So if he can be tattooed by a single vote and that ruins all future opinions by him on this issue, why then is he right when he says youre wrong vote on iraq tattoos you for offering your judgment . Hillary clinton i said i made a mistake on iraq. And i would love to see senator sanders join with some of my colleagues, in the senate that i see in the audience, lets reverse the immunity. Lets Hillary Clinton lets go to the gun makers and tell on notice that theyre not gonna get away with it. Bernie sanders lets do more than reverse the immunity. Hillary clinton cause you think that thats a mistake. Bernie sanders but lets let me hear it if theres any difference between the secretary and myself. I have voted time and again to for for the background checks. And i wanna see it improved and expanded. I wanna see them do away with the gun show loophole. In 1988 i lost an election because i said we should not have assault weapons on the streets of america. We have to do away with the strong man proposal. We need radical changes in Mental Health in america. So somebody whos suicidal or homicidal can get the Emergency Care they need. But we have i dont know that theres any disagreement here. Martin omalley oh yes, there is. Bernie sanders we have lots come forward with a consensus Martin Omalley yes, there is. Bernie sanders that in fact will work John Dickerson senator, a mistake or not, youre so quickly before Bernie Sanders we will talk of that bill which i agree with parts, i disagree i am certainly absolutely willing to look at that bill and make sure and not a form of the bill. John dickerson not a mistake. Martin omalley john, this is another one of those examples. Look, we have we have a lot of work to do. And were the only nation on the planet that buries as many of our people from gun violence as we do in my own state after they the children in that connecticut classroom were gunned down, we passed comprehensive gun safety legislation, background checks, ban on assault weapons. And senator, i think we do need to repeal that immunity that you granted to the gun industry. But secretary clinton, youve been on three sides of this. When you ran in 2000 you said that we needed federal robust regulations. Then in 2008 you were portraying yourself as annie oakley and saying that we dont need those regulation on the federal level. And now youre coming back around here. So john, theres a big difference between leading by polls and leading with principle. We got it done in my state by leading with principle. And thats what we need to do as party, comprehensive gun Bernie Sanders all due respect i think its fair to say that baltimore is not now one of the safest cities in america. But the issue and its a lot Martin Omalley saved a lot of lives along the way. Bernie sanders the issue is i believe and i believe this honestly and i dont know that theres much difference on guns between us but i believe coming from a state that has virtually no gun control i believe that i am in a position to recount of the 60 or 70 of the American People who agree with us on those issues. The problem is John Dickerson hold on. Bernie sanders people all over this country, not you secretary clinton, are shouting at each other. And what we need to do laugh is bring people together to work on the agreement where there is broad consensus. And thats what i intend to do. Hillary clinton there is broad consensus. 92 in the most recent poll of americans want gun safety measures. Bernie sanders absolutely. Hillary clinton and 85 of gun owners agree. Weve got the consensus. What were lacking is political leadership. And thats what you and others can start providing in the senate. Bernie sanders yes, i agree. John dickerson sorry, im gonna bring in nancy cordes with a question from twitter about this exchange. Nancy cordes about guns but also about your conversation on Campaign Finance. And secretary clinton, one of the tweets we saw said that ive never seen a candidate invoke 9 11 to justify millions of wall street donations until now the idea being that, yes, you are a champion of the community after 9 11. But what does that have to do with taking big donations . Hillary clinton well, im sorry that whoever tweeted that had that impression because i worked closely with new yorkers after 9 11 for my entire first term to rebuild. And so yes, i did know people. I had a lot of folks give me donations from all kinds of backgrounds, say, i dont agree with you on everything. But i like what you do. I like how you stand up. Im going to support you. And i think that is absolutely perfect. Bernie sanders well, i think the issue here is that i applaud secretary clinton. She did. Shes the senator from new york. She worked many of us supported you in trying to rebuild that devastation. But at the end of the day wall street today has Enormous Economic and political power. Their Business Model is greed and fraud. And for the sake of our economy they must the major banks must be broken up. Hillary clinton but Martin Omalley john, i think somewhere between the nancy cordes senator sanders, im sorry, so what is it in secretary clintons record that shows you that shes been influenced by those donations . Bernie sanders well, there the issue right now is whether or not we reestablish glass steagall. I led unfortunately unsuccessfully against deregulation because i knew when you merge Large Insurance Companies and investment banks and commercial banks it was not going to be good. The issue now is do we break them up . Do we reestablish glass steagall . And secretary clinton unfortunately is on the wrong side. Hillary clinton well, ill tell you whos on my side, paul krugman, the Nobel