Whether to oppose or the support the patriot act. If you support it, 202 7488000. If you oppose it like senator rand paul, 202 7488001. You can also join in on the conversation by sending us a tweet at cspanwj or on facebook, facebook. Com cspan. This is from the hill newspaper rand paul has the page react in the palm of his hand. The senate will hold a rare sunday evening vote. The late hour and the lack of a clean pass forward means that any senator hasnt do amount of leverage due amount of leverage, that is where rand paul comes into play. Overnight, the passing of the Vice President s oldest son. Both biden beau biden. He was 46 years old. This message from the Vice President s office. The entire family is sad beyond words, we know that beaus spirit will live on in all of us. Beau biden, 46 years old. After a battle with brain cancer passing away in the washington, d. C. Area. Also from the boston globe and injury for secretary of state john kerry. He was helicoptered to a swiss hospital outside geneva today. He suffered a likely leg injury, but did not lose consciousness according to the state department. Paramedics and a physician from the scene with the motorcade at the time. The secretary of state was transported to genevas main hospital. It remains unclear how long he will stay. It is a very busy sunday morning. Let us start with the senate today coming up later today with daniel palmetto. What to expect . Guest at 3 50 9 p. M. , the white house said they will begin the process of winding down this program, venice able to the nsa Data Collection program. The government will no longer be sweeping up telephone records on millions of americans from Telephone Companies that they cann hold on a search by search bases once they decide that someone needs to be surveilled. That will be happening on the executive branch side. At 4 00 p. M. , the senate comes in. They will have several different options. Really, none of those options it sounds like, will be able to pass today. They could essentially and the boat Data Collection bulk Data Collection, give me the executive more power. It is not clear that will have enough votes. Other option would be a one or two week extension to give them more time to debate this. Rand paul, the republican from kentucky, who is also a president ial candidate, says that he will block all of these efforts, or at least to expedite the efforts, and that makes a almost impossible to have a deal by midnight. Host lets follow up on the fact that if you are Telephone Company and say, yes, we will collect the data. Some Companies May say we will not do that, and use it as a Marketing Tool to get more customers. Guest absolutely. No company has said that right now. Were talking the Major Telecommunications companies. You could have a new company or existing company do that. We have seen Internet Companies do that, and even apple or other mobile devices say that. That is a real attraction for people. Not just terrorists, but a lot of americans do not want the government looking at their communications and information. Host we talked about how one senator can really come up the work for those were not familiar with the minutia of Senate Parliamentarian procedure, what power does senator rand paul have today . Guest essentially the majority leader, Mitch Mcconnell, will need unanimous consent from all 100 senators to expedite the debate. If they want to speed up the process tonight, he will need the unanimous consent of all 100 members. Senator rand paul said yesterday that he would stop that effort. There will not be unanimous consent. He will block anything no matter what they do. Essentially, there is no way they can get a process from the starting line to the finish line without his consent. Host what happens after midnight . Guest there will probably be a lot of fingerprinting fingerpointing. They might have to go back to the drawing board. It depends. The white house may have to come up with some plan. The nsa may come up with a plan. The house will have to reevaluate what they have to do. The president , himself on friday raised the issue that if there is a terrorist attack, heaven for bid we dont have this. While rand paul may be on his own in the senate, a lot of americans identify with the course he is pursuing. Quite frankly, this is the First Time Since the Edward Snowden leaks about the scope of power that the nsa has taken on, the secretive nature of some of these surveillance programs that we have had a debate. Obvious leaders of the 2016 element to him. If this is time to take his ted cruz stand, like he did on obamacare. We will see how this plays politically. I think he has nothing to lose, and perhaps everything to gain. Host the first president to digital president ial debate will be today on cspan 2 according to one journalist. Guest thats right. He will be attacked by republicans, and democrats will attack him as well, but i think a lot of them identify with his efforts to shut this down. Host we will walk through this hour, exactly what to expect in the senate today, and also what it means when the patriot act does expire. If you support the patriot act 202 7488000. If you oppose it, 202 7488001. As always, we will take your tweets, cspanwj. [video clip] president obama i thought this would be a Good Opportunity before we break for the weekend to remind everyone that on sunday at midnight, and whole bunch of authorities that we use in order to prevent terrorist attacks in this country expire. Fortunately, the house of representatives was able to put forward a piece of legislation the usa freedom act, that received overwhelming bipartisan support. What it does is not only continue authorities that currently exist and are not controversial, for example the capacity of the fbi or other lawenforcement agencies to use what is called a roving wiretap. If we know there is an individual where there is probable cause that they may be engaged in a terrorist attack, but they are switching cell phones weekend move from cell phone to cell phone. Not a controversial provision. Those authorities would be continued. What the usa freedom act also does is it reforms the bulk Data Collection program that has been a significant concern, and i promised we could reform over 1. 