes place this election. Lets the if you can take a swing at that. I was a junior appointee in the incoming bush 41 administration and there were a lot of rough spots in part because when there is a transition in the same party, the political appointees have a tendency to think they are welcome to stay so theres an important element of expectations management that needs to be done largely by the outgoing president. To let everybody know that you dont automatically get to stay. It will be at the sufferance of the new president. This is in a third reagan term. Status secretary clinton wins, not a third obama term. It will be the first Hillary Clinton term. It is important for the outgoing president to set expectations properly and probably to direct that everybody send to the president the resignation now and let the president decide, let the incoming president decide whether to accept them. There is a benefit to a same party transition and that is, although the incoming president of the same party will almost certainly want to change over all or a most all of the cabinet, there are number of subcabinet positions that are pretty technical in nature for which it will take time to get your own good people in place and you can keep the gears are government running much more smoothly and aggressively if you can keep a number of those people in place. It requires both expectation management and a fair amount of planning on the part of the incoming president of the same party, which i assume given the very experience people involved in the Clinton Campaign is well on their minds. You are helpful when you sent the were very healthily for the letter to the particle appointed time and that their term was up. Even provided a sample letter. [laughter] it wasnt really a suggestion. [laughter] there is principle that we have of one president at a time and in the 2008 transition, seem to be not quite so clear. There were certain things that happened and particularly with the financial meltdown that you all at the obama people had to do and work together. Can tells up and about that . You tell us something about that . We did all this planning. We were having a financial crisis at the time. The same kind of training applied. The same sort of close interaction between the outgoing and the incoming applied and for the most part, it went smoothly. Not entirely smoothly. There was an episode involving the bailout of the Auto Industry in which the Bush Administration had concluded against the political wisdom of most of the republicans in the congress that the federal government did need to do something to step in to support the Auto Industry. Left there would be major bankruptcy that i would have a cascading effect on the economy. We had hoped with the support of the incoming clinton team to appoint an auto czar. Sorry, freudian slip. [laughter] the incoming obama team that we would hope in cooperation with them that we would name and auto czar those accountable to the Bush Administration but was really the Obama Administrations auto czar so we could set in motion the process of rescuing the Auto Industry but that the Auto Industry would understand that they cannot game the system. Could not game the system. [indiscernible] was that president bush . [laughter] the Auto Industry that we had wanted to have a consistent policy so that the Auto Industry would know what to expect and know they could not game the system and that from our side we would ensure that they survive well into the beginning of the Obama Administration but also wanted to be sure that we put in place some very tough strictures on federal risk for support that would require the industry to take difficult step to make up the competitive going into the future so it was that money down the drain. Ultimately, that is basically what happened but the Obama Administration was reluctant to be seen to be cooperating with the Bush Administrations son never took us up on this offer of a straddling auto czar and we basically had to put in place ourselves. It worked out ok in the end. That is an example of where the notion of the incoming cooperating with the outgoing and the incoming had basically just run against and defeated was a bridge too far. It was not a eisenhower and truman moment of the kind that you referenced in your opening remarks but it was a clear indicator that there were limits to the number of and depth of whom by all humans and by all moments cum buy ya moments. In the midst of the financial crisis was absolutely critical to the Financial Wellbeing of the entire planet and steps that president bush took at the end of his administration to staunch the crisis were largely picked up by the Obama Administration and extended. There was not an abrupt shift in policy. It is interesting that the person whom president obama picked to be his first treasury secretary and therefore really the navigator of the course in responding to the financial crisis was tim geithner. Who had been a democratic treasury appointee earlier in his career but at the time of the financial crisis during the which administration was the president of the new york fed. Geithner was part of the triumvirate. That triumvirate is the one that really charted out a course for responding to the crisis on him president bush relied in making his decisions. There was an unusual element of continuity between the bush and Obama Administrations and the stewardship in response to the crisis. It has to be regarded as one of the most affected government responses in the history of economic policymaking. To really underscore that, josh and his typically modest way has not stated as darkly as i think it was. I think you make such a key point about one president at a time. That is the fundamental tenet of any transition. In this case with the economic crisis, not a security crisis, i figure country truly looked into the abyss of what likely would have been a depression had that transition not been handled in the way that it was just outlined in terms of the Bush Administration and the Obama Administration coming in. It was seamless, appropriate, may not had fully integrated on every issue but it was absolutely crucial at the time to avoid what likely would have been a depression to restore stability and order and i think our entire country and for that matter the World Economy benefited from that i commend you. I think theres a row respect real respect between anyone who has had that sacred responsibility as president of the one president at a time. I think we certainly experienced that with president bush 41 in the Clinton Administration. That served our country and our democracy world well. Thank you very much. We will never to questions. Now go to questions. Raise a hand and a microphone will go to you. Can you give us a quick discussion of what happened on 2004 and 2012 on president ial planning . Start transition planning while the running for reelection . And theres a vulnerable period if the other person were to win. That is a great question. The answer is, very little. It is just against the nature of any