Thank you very much. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2013] immigration policy with rahm emanuel and americans for tax reform, Grover Norquist. Then, washington journal. Next, a conversation on immigration policy between chicago mayor rahm emanuel and americans for tax reform president Grover Norquist. They sat down yesterday. This is just under one hour. [applause] thank you for being here. I have a privilege to engage in conversation with two people that are extensively to of ostensibly two of the most powerful political leaders. It is slightly an out of body experience. I did not know whether to sit here and have grover and rahm right next to each other. Rahm, former white house chief of staff, three term member of congress, and now mayor of chicago. We do not do advocacy, but if you look at cities and their mayors and what kind of aims the chief executive kinds of things the chief executive of the city does what rahm emanuel has been doing, synthesizing the equation of what youre city will look like, it is an impressive arena. Groverse, we have norquist, president of the americans for tax, encouraged by Ronald Reagan. I do not know whose idea the old was, but it worked both was, but it worked. I was with Amy Klobuchar recently. Wasnterviewed her and she telling us how grover was now getting hate mail by some of his own base because of Committee Testimony he provided on the joint Economic Committee that was very positive. I thought today crossfire is coming back on cnn. You have people with differences that bash each other without thinking. I thought today we would have a conversation. I am out of here. [laughter] rahm, forget your white house role, but we are in chicago, thinking about how the equation with immigrants. Tryingyor, how are you to change the game customer works a couple of the gain change the game . A couple of things that are fact, in the city of chicago, about 50 of all new Business Applications for licenses are by immigrants. That is why you cannot be pro Small Business and anti immigrant. They go handinhand. We have cut our licenses denials by 60 , making it much easier to start a business 50 , making it easier to start a Business Card nearly business. Nearly 50 of all new startups are by immigrants. Those of you who know chicago, you know the magnificent mile. The hispanic area, 26th street, the two magnificent miles, i call it, it produces the secondmost amount of sales tax revenue for the city of chicago and the state of illinois. Outside of michigan avenue, when you pull out highend shopping, the most productive area from a sales tax revenue is 26th street, and it has people from all over the midwest that come in. Finde weekend you cannot parking in the city of chicago near or around 26th street because from as far as minneapolis, minnesota, to columbia, ohio, people come in on the weekend to get things they cannot get in their respective community. Those material fact in terms of what is happening in the city today, we send an executive order, creating what i call citizenship corners in every Neighborhood Library in the city of chicago. Librarians are being trained to help people get their citizenship. We have kits that they can take home to promote the effort. I will close by this one example if i can. One year ago we held a forum with Robert F Kennedy the first time here in america, their foundation, and all the Nobel Peace Prize winners in chicago. I happen to think chicago is the most american of american cities. We didnt add a did it at a high school where my mother went to school, all jewish. Your mothers high school, my mothers high school, this might explain a lot about our relationship. Second, i introduced a young woman who is from yemen to introduced gorbachev. She came to america in fourth grade and is now at northwestern on a full paid scholarship card scholarship in the student body scholarship. The student body as 120 different nationalities. She was number one in her class. Withid the interview gorbachev. She is on her way to northwestern on a full paid scholarship. How can that be against our interest . She has decided she is an american. It is in our interest as an economy and as a city when you look at all the relationships that are intertwining, going on, bringing the world to chicago and chicago to the world. It is a huge Economic Opportunity for the city of chicago and the country. Before i jump to grover, let me ask, as mayor, if you are on a National Tour and you stop in kansas, a place where i was born, and it is not bending over backwards to be welcoming to immigrants what would you tell parts of the country, particularly those that have representatives that are not moving in a progressive manner. What if they say this is not our story . How do you reach them . That might be true, although i do think immigration is changing what used to only be an urban story. I am not so sure and, it also it is quickly becoming a rural story. That is cultural impact. My appeal is one on economics, then but nobody should dismiss the cultural piece of that, which can be disconcerting. It is not true for the city of chicago because my grandfather came to chicago in 1917 as a 13yearold to get away from eastern europe. That is the history of chicago. Cityis the history of our and holds true for every city america. State, also true of any there is a history of immigrants that are given opportunities. You cannot give them a national story, so there are anecdotes in the history of kansas you would have to weve yet and i would not treat it disrespectfully. I could tell you a story about chicago hundred different times in a hundred different languages. There has to be a story from kansas you have to find. I cannot give