5 years ago. We now have democrats and republicans in both the house and senate who think this is the right way to go. We have our Law Enforcement and National Security teams, and Civil Liberties proponents and africans, who say this is the right way to go. The only thing standing in the way is a handful of senators who are resisting these reforms despite Law Enforcement and the ic saying, lets go ahead and get this done. We only have a few days. The authorities expire on sunday at midnight. I do not want us to be in a situation where for a certain amount of time, those authorities go away, and suddenly we are dark. Heaven for bid, we have a problem where we could have prevented a terrorist attack or apprehended someone who is engaged in dangerous activity but we do not do so, simply because of inaction in the senate. I have indicated to leader mcconnell and other senators, i expect them to take action, and take action swiftly. That is what the American People deserve. This is not an issue in which we have to choose between security and Civil Liberties. This is an issue which we in fact have struck the right balance and shaved a piece of legislation that everybody can support. Lets go ahead and get it done. Host the president s comments on friday. In response to that is from senator rand paul. I do not do this to obstruct, i do it to build something better, more effective, more lasting and more convincing cognizant of who we are. Is the deadline is not met, what happens . In terms of the patriot act and gathering information on potential terrorist, who may be using cell phones or other sources of information. Guest that is a great question. One of the problems, from the public point of view, it is not a lot of transparency as to what the government does. They can obtain information. One of things that people Data Collection bulk Data Collection does is who we call and when we call them. They can kind of connect the dots. That bulk access to information will end at midnight. Senator marco rubio that if we had had those powers before 9 11, it could have stopped the 9 11 terrorist attacks. We will never know if that was true. It is hard to put that much response of the on this program which is really supposed to comment other National Security initiatives. There are a lot of people, and a lot of senate republicans, who believe that having these programs is essential to having a robust National Security program. Host certainly no shortage of comments on our twitter page. You can join in on the conversation at cspanwj. This is ed who says that the freedom act patriot act took freedoms away from the people without asking if we supported it, big brother needs to back off. First, some background on what is the usa patriot act, of course, put in place after september 11. Lets get your phone calls. Chris, san antonio, texas. You support the renewal of the pager asked, why . Caller because it is protection of our freedom. We need to protect our freedom and follow the president s leave. It is not about civil right, it is about gods rights. Guest it is interesting. This is not a typical democratrepublican issue. Especially on the usa freedom act, which i think both sides feel is a compromise. A lot of americans dont want the government sweeping up records on the phone calls, but it allows the government to obtain information from the Telephone Companies. The big bright is whether the phone companies will retain the information. That sort of thing is not in the usa freedom act, which has been a sticking point. There is a lot of overlap between democrats and republicans on this, because i think they feel that if there is another terrorist attack, they will all be to blame. Host Richard Rogers says this, the government does not listen to phone conversations without it warrant, what is obtained with the patriot act are phone numbers. Guest that is right. If i call you, it will say that my number called you and the time. Host lets go to mobile alabama. You oppose the renewal of the patriot act, why is that . Caller because there is so much confusion about the full situation. It is not doing away with the patriot act. It is doing away with several aspects of the patriot act. What thate government is doing people need to understand this. Every phone call that we are making in america, including phone calls that we are making to cspan. If you mentioned words like terrorism or it terrorist, that trigger something. In other words, we are not talking about the patriarchs, we are talking about the bull collection of every phone call that is made in america. The government is actually collecting if you call your mother, your sister, or your son in college and he might mention we had some protests for terrorism. That is triggering something. Host we will get a response. Guest i dont think that essentially true. I think the caller is getting some of these programs mixed up. With the page react, it is just the records of phone calls, who called who and for how long. There have been many conspiracy theories. Several years ago, it would have been a Conspiracy Theory that the government was collecting data on all americans. That ended up to be true. Host another comment from another viewer who says that senator rand paul is a man on the margin, exercising leadership, and making a difference. This is from senator bernie sanders. History on the page react patriot act. In my