Have backfired in the economic regard. Despite changing the government they did and get tha the economc growth that they were hoping for. In tunisia they may get it that is to say the statistics after 2011. If they do that thats not so bad, but certainly they thought this was a way to approve the economy. I think in the longterm, they are right. That is to say that corruption was so bad that its discouraging for the foreign investment. And i think the new governance that are coming in are weak and inexperienced for the most part that is the message that they need. Thats maybe with a lookout in that regard and they were right. Thank you for your good questions and appreciate coming out. We will go to the signing now. Thanks so much. [applause] let me get a minute to get this taken down and then we will go ahead and get the signing going. [inaudible conversations] next on booktv after words with guest host theresa, former white house chief information officer. This week cheryl and her first book Police State Usa held the nightmare is becoming our reality. And if the the Washington Times reporter argues the governments desire to monitor and control the public is greater now than ever before. A traffic light cameras, drone monitoring and more amounts to the police state that must be rolled back. This program is about one hour. It is a pleasure to be here with you today and i enjoyed reading your book Police State Usa. I am a junkie by any church and i have the opportunity to talk with people about how to protect the data. And we have got so many modernday privacy issues coming out and what i love about what you do with the book it is so well researched and thoughtprovoking so im really excited to talk with you today and have a conversation about what the people need to know. One of the things i thought was interesting was the nsa revelations and i wrote a little about it i that in my book privn the age of the big data of the consumers didnt realize the businesses collect a lot of data about them and so they are cooperation whether you call it cooperation or coercion, im not sure, is that what sort of compelled you to write the book or are there other driving forces that youve got. Thank you for being with me today. Im glad to hear that youve enjoyed the book. Covering the local level of the government you really get a handson experience on how policies and regulations impact just average americans. And watching the people that purchased the property withave h the hopes of building their dream homes come into the local permitting offices and request the right to build their homes and properties and a certain county that i cover was almost like it was an environmentalists ground zero battleground. It was driven by the environmental regulation policy. They didnt want to build anything. It is about the parcel of property that they purchased into the local zoning people denying them. They had no appeals left and i remember them leaving the women in particular in tears as she going to do without property. I was always keyed into issues like that. I am an american and the constitution is a big deal i read it just for fun sometimes and so i was always kind of laser and on issues like that. So that is having four children and i worry about the state of america and the future that we are leaving them. Host you bring up the children and youre absolutely right its almost as if what the Founding Fathers fought so hard for through the clicks and choices and some choices we dont even know we are making weve given up those freedoms and what i love that youve done in the book is youve actually quoted the Founding Fathers before each chapter and when you read the quotes it really does relate to the chapter. So it shows the principles to the Founding Fathers, the constitution and the country was founded on even though the Technology May change, the principles stated same. Its kind of like the bible if you are a christian or believer. The basic principles dont change. The constitution isnt a leaving of breathing document as al gore would intend. There are certain Core Principles and to me, the Founding Fathers set our rights come from god, not government and if you think about it its a very powerful principle and one that i fear is flipping away leading to the police state by usa that we have right now. Once you recapture that he ascended tyou sendit to the patg fathers intended. Host you talk about the places you may not even know you are being tracked. So, for example mannequins and my coauthor and i talked about the same you mentioned in your book about one of the things people might not realize is when you drive up to the Shopping Mall and if there is surveillance going on your license plate might be photographed and then you walk into the Department Store, your phone is talking to the wifi in the Department Store and now they know that youre there and the next piece is the mannequins are actually watching you and trying to decide female or male. They may even try to decide ethnicity. All t the stored in the database to serve us better. Then you add the various new technology coming out and this is what im sure people say are you kidding me . You added to that. They are going to be adding listening features to the mannequins. Talk about some of the risks and concerns and what was the sort of awe, went that this is going on in the local Department Stores in europe and america. Guest rates when it crosses the line from the stores posting notices and displayed in a prominent places so that shoppers are aware they are being recorded to the point you have no idea as a shopper and your movements and conversations are being recorded and for what reason you dont know. Some of the technology that they have in place now as you pointed out the mannequins have moved from the cameras in the iq also recording devices planted in the head oheads of the mannequin and justified reason for that is because the stores want to know the shoppers discussions. That way they can gauge what are the best seller bestsellers ans need to be moved off the shelf. The big problem is most shoppers dont know. When you walk into