Meeting of the rules committee weather Never Trump Movement is hoping to approve rules that would unbind the delegate and allow someone else to become the gop nominee. That is where we want to begin this morning on your thoughts with the last stand for the Never Trump Movement. Democrats at 202 7488000, republicans at 202 7488001 and independents at 202 7488002. Join conversation on twitter as well, or post your comment on facebook. Com cspan. We will get to your thoughts than a minute. Let me first show you this from donald trump on the vp steaks. He said he will make the announcement of the Vice President ial pick on friday at 11 00 a. M. In manhattan. This comes as the present of nominee met yesterday in indiana was several of the contenders. Withy one, donald trum met mike pence Newt Gingrich and senator Jeff Sessions for lastminute gathering after uncertaintysing his on social media and the campaign trail. Governor pence has until tomorrow at noon to file for another run at the governorship in indiana. He must decide friday whether to run for governor again. Under indiana rules is not allowed to run for both vp and the governor. He will decide by noon on friday. Statementmp says the is coming at 11 00 a. M. On friday. As we told you on cspan3 today, starting at 8 00 a. M. Eastern time also cspan. Org in the cspan radio app you need that if you want to know what is happening in cleveland and the convention. The rules committee will be underway starting at 8 00 a. M. Eastern time. That is where he Never Trump Movement hopes to unbind the delegates. Joining us on the phone is a senior political reporter with the Huffington Post to talk more about this. D tell ourup an viewers what is the rules committee . Guest the Convention Rules committee basically sets the guidelines for what the convention is going to do. Every convention has one. Typically it is a minor affair, they argue about the rules for the next convention. A groupe, there is of delegates that think this is been a horrible mistake. This is their last chance to undo it. Thatwill try to get a rule allows the delegates to vote how they please, according to their conscience. As opposed to how they were told to vote by the voters in their home states. Remember, the rnc has a rule that binds delegates to vote to the way that there state rules outline. This would change that, undo the will of a lot of voters. It would have someone else is donald trump as the nominee. Host how many people sit on the rules committee . How many are part of this Never Trump Movement . Guest that last question, we will find out. Supporters of this, the organizers of what theyre calling themselves free the alsoates, there is delegates unbound which is an outside group. They say there are hundreds of delegates who really wants to support them. Cowed by the rnc and afraid of getting sued by donald trump. They are working quietly behind the scenes to persuade people to join them. There is 112 members of the rules committee. They start meeting today. They should wrap up by tomorrow evening, possibly saturday. They would need 57 members of those 112 to actually recommend a rule to the full convention. If they fail, they could get a minority report. The only need 28 votes for that. Either way, the whole convention on monday would vote one way or the other. Itlly change that rule, be an exciting time here. Personally, i dont think that they will. It is a long shot. Strange things have happened, i guess. Host who is trying to make sure that it doesnt happen . Guest obviously, the Donald Trump Campaign is interested in leaving the rules just how they are. The rnc leadership also said this is done, it is over. Donald trump won fair and square. Leave him alone. They have put the word out that this would be a very bad idea. They expect everyone to follow in line. In the rules committee, a separate group, the chairman said this is a bad thing. They shouldnt be doing it. Trump people have their work cut out for them. He whole leadership of the Republican Party against them right now. Host the chairman of the Standing Rules Committee was on our program yesterday, you can watch that. He lays out what has happened over the last 3. 5 years. The rules they will suggest they take up today, you will see how there was like to change them when they get underway. Ruleslse could the committee change today beyond the unbinding of the delegates . Are there other things to be watching for . Guest of course. Most of the other things they would be doing would pertained to the next election four years down the road. Typically, that would be the only thing what will be the early states . Will it be the same . Will they mix it up a bit . Tradition states iowa, new hampshire, want nothing to do with that. They want to leave things the way that they are. It helps their prestige and bottomline and tourism. So, that is something. Given this other fight about who the nominee of the party on to be still going on in july, that is taking center stage. E lighting up. S ar a senior political reporter of the Huffington Post, thank you for your time. Guest youre very welcome. Host lets get to dan in kingston, pennsylvania, an independent caller. What do you think of this effort to unbind the delegate and have someone else possibly be the gop nominee . It is being called the last stand. What do you think . Caller good morning, anyway. Thank you for having me on. I believe that the entire primary process where donald trump went to 16 other opponents. The majorityg throughout the whole process. Even when it got down to three, apparently he won the majority. He won the popular vote. I think they need to change that. This it is just nonsense. Who is going to get 50 when you have 16 other people . It is a last ditch effort. This is why we have three branches of government. If