view, that is a is out of control and operating in an unconstitutional manner. Guest rand pauls father never really had the numbers to get into the mainstream, but he was on the debate stage and change the debate. With senator rand paul, you have a younger figure, little more charismatic, but he has the same kind of like to find personality on the campaign trail, that he gets a lot of people, especially young people excited. I think a lot of his opponents on the 2016 platform are stumped by how to counter his message. Host this tweet probably typifies how many people feel. It says, i am conflicted, we need the page react, but it can be easily abused. Guest exactly. I think no one knew before Edward Snowdens disclosures about these, and now wonder, how far has the government gone . Host if youre just tuning in or listening in on cspan radio, were talking about the Senate Debate. It will get underway at 4 00 eastern time. Joining us at the table is debuted a little damien political from wall street journal or. Good morning. Caller top of the morning. I support it with two provisions. One, a poison pill is incorporated. If someone violates intentionally, they go to jail. If a public official does something unconstitutional, they lose their office. I would be happy to send my phone number to the nsa any day or night. I want to thank you for bringing up the subject because we i think my government bothers me right now. Thank you. Guest obviously, september 11 is one of the most tragic events in american history. Now that we are 14 years removed, i think a lot of people are secondguessing some of the responses. The fact is that there has not been attack on the country anywhere near that scale since then. I think a lot of americans appreciate even though they may be aggravated by some of the security measures. I think a lot of americans will put up with more aggravation, in order for more protection. The question is where is that line . Went has the government gone too far . We have had these lone wolf types of attacks, the Boston Marathon bombing, the shooting at fort hood. It is unclear if the page react would stop them or wouldnt stop them but the government is trying to make a difference. Host i want to get your reaction to the chicago suntimes, a photo of dennis has to hastert. Now he is facing federal charges tied to his own sexual allegedly show misconduct, allegedly with a teenage boy. The accidental rise and shocking fall from chicago tribune. Guest and unbelievable story tragic story. We obviously dont have all the details. If true, it seems that the former speaker lived with these secrets and ghosts for a long time during his tenure as speaker of house. We will have to see how the Court Process plays out. And unbelievable story. Host there is a related story from the Washington Post, looking at the about of money that he made as a lobbyist, and in many cases, switching sides on issues just to make more money. Guest speaker of house is a big thing to have on your business card. He was not a very public speaker, but carried an enormous amount of influence. He commanded huge bills for being former speaker of the house. It is not surprising how much he amassed. Host what does that tell you about the state of washington . Guest you know, money talks. I think a lot of americans are uncomfortable with washington and the Campaign Finance system because of the amount of money poured into it. When you see someone like speaker hastert, who was a very powerful figure, but not very public, a lot of people will question how the program works. Host another piece from the Washington Post. Ron is joining us from virginia. Good morning. Caller the caller who says they are for our freedom, isnt that what the military is for . We have the best intelligence agencies in the world. I thought they were doing a fine job before the patriot act. Guest even intelligence agencies say they did not do a fine job stopping the 9 11 terrorist attack. This is needle in the haystack kind of attacks. They feel that they need all the powers under the constitution to stop these attacks. That is what the patriot act was supposed to do, but the question is has it been interpreted in a way and we saw an Appeals Court ruled that it has not and that some of these powers have gone too far. Host lets go back to the lone wolf provision. What security with that provide . Guest the white house said a few days ago that they have never use the provision, but they insist that they needed. It would allow them to track lone wolves, people who do not have a direct connection to al qaeda or the Islamic State. In other words, they are not part of the embryo group, but have taken some steps, that make it look like they are ready to commit an attack and i do it on their own. Host from twitter more like a dragnet then a targeted program. You can share your thoughts on twitter, cspanwj. Joe is next, you oppose, why . Caller damien, you mentioned a couple of things i want to talk about. You mentioned the Boston Marathon bombers. You also mention things that are illegal under the constitution. Rand paul said it, and i agree this amounts to a general search warrant, which is illegal. Here is the thing. Im trying to figure out what major threats, or what might be considered minor threats. Lets go back to the Boston Marathon bombers. Isnt it likely that they use a cell phone prior to that . And lets go to an event in texas. We know there is a known threat when she has one of these contests. There was nobody from the federal government there. There were local police only. There was no one from nsa, the fbi. It seems like there is something strange going on. When we have known there is a threat, and no one is responding from the federal government, how can we expect them to go on the phone records . I am not seeing it. Steve, by th