Prize Winning economist who said my plan for what we should do to reign in wall street was more comprehensive and better. Paul volcker, one of the leading of trying to reign in the excesses has also said he does not support reinstating glass steagall. So i mean, this may seem like a bit of an arcane discussion. I have nothing against the passion that my two friends here have about reinstating glass steagall. I just dont think it would get the job done. Im all about making sure [applause] we actually get results for whatever reason. John dickerson thats a final word the final word, governor omalley, before we go to commercial. Martin omalley john, there is not a serious economist who would disagree that the six big banks of wall street have taken on so much power and that all of us are still on the hook to bail them out on their bad debts. Thats not capitalism, secretary clinton, thats crummy capitalism. Thats a wonderful Business Model if you place that bet the taxpayers bail you out. But if you place good ones you pocket it. Look, i dont believe that the model theres lots of good people that work in finance, secretary sanders. But secretary clinton, we need to step up. And we need to protect main street from wall street. And you cant do that by campaigning as the candidate of wall street. I am not the candidate of wall street. And i encourage Bernie Sanders let me Martin Omalley everybody watching this tonight to please, acknowledge that by going online at martinomalley. Com and help me wage this campaign for real american capitalism. John dickerson we have to we have to go for a commercial, im sorry. We have to go for a commercial here. Well be right back with the democratic debate here in des moines, iowa on cbs. John dickerson back now in des moines with the candidates for the democratic president ial nomination. Senator sanders, i wanna start with you. Lets say youre elected president. Congratulations. Bernie sanders thank you. Looking forward to it. John dickerson youve said youll have a revolution. Bernie sanders yes. John dickerson but theres a conservative revolution going on in america right now. As john boehner knows, and as democrats know who have lost in state houses across the country Bernie Sanders right. John dickerson those conservatives are watching tonight and probably shaking their heads. So how you deal with that part of the country . The revolutions already happening, but on the other side. Bernie sanders and we are gonna do a Political Revolution which brings working people, young people, senior citizens, minorities together. Because every issue that i am talking about, paid family and medical leave, breaking up the banks on wall street, asking the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes, rebuilding a fumbling infrastructure, raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour, every one of those issues is supported by a significant majority of the American People. Problem is, that as a result of a corrupt Campaign Finance system, congress is not listening to the American People. Its listening to the big money interests. What the Political Revolution is about is bringing people together to finally say, enough is enough. This government belongs to us, not just the billionaires. John dickerson senator, a 30second followup. Weve heard already tonight that your 92 of support for background checks. Lets look at that as an example. If there were something 92 of the public was for, there have been these mass shootings, there was emotional support behind it. Bernie sanders yes. John dickerson bipartisan support. Bernie sanders yes. John dickerson the president , the full force of his office. Bernie sanders yup. John dickerson it went nowhere. Thats the model youre talking about nothing happened. Bernie sanders what we need is leadership in this country which revitalizes american democracy. And makes people understand that if they stand up and fight back and take on the billionaire class, we can bring about the change that we need. If we are not successful, if we continue the same old same old of washington being run by corporate lobbyists and big trusts, nothing changes. Look, i am very happy in this campaign that we have had rallies with tens of thousands of people, mostly young people. What the polls are showing is that we are absolutely defeating the secretary among younger people. Were giving young people and working people hope that real change can take place in america. Thats what the Political Revolution is about. John dickerson a question from Kathie Obradovich. Kathie obradovich yes. Senator sanders, you famously said in the last debate that you were sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails. But then you told the wall street journal that the questions about whether or not secretary clintons emails compromised classified information were valid questions. So what does it mean . Is it an issue or is it not . Bernie sanders thats just media fluff. I was sick and tired of Hillary Clintons email. I am still sick and tired of Hillary Clintons emails. And the issue is the problem is the front pages every day were dealing with that. I didnt know i had so much power. But after i said that, without much of that. What i would like for the media now is for us to be talking about why the middle class is disappearing while we have more people in jail than any other country, why we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality and were the only major country. unintel phrase paid family and medical leave. Weve gotten off of hillarys emails, good. Lets go to the major issues facing america. [cheering] [applause] Hillary Clinton im sorry, i couldnt hear you. Kathie