them a chicago example. They have to find a kansas example where they find an opportunity to see their future. Coming out of that environment, that story [indiscernible] i was driving off to do early meetings and we saw karl rove driving by. The drivers were left wing liberals and they said i want to take that guy on. I said he was speaking at 8 00. A guy went and he said karl rove made a lot of sense. Basically, from your corner of the woods, somebody walked into the lions den of hyperliberals and talked about Immigration Reform and i bet he got a couple of gop signups. I am wondering given your role, the role of karl rove and george w. Bush, where were you a few years ago . Is this not a cynical move by some in the Republican Party to say now it is pragmatic because we are a dead party if we do not bring in hispanics, or is there something deeper than that . If you go back into American History, the chinese exclusion act, historically, going up to the 1980s, every anti immigrant impulse was driven by organized labor. The modern democratic party. There has been movement all the way around. Interestingly, the Business Community did not get organized. In 1999, i was in a meeting. 12 pair people. I was meeting with the head of the Republican Party sort of a check up, what is important to you this year . They went around the room, and everyone was in one of those two places. Then he finishes, got up and left, and like in the last couple of moments of columbo those quote Television Show columbo Television Show they said what is it . They said Immigration Reform. Everyone said it was a bigger issue. They talked in terms of hundreds of thousands of evil that of people that they needed. None of them felt comfortable or confident with somebody elses issue. It was more than two thousand seven, because it did not get organized in that way. Every Business Group is for the legalization of the 10 million or 11 million that are here, genetic germanic increases in future dramatic increases in future flows. They could switch in a generation because you are bringing in talent and opportunity. Theresiness community is very the Southern Baptist convention has strongly endorsed comprehensive the Roman Catholic church, the mormon church, the National Jewish organization. So, why are you losing . George w. Bush, bill clinton, rahm emanuel the last two will not be persuasive to that crowd. If you look at who has lined up on the reform side, i do not think i have ever seen an issue with everyone on that side yet it does not seem to be percolating. You were with the Greater Boston tea party patriots. How did that go . Every 20 people, every second one said very immigrantsy about and applause lines all the way through. It is boston, which helps. The Campus Chamber of commerce brought me out to speak with the governor, the most pro immigrant governor, and the chamber was trying to make sure and canada legislators were thinking about doing who were thinking about doing Something Like arizona were clamped down, and they will probably move more along the lines of utah, which is the opposite of arizona. Kansas is very active in moving in the right direction. This has been an issue where radio talkshow host have driven it to a certain extent on the right, and you can get wealthy with five percent market share on the radio, but you cannot get elected dog catcher with five percent market share. We have had that conversation here at conversation. Take a look at the list of people that might run for president on the republican side. That would be helpful. Make friends. [laughter] why dont you just they [laughter] scott walker of wisconsin has come out strong on this. Rand paul talked about a pet reduces steamship before john bush, before marco rubio. Chris christie the leadership moving forward, it is exactly where Ronald Reagan was and where the Traditional Party was, being more open to immigration. I had been going for 30 years to these press conferences arguing with the aflcio, which to always the group we had fight. We had to do bipartisan stuff. I thought here was one we can work on what sign lets sign a letter that soviet union groups can leave the soviet union, and unions would not sign it because they thought they would come here. Theyre still not there on future flow of guest workers. We are making progress. The emmys question, in your tax work, where you have been so popular and maintained a caucus to veto a deal we got a deal. We just did not have tax increases. Many were influenced by tea party voters, the same voters taking these positions, and it raises the question of whether there is a corner of this that has a veto ability driven by i will just say it, racism. If you look at the work of Gregory Rodriguez or those that the the the assimilation rate of hispanics in particular, it is phenomenal all the things that rahm emanuel was laying out, it is among all immigrant classes the lead. I am wondering, at what point that in. Empiricalstuff begins to matter to jim demint that empirical stuff begins to matter to jim demint. 