incumbent administration running for reelection even to contemplate the possibility that they might have to transition out so as great as president bushs leadership was in directing the 2008 transition, i would have to say that there is very little done in 2004. You should post the same question to chris lu he was the cabinet secretary 2012. My guess is you will come up with a very similar answer. It is a significant problem but that may just fall into the bridge too far category of actually doing, the incumbent doing preparation tumor met to permit the person to just eat him and cut him smoothly. Here is where i think organizations like the white house transition project can play crucial role because they are institutionalizing the mechanics and the wisdom of president ial transitioning and so when you cant rely on the white house to be as forthcoming as you would like them to be, there are these outside entities who can do precisely that. In addition, there is legislation that covers this. The 2010 legislation on transition provided that a president may create a Transition Coordinating Council and may create a Agency Transition directors counsel but nothing having happened in 2012 and have in london that experience that 2016 legislation says the President Shall take action. Shall create six month before hand the transition correlating counsel coordinating council. That mark was may 8 and may 6. The president issued the executive order entered into effect that legislation. The legislation called for the transition directors counsel, that one has to meet at least once a year. That is a continuing body a proper action preparation. You make a good point. The optics of running for reelection in preparing for your successor, people are going to think they know they are going to lose. That is a good point. Worse than measuring the drapes is taking them down. [laughter] other questions . [indiscernible] getting elected, did it change what they did in the 77 days which turned out to be not that many days . We did not have 77 days. We had clay was the transition director. He remembers it, every minute of it. 38 days. I hope you will have a chance to address this when you come up but the first 39 days of the transition, it was uncertain he was going to be the president. Clay had gone to work on preparing stuff but the focus of everybody was down in florida, not everybody, but almost everybody who was involved in the bush operation. Most people were down in florida try to make sure trying to make sure that your president was recognized and the thing was happening on the gore side. It was a difficult thing. I think clay, you would agree, it worked out ok. 77 days as a short time, 38 days is not a whole lot shorter than 77 in this context. If you are well organized enough, it can be done. It has more to do with who is involved, what is the direction, what is the plan, is there a program, it has more to do with that been exactly how many days you have. Then exactly how many days you have. I worked more bushs office and the transition process was amazing and just how the and administration really wanted to care for the next Prime Minister should come in and come all the way down to the individual offices. I had to put together a packet of what it was like a plan an event for laura bush and when a first lady comes from another country and what the processes and the team coming in and having to meet with mrs. Obamas team. I was impressed. You hear stories of coming in saying it was just not like that for us. He the figured out and calls figured out. We set the administration up very well and i believe president bush really left the place but it than he found it and prepare the next administration. That was awesome. Thank you for the leadership. What you are underscoring if the tone gets set from the top and if the president and mrs. Bush said disability letter, that is the way will be. Ive a lot of confidence that the president and mrs. Obama had not only said the right things but will communicate the right things to their folks and, however the election turns out, there will be a good experience for the incoming and administration. Not taking the drapes down, the 92 campaign was a difficult time for president bush 41, while we made not had as well organized transition effort as he may have liked, i will underscore that the cooperation we received from jim baker, directly at the request of president bush 41 could not have been better. It allowed us to play catchup so much more effectively than otherwise would have been the case. That is the case where it was a difficult time. Yet you had an effective, smooth, positive transition of power which is a hallmark of our democracy and what we are seeing is that you are refining the process now and moving it forward in a much more serious the beltway for the funding, technology, all of these things where the transition planning and i give credit to people in the room, it is now becoming just an excepted and increasingly understood part of a critical period of our democracy. Thank you very much. Lets take our plan is to thank our panelists. [applause] we will bring you another in 1998,e started this which was a long time ago, it ones like just yesterday, of the things people talked drapesas measuring the was the equivalent of changing your socks in the middle of a winning streak in baseball. We had to deal with the fact that politicians were like professional baseball players. They would grow a beard if they thought it would win the election, and not change their socks if it would win the election. The transitions ran against that. It is now commonplace for people to think it is a responsible , tog to measure the drapes think what are they going to do if they actually manage to prevail. President isf the to convince people that measuring the drapes, preparing to leave to take down the drapes is the new equivalent of not changing your socks. That is an easy transition. Panel was essentially about what it is like to transition to the white house. This group of people have walked. Nto the white house on day one another interesting aspect is they have all walked out of the white house before the president walked out of the white house and moved into the executive branch where the mission of the administration also goes on. This panel will be a bit about walking into the building and what that experience is like because they have had that experience and how do you take on the responsibilities of running what the president is only and the top part of the full executive branch which is one of the Large Organizations of the world, or the worlds most powerful organizations, and one of the most complex organizations. Especially if youre interested in actually making a fit your ambitions. If i am allowed to, i will give you a brief synopsis if you missed the first panel. Leadership is a team sport. It starts at the top. Leadership is a team sport and practice matters. Regardless of whether or not you face the same game you think youre going to play, practicing together helps everyone. Those are topi