the store its not like the signs say this dummy is recording you. You dont know that and when it is happening to you in real li life. Host i dont remember walking in the door and having been handed me a disclosure statement saying by the way, you may not only be photographed for security reasons but i kind of want to know what youre looking at and second of all im going to snoop in on your personal private conversations, so i think that is one thing that people need to be really aware of. Sometimes companies have an appetite for data that helps the customers loyalty. A stock things in the store that i want. But, you know, i think that asked what price . We know that all technology as possible. We have seen the best and brightest. And the data in the wrong hands could be potentially dangerous. And as we learned what enforcement may want to request the data into you can see things progressing that way where there is recorded conversations were photographs while people are shopping. Guest in the private field when you are a shopper it showed at the very least be given a heads up what information is being collected. Most people know about their zip code and support for the cameras cameras that are hidden also have new technology that aims on your iphone if you are a big spender lets swarm on him or her and to get them to buy more. They appreciate the convenience but you are not given a choice whether they participate in it or not. There is a database that is being kept and it isnt just the data that is floating around. Theres actually some sort of database where your information is setting into the Law Enforcement or the government surveillance intel and so forth. Host if we are innocent until guilty especially for minding our own business. Lets stay on the topic of the facial technician because you mention in the book. Lawenforcement is using facial recognition, not just a few but a lot of states at the dmv there is a lot of added bonus going on while you are doing your license renewal they are asking you in some cases not to smile coming into the reason being is that your photograph now has a dual purpose. Its not just about your drivers license anymore. All this data is being fed in some instances into the state data centers. Guest because of counterterrorism intel at this data centers people expected him to it for Law Enforcement and to fight crime somewhere at the dmv and youre not smiling into the camera because they tell you not to commit you need to be aware that this is yet another form of Data Collection, and you should be concerned or at least curious where is this going to end up. Host at the dmv you dont have a choice. You need to get your license. You can go to the state governor and say you dont like their practice and speak up. You dont have a choice. But you do have a choice on the pictures that are put out on the internet on social media and thats one of those important things i think consumers need to realize is that you can take a little bit of your privacy back. Maybe you have to go through the state process and make sure the voice is heard. What else is accompanying you on the photo. Lets go into the bank because weve talked a little bit about how theres some technologies how as consumers we dont remember being given a disclosure here is how im going to use your data thank you very much but we dont even know the listing of the photographing is going on. And what i liked about what you talked about with the bank is for that struggle a half in the modern age. And i remember when i first started thinking, i could not believe that we couldnt call on our own customers on the Technology Side doing the platform for marketing. And the first thing we have to look out for the marketing is for us or somebody else. So they have the duty of care if i collect data about you i have to disclose to you but im going to do with it and i also have to protect it. I have this duty of care. But what is interesting i think a lot of people dont realize how much the banks are told and its not necessarily in the disclosure statement. If you make a deposit because of the antimoney laundering and the potential suspicious transactions, the bank has to report you no matter how innocent and how great a customer you are. They must report that transaction. They also have to report when you are signing up for credit they have to ask a lot more questions than maybe they would normally ask because they truly know you because they have to actually prove to different bureaus within the government that they truly did their customer due to the gents on you. Host talk a little bit about the findings you were doing research on the banks. And some of the things the banks are being told they have to collect about you. And then literally turn around and hand it over to other departments and agencies. Guest you rightly described whats going on with things and they are kind of being put in a crunch on the one hand how you know, the federal government is bearing down on the banks and saving for the counterterrorism reasons and so forth. You must collect information on your customers. But they arent really giving them a checklist of questions to ask. And if the banks dont ask the proper questions and something ends up being the customer is doing something illegal banks could be fined for that severe kind of a tight spot right now. You have the customer going into the bank i remember when i first started thinking they used to draw you in by giving you a free toaster or signup and you get something for free. And all of that friendly neighborhood banking relationship is going on. Now the banks want to know more than just your name, Social Security number, data and so forth. They want to know where you work and where you do business, where the business you work at does business and the business you work at does business and in the overseas locations they may pry into that. And the reason is they are trying to do their Due Diligence to keep the fed off their backs basically, but whats happening is the average american is feeling like they are suspected of a crime when all they are trying to do is open a