20 years ago, historically, the antiimmigrant position has been colored, connected with restrictionist in terms of number of people working. Interestingly, this is not about opposition to immigration, and that is why republicans have moved away from positions they were yelled into my radio shows. When pat buchanan ran for president , 70 of republicans thought there were too many immigrants. We thought there were too many immigrants since the germans started sneaking in. Nine the first thought, too many immigrants. Second thought, im not really against it. Kamran, 70 of the people believed pat buchanan ran, 70 of the people believed, and he got 1 of the vote. The idea that there is a deep seated antiImmigration Reform vote in the Republican Party does not show up. The two senators from arizona, jeff mccain and jeff flake, the two most proimmigration senators. It does not always show up in the vote. If you direct this question at me, i would say that is all true, what grover said, but the party has allowed itself to have a few voices described and defined its position, which is where the political fallout as occurred and it if it is not averted soon will have a huge import to local and national politics. All of those data points are true. Where the screening i would say that volume does not reflect depth. That is true in our party. That said, leaders have allowed the voices that have attraction to define who the party is. Can you walk us through how you are trying to position chicago as essentially the friendliest city to immigrants customer you make a case of white immigrants . You made the case of why economically it matters, and if you look at the 15 points you have would in place that you think are Game Changers for immigrants coming in, is your aspiration to create a template for other cities . I am not sure how much pc as washington, d. C. As in terms of impact. It is a huge impact, but it is less and less, it is declining. The state of illinois past the dream act. I was sworn in on may 16, 2011, and it was the only piece of legislation that i called for. I have raised 250,000 for that fund privately, and we have a little over 100 people now going to college that could not go otherwise. That is one example of where you can do Something Different. Recently we passed the drivers license four other states have done it, allowing immigrants who do not have a legal status to get a drivers license, which allows them to get employment, get their kids to school and go around. It has a lot to do with public safety, safety on the street, and have integrated people come out of the shadows. How did they get over the fear of being tracked down and deported . We are a sanctuary city. I passed it by ordnance. Sanctuary city status does not live by the whim of the mayor. Fourth, and most interesting, what led to todays event, is i created an office in new american and i put it in the mayors office, and they spend all day going through hell this will impact immigrant. We have 79 going through how this will impact immigrants. We signed an agreement with the Immigration Office. We are in the process we have already done 50. We are training all librarians with a special room called citizenship corners that has a process on how to help people become citizens and the Neighborhood Library is helping people become citizens. That office thought of that policy. Andy, we sign the order, with an agreement between the Immigration Office in the city of chicago, on this process, they literally go through every regulation, every office. It is not just does the website have english and spanish important to do, but they go through every part of the City Government and it says what are we doing to promote immigrants . I think it is in the citys interest. We focused on the Mexican American community. Chicago will be the fifth largest city in mexico based on our population. That is a huge economic capacity when you think about what nasa has created for the united states, but we are outside of warsaw the second largest polish city. A huge amount of trade back and forth could happen when you think about how poland is growing. [indiscernible] i know that. That is why i gave a shout out. It ges you a sense of the size of the city. Everywhere,be true but based on the Mexican American population, we are the fifth are just city in mexico, and we are the secondlargest city in poland. That is part of our history, but when you think about remittance, trade, opportunity, travel, tour is a at every level toward his him tourism at every level, it is a huge Economic Opportunity if for market and for a city that is still the headquarters of what i call the flat roof manufacturing, it does not have an export strategy because these are family owned businesses. The historical immigrant roots is a huge Economic Opportunity for what they can export and that is one way we can grow. We could go on, but i need the federal government to change a problem. Short of that, through the new american office, the library, drivers license, the dream act, we can have done what we can do short of the federal government doing the final bit. Everywhere we can press, we have at the outer limits of what you can do we have pressed the outer limit of what you can do. The economic watching you went right into that, jim demint and some of the folks in opposition to the legislative direction on immigration said the 50your cost of creating a 50year cost of creating a citizenship track is 6. 3 billion. Notcbo has argued that is the case. When you look at illinois as a state, they have bond problems. They have not been exactly a leadership in solvency to a certain degree. That was gentle. [laughter] do you see these steps adding to the economic bottom line, looking at them as economically vital, or is there validity to the fact that when you look at infrastructure, health care and all the cost that jim demint argues will be loomed out the loomed ballooned out so many of the services we pay for come from property taxes. You get a new group of people buying home, and another of the people paying property taxes. You pay for schools, police that way. Take homeownership and what would happen on property tax if all of a sudden people said i am here, i am now going to buy a home . We pay our libraries that way, just that a city level all of a sudden people say i do not live under the threat i will be deported, we can