theyre so ordered by donald trump using executive orders like obama has been using, a bit into do something before the general election to eliminate all of these president ial order s. Host ok, you would like them to focus on that rather than who is the nominee of the party . Caller to me, donald trump beat them all. Whether they like it or not, way have to say we have a of controlling him. Just like the democrats now have a way of controlling him. That is why they are trying to win back the house and the senate. If she becomes president theyre saying we have to win back the house and the senate of the world roll over the country. He three branches of the government are meant to do. Caller ok, let me go to mike in South Carolina a democrat. What do you think about this . Theer i think, potentially Never Trump Movement only makes trump and his supporters stronger. I think it gets to his point out ofny folks are those of the country one. They demonstrated regardless of who likes it that they like tr ump, what he says, and what he stands for. Just solidifying what he has been saying all along. Potentially, it makes him a stronger candidate in reality among the people who have supported him. Host you believe this rallies his base of supporters . Caller it certainly rallies his base. It could potentially make him a stronger candidate among independents and those on the democratic side who were Bernie Sanders favorites. They now see the potentially, or are not enamored with clinton. Has see at least trump solidified the fact that there is an Establishment Group who are against someone like him who has different ideas. Caller does that include you . Caller i would have a hard time voting for trump. I dont thinkhe is the kind of person i want to see. He wouldnt get me. Depending, again, depending on where this is headed, and what majorandidates the Party Candidates say as we get closer to the election he, trump could potentially pull off a lot of supporters from those who were uncertain. Well, lets listen to donald trump on fox last night. He was asked about this Never Trump Movement. [video clip] thisll all Never Trump Movement is nonsense, you understand . You would about it . No. The guy is a loudmouth guy. He is always trying to do something. He even ran for governor against christie, and lost. He is a loser. I see him in all these shows. Paul him last night where ryan was being interviewed. He got up to ask a question. A nasty guy. He was always a nasty guy. He is a loser. I see him on all these shows. He has never gotten anywhere. Check his record. There are some other guys running. When i look at somebody like ben sass, theyre very angry at him. What is the alternative . The alternative is Hillary Clinton. Our country becomes venezuela. The judges are so important. I put out a list of 11 judges that have gotten great reviews. If we are not talking but are sog else, the judges important. This, i nevere even heard of them. He has a real problem in nebraska. People dont like him much. You know theyre more people than just a couple. There is a lot. There always are. You can look back at Ronald Reagan. You can look back at anybody. There has never been a day, with ain one couple of loudmouth you will say forget about the last year. Forget about the fact that trump got more votes than anyone in history of the party. Lets put somebody else in there. Lets put somebody didnt win a state. It cant happen. Host donald trump reacting to what is been called the last stand for the Never Trump Movement. That is happening today when the rules committee gets underway in about 45 minutes. Tune into cspan3 or get the radio app or go to cspan. Org. Politico reports of this the trump allies believe it has stalled it has the support of only 20 delegates. A colorado member of the rules committee and a leader of the antitrump effort insisted she of the support of 28 members. The precise number needed to force a minority report to the floor. On mondaye our guest at 8 30 this is the latest tweet from her. For those wanting to sport, go to the website below and click to donate. Politico reports that delegates unbound, one of the groups working to block trump, reserve 30,000 in ads on Fox News Channel and clevelands media market. The ads will run friday to sunday well after the rules committee adjourns. Suggests the group is anticipating lobbying the broader pool of Convention Delegates ahead of a possible floor fight. Antitrump rules committee arrived Late Wednesday afternoon to the orientation. She was seen racing into the building with a suitcase. On the way out she refused to talk to reporters. One wild car, politico reports card, politico reports, is handed them senator mike lee and his wife. They ahve spoken out against have spoken out against rep and on the rules committee. The antitrump campaign would be let that unlikely to succeed without his support. You can get the radio app and listen to see who is supporting what movement. Trump people stop do today . What do you think, tom . Caller i have a couple of questions about your programming lately. Antitrumphad three guests. Today you have an antitrump spokesman. Your headlines never mentioned Hillary Clintons much worse problems. Here . You guys picking sides the Huffington Post is banned from the trump campaign. Why do you bring on these people that are antitrump and never anybody that is antihillary . Host do you watch the program . You guys are full of antitrump stuff like this morning. You havent had a congressman on in the last two days that is a republican. If democrat and a guy that supports the romney campaign. Romney hates trump. What is going on . Host let me jump in. Yesterday we had bruce on who says he supports donald trump. He said he was opposed to this stop Trump Movement that is happening in cleveland. We