bank account. You almost have to think are they trying to marry me or open an account to deposit my money. Its kind of the third degree that youre putting me through. You are a mom, i am a mom. You talk about this in the book and i talked about it in my book of appearance really need to understand how when you put your children in the care of others, what may be going on in the name of security, or in the name of grade tracking for your kids. So as it relates for the school youre going to record all of their grades online. We just saw a young man who his friend, some of them paid him to change their grades and while he was in there he changed his own and hes been busted for it. They might say thats really just sort of high school hijinks. He shouldnt have done that. It was wrong. He will pay the price. With no harm, no foul. He was cut. But then theres the other piece thats been collected about the children they are being used at the schools now and in some regards it is touted as this is a great way to make sure that your child gets on the right bus and for us to notify you. Am i reading that thinking what happened to the teacher or volunteer standing there saying good morning. Why just because technology can do it doesnt mean you should. And you talk a little bit about the scanning thats going on. Talk about when you were researching this as a mom but also as a reporter with were some of the privacy concerns that hit you that you felt like people dont really know about this and they need to know . With for some of the things you thought i have to cover this in the book, the Biggest Issue for me was not telling of the pare parent. This was dressed in 2013. When the child would board the bus they were told to us and until the light turns blue. If the information the school had on appearance aside, the residents and home address and it sends an alert your child is on the bus and on the way home. Unfortunately, that school ended up being committed parents ended up being outraged at what that school is because the person that is supposed to send the notification will let them know that their child is going to be scanned. These children were scanned on the bus and it was like first, second and third grade. The parents were outraged and rightfully so. What shocked me was the fact this could go on and its technology thats necessary. Second off, technology where the parents dont need to give some input and the opportunity to say yes or no before its implemented. Also what shocked me is the stuff like this thats going on with the spare regularity around america right now is few and far between the cases as they are emerging technology and its becoming a lot more abundant at our schools. You feel like sometimes the argument is this is in the name of security or convenience. There was also Something Else that you mentioned whether it is paying for School Lunches or getting kids on the right bus were the wrong bus which i survived getting on and off the bus i dont know about you without scanning my iris or turning over my dna to anybody. They went out into the other schools that are using it and maybe to think thats great. Its the latest and greatest technology to protect my children and they are just not really thinking about all the technology that is packable and this country that i dont know its not my school its been outsourced. Has my child i scanned. Whether it is for healthcare. Whenever that iris scan gets tied to somebody else might have the code in the technology to literally fake out the scanner. And i think that is also part of the danger is people are not thinking about there is the privacy aspect on the front end of the need to have full disclosure but on the back end if somebody steals this data and it is your biometric about you, how are you going to cover . Somebody shoving your credit card information. If its for the security, and other great argument is that its for the children. So you can always make a worstcase argument, the worstcase argument to justify any action on the part of the government. And with technology and the iris scanning and biometrics and stuff like that often times its a worstcase scenario. As a parent that is something that you need to be aware that your local school could be looking at this technology as a way of securing your child. Guest universe and you have to say to your children i want you to respect authority unless they ask you to give up your biometric data then please call me or text me. Right . Speaking of the disclosure when you think about kids and we think about, you know, talking to them about the different aspects and the birds and bees talk somebody mentioned drones, they talk about the hummingbird model of the drones and theres also that these that fly around. The fact a lot of times when we hear the word drove a lot of times they are official military views or Law Enforcement protection devices and they dont realize they are literally as small and as blended into nature as a bee or bird at this rate. And some of the challenges with anybody can have a drone. You are righ right about an eled official who literally looked out her window and came facetoface with a drone. Talked a little about her experience with that and maybe that was a good wakeup call for a lot of us. Its funny because issues like drones and privacys cross the political parties. Often times they have the same concerns. And in this particular instance, it was senator dianne feinstein. She was in her home i think it was. She looked up her window and there was a drone and she took that experience to congress and warned her Congressional Colleagues to go slow on the Drone Technology. I think that that force is basically out of the barn and i think at this point there isnt really a lot people can do to slow down as far as the private sector does. The congress has passed the fcc to come up with policies for commercial use of drones by 2015. Amazon has already indicated that it wants to use drones to make product delivery. I think there was a pizza train chain that wanted to use drones. People are going to look at that drones coming in and delivering products as ki