obradovich secretary clinton, your response . Hillary clinton i agree completely. I couldnt have said it better myself. I wanted to follow up. Look, we need more americans to be involved in the political process. And i give senator sanders a lot of credit for really lighting a fire under many people, young, old, everybody who sees a chance to be involved and have their voice heard. Look at whats happening with the republicans. Theyre doing everything they can to prevent the voices of americans to be heard. [applause] theyre trying to prevent people from registering to vote. So we do need to take on the republicans very clearly and directly. But the other thing i just wanted quickly to say is i think president obama deserves more credit than he gets for what hes gotten done [applause] in washington despite the republican oppression. John dickerson secretary clinton, just one more question on the email question. For democrats, theres an f. B. I. Investigation going on. Can you satisfy democrats who might worry about another shoe dropping . That you and your staff have been totally truthful to them and that another shoe is not gonna drop . Hillary clinton well, i think after 11 hours thats pretty clear. [laughter] [cheering] [applause] you know, i i do think its important to do exactly what senator sanders said. And that is to Start Talking about the issues that the American People really care about and that they talk to each of us about and to contrast. I mean, there are differences among us. Youve heard some of those tonight. I still wanna get back to healthcare, because i think thats a worthy topic to explore. But the differences among us pale compared to whats happening on the republican side. And if you listen to what they say, and i had a chance over those 11 hours to watch and listen as well as what i see in their debate, they are putting forth alarming plans. I mean, all of us support funding planned parenthood. All of us believe Climate Change is real. All of us want equal pay for equal work. They dont believe in any of that. So lets focus on what their election is really gonna be about. [applause] John Dickerson another well, Race Relations is another issue everyone cares about. And were gonna switch to that now. Governor omalley, let me ask you a question. The head of the f. B. I. Recently said, it might be possible that some Police Forces are not enforcing the law because theyre worried about being caught on camera. The acting head of the Drug Enforcement administration said a similar thing. Where are you on this question and what would you do if you were president and two top members of your administration were floating that idea . Martin omalley well, look john, i think the i think the call of your question is how can we improve both Public Safety in america and Race Relations in america understanding how very intertwined both of those issues are in a very, very difficult and painful way for us as a people. Look, the truth of the matter is that we should all feel a sense of responsibility as americans to look for the things that actually work to save and redeem lives and to do more of them. And to stop doing the things that dont. From my part, thats what i have done in 15 years of experiences in there and as the governor, we restored Voting Rights to 52,000 people, we decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana. I repealed the death penalty, and we also put in place a civilian review board. We reported openly discourtesy and lethal force and brutality complaints. This is something that and i put forward a new agen agenda for criminal Justice Reform that is informed by that experience. So as president , i would lead these efforts and i would do so with more experience and probably the attendance of more gravesites than any of the three of us on this stage when it comes to urban crime, loss of lives. The truth is i have learned on a very daily basis that yes indeed, black lives matter. John dickerson all right, governor. [applause] senator sanders, one of your former colleagues, an African American member of Congress Said to me recently that a young African American man had asked him where to find hope in life. And he said, i just dont know what to tell him about being young and black in america today. What would you tell that young African American man . Bernie sanders well, this is what i would say. And the congressman was right. According to the statistics that im familiar with, a black male maybe born today stands a one in four chance of ending up in the criminal Justice System. 51 of high school African American graduates are unemployed or underemployed. We have more people in jail today than any other country on earth. Were spending 80 billion locking people up disproportionately, latino and African American. We need very clearly major, major reform in a broken criminal Justice System from top to bottom. And that means when Police Officers out in a community do illegal activity, kill people who are unarmed, who should not be killed, they must be held accountable. It means that we end minimum sentencing for those people and it means that we take marijuana out of the federal law as a crime and give space for freedom to go forward with legalizing marijuana. John dickerson secretary clinton, you told some black lives matter activists recently that theres a difference between rhetoric and activism and what you were trying to do, which is was enforce law or get laws passed that would help what they were pushing for. Recently at the university of missouri, that activism was very, very effective. So would you suggest that kind of activism take place at other universities across the country . Hillary c