are having you react to what is happening. You have to take cspan as a whole, not just this program. To balance the perspectives and voices. We do not just here on the washington journal, but across all of our platforms. A democrat, good morning to you. Go ahead. Caller can you hear me . Host we can, go ahead. Caller i will tell you that, as a longtime cspan viewer, and a , i remembery voter as a young child when bill clinton was first elected. It was very exciting. I have to tell you, i saw of palin. Ple sarah what are they going to call them, republicans against trump . To take himfor me seriously. It is not ideological thing, it less let me make it ideological. This is the first election. The liberal judges, that is an easy line to draw. Gun issues, things of that sort, however, it is always the democrats that are the party of i dont wantay to say instability. Host i dont know where youre going with this. Lets go on to johnson, South Carolina, independent. What do you make of this effort by some in the Republican Party to unbind the delegates at the convention and allow people to vote their conscience, as they say . Caller i think it is a great idea. I am not a trump supporter. If we had more than two major haveical parties, we would much better choices. I feel like if we had one person, one botvote, no electorl college, it would be more fair. Areow our Founding Fathers probably turning over in their graves. America is vastly different now than it was then. I think we should support the constitution for the definitely, look at the countries in europe five partiesr or and not nearly the population that we have. We need to be able to reflect different ways of thinking, and now have us so divided. Host all right, an independent from utah, share your thoughts with us. Caller how are you doing today . Host good. Caller thanks for having me on. I hope the antiTrump Movement succeeds. I doubt it. Trump has proven he can overcome obstacles. I am hoping that when the never trump fails that they jump ship and come over to gary johnson. I think the opportunity for a thirdparty candidate to make a splash would be this election. Host richard, if they fail give me let me give you some scenarios. Arrangedthree is the marriage option. The likelihood depends on what happens with unbind proposals. Delegatess fail, the can use the arranged marriage option is a decent consolation prize. Delegates are not bound to vote for a Vice President ial pick open the possibility of forcing trump to take a running mate favored by never trump forces. Son says this should be in play because they could elect a man going to the office at 70 years old and will be going in is the oldest president ever. There is also the fourth rollcall of the states. If the unbinding plan fails to win majority support, the group will request a rollcall of the 50 states. Once thely, convention convenes supported for move quickly to get it over with by a voice vote. Thee could be stay off Convention Floor. One is urging delegates to stay off the Convention Floor to rob trump of the delicate minimum needed. Wants delegates to return once the state reaches the round of voting the less than do whatever they want. There are more scenarios beyond the rules committee. We will see if they have legs. Kentucky,exington, the republican, go ahead. Caller you already know my name. As a millennial, and are presenting my generation, i think if you dont vote for donald trump you are a racist. I lived in st. Louis, missouri, for 10 years. I am from the midwest. St. Louis and missouri is the number two most violent state in the nation. Look what he will do to elevate for black people out of poverty. Look at chicago, all the Illegal Immigrants have taken their jobs. How could somebody not want trump . By bringing in jobs and creating circulation, that is ridiculous. Dont you want poor black people to elevate . If you dont vote for trump, you are a racist. That is what i have to say. Host all right, now a democrat, lets hear what yes to say. Caller i think the same situation happened in britain. I think the same thing is over here. It has already started. It is sad to say. The way host barbara in florida, an independent, it is your turn. You. R thank host what are your thoughts . Caller excuse me . Host go ahead, barbara. Caller ok, thank you cspan. Host all right, yes to listen to your phone. A democrat now, what do you think . This last stand for the Never Trump Movement. Caller the thing is, some of this campaign is about disability patients. I dont like what he says about making fun of people. Says about things he racial things, in terms of turmoil, a Dallas Police officer got killed. I dont think some of these people make comments that causes serious problems. That is all i have to say. Host lets look at the polls this morning. Where this race stands, hypothetically, as they get ready for the party convention. Key swings strong in states. States that havent been in play for decades now appear within his reach. However, solid red states could be slipping. All told, a dozen states have produced polls showing the donald trump and Hillary Clinton within five Percentage Points of each other. There was this this morn from the wall street journal. Clir recent poll shows them ose in key states. Clinton holds a nine point lead in pennsylvania. Clinton werep and tied. Threea, clinton holds a point lead. Both democratic president ial candidates and a republican rival remain unpopular in key states. State, 20 said they were undecided or volunteer that it would support neither mr. Trump nor mrs. Clinton. More voters far said they have an unfavorable impression of both, than a favorable one. Was nearly ashe disliked in some areas than he s is. She was talking but uniting our country. She said donald trump is dividing a foster here is t