Flow, that kind of thing. So i guess we tried to really become indispensable to our customer. Watch this and other programs online at booktv. Org. Mirta ojito talks about hate crimes against latinos in the u. S. Which she says has been increasing in frequency. She tells the larger story through the specific case of Marcelo Lucero, a 37yearold ecuadoran immigrant who was beaten to death by a group of teenagers on long island this 2008. This is about 45 minutes. I feel like im in my living room having a conversation. Im really, really very glad that youre all here tonight. Lots of friends from different hi, marty from different aspects of my life. I almost didnt make it, actually, but thats another to story. Well, as many of you know, my book, hunting season, is about a horrible crime, theres no other way to describe it, that took place november 8, 2008, on long island when a group of teenagers attacked and killed an immigrant from ecuador. His name was Marcelo Lucero. Marcelo was walking with his best friend, angel. Angel survived the attack but marcelo did not. There were many reasons why i was attracted to this history. One of them was the nature of the crime. I found out very early on that these young people and they were very young, they were 17 and 18 at the time, juniors and seniors in high school, made it a practice, sport be if you will, or entertainment to go around hunting for boehners which is what they beaners which is what they called immigrants, presumably from mexico. During the confession, they kept talking about how they were looking for illegals from mexico. So i was horrified by that, of course, as anybody would be, the fact that the young people can think so little of a human life as to go out hunting for people as if the they were prey. The second reason is that a long time ago in a faraway land when i was a reporter for the times, the new york times, i wrote a story about a study that two sociologists had released from university, State University at albany in which they said that immigrants were no longer going to the city. They were, in fact, bypassing the cities and moving to suburbia. And this was happening all over the country and not just with hispanic immigrants, but all immigrants. And so i wrote a story about that, and and what they said to professors was that this would have consequences, that it would have consequences in terms of politics, in terms of elections, but also and weve seen that but also in terms of tension and all kinds of things. So i wrote a story then in 1996 and made a mental note to follow be up. Follow up. I never did. Its one of those things reporters up you know, reporters just kind of move on to the next story. So when i heard about Marcelo Lucero, i thought this was in many ways, sadly, the perfect followup. Because everything that they said would happen in suburbia had, in fact, happened this Suffolk County. I dont know if youve ever been there, but Suffolk County is about 60 miles from new york city. And this kind of situation was going on so near, its actually between new york city and the hamptons. And so many maybe not so many [inaudible] but so many people from new york drive to the hamptons every weekend that maybe they dont hook sideways and think, you know, this is going on here. These people are our neighbors, and its happening right next door to us. So that was the second reason why i was attracted to this story. And the third reason was because as many of you also know, im an immigrant myself. I came from cuba when i was 16 years old. I boarded a boat, and i wrote a book about it called finding [inaudible] and so i felt somehow connected to the story. Those of us who came from cuba in 1980 came to be known as [speaking spanish] because the boat lift was called the mariel boat lift. Its a term that i actually use with pride, but it became a derogatory term, no question about it. So ive always been conscious of labels and what that means, what how much they can hurt, how much they can taint an entire group of people. The label meant at a certain point criminality or criminal, illegality. And that label of illegality has haunted some of these people who in sufficient of folk county became Suffolk County who became, indeed, prey. Of so i began reporting the book in january of 2010 with the trial of Jeffrey Conroy who was one of the seven young people who attacked Marcelo Lucero. Took me three, three very hard years. Some of you here in fact, probably all of you here know how hard i worked. Some of you even helped me in that work, for which im very, very grateful. And i d there was a lot that happened in those three years. I went to wall say owe, this Little Village in ecuador. Many of you perhaps have heard of a town about 30 miles from it. Its much smaller. Most people had never been there. And the immigrants, the majority of them, are hispanics. The majority of those are from ecuador. And practically all of them are from this Little Village. So i was immediately attracted to that because thats how immigration happens, right . An immigrant arrives somewhere, and he or she does well, gets a job, gets a house and begins calling his or her friends and families with reports of a good life, well, at least a better life, jobs and housing, and they follow. People follow. I was lucky enough that during my first visit i actually met the first [inaudible] to come to patchhog. Hes in the book, of course. And and he told me the story of how he came and how he began telling seem of the wonders of long island and how they followed. So that was really great. Eventually, of course, i had to go and understand the forces that had pushed people out of ecuador. Because, as you know, immigration is a twoway process. Theres a pull and a push effect, right . The pulling that we do with our way of life and the fact that we pay better wages and that we have jobs. Not all the time, but usually. And the push is when immigrants leave for whatever reason. So i had to go to the village to find that. I found a really pretty village, crisscrossed by rivers, surrounded by mountains with an abundance of food and very, very kind people many of whom dont want to leave. And theyre doing well. Not very well, but well enough to stay. Its a village that has changed dramaticallybecause of migration. In fact, i remember standing at a point in the village where the person who was helping me who was a reporter, he was the owner of the local paper in town, the local weekly, he showed me a dividing line, and he said this was our town before be immigration, and this is it now. And it had literally doubled in size. People who are in patchhog and other places from the village send pictures from magazines and money, and they say this is the house i want. Down to the tile, the roof, the wood in the kitchen cabinets, the bed spread on the bed. Marcelo lucero did the same. He designed the house. Over the years he sent about 100,000 to have the house of his dreams built. It was built. I visited it. And it was waiting for him. His bedroom was there waiting for him. His mother was, of course, very sad, and she gave me a tour of the house. It had three stories. And he had decided who was going to live where. He wanted to to have all the family together. He was not married, he didnt have children, but he had two sisters and one brother and a nephew. He was the godfather of the neff nephew as well. So she shoe showed to me this huge Entertainment Center, and she said he really wanted this very large tv, and Entertainment Center had to be custom made for the tv because it was so big. And so he had arrived after it had arrived after he was killed. And she pointed like this with herren chin to show me that now what she had on top of the tv was his ashes. It was extremely sad, extremely sad. I also, of course, talked to the parents who talked to me, the parents of the boys who attacked. Not all of them did, but two did, and the book is better because of of that, i feel. The father of Jeffrey Conroy, mr. Conroy, was courageous and kind enough to open his home to me and to tell me about his family and his son and the family of chris overton, another of the seven boys, also talked to me. And i think theres a more i nuanced portrayal of these young men in the book simply because i know more about them because their parents talked to me. And i shared their, you know, their childhood and their Life Experiences and their family. Um, im happy to report that the mayor of patchhog, he is the grandson of italian immigrants because this is a town of immigrants. Mostly irish and italian immigrants. And the mayors family is from ca labially ya. Hes never been to italy. He thinks that patchhog is the best place in the world to be. Why would he want to be anywhere, particularly in the summer . So hes never been to italy, as i said, but he has been to this ecuadoran village. After this, he realized that he needed to reach out and to get to know the place that had sent so many of its people to his village. He doesnt speak spanish, he had never been anywhere pretty much. And he chose to go to the the village which is, i think, important. He read the book recently and sent me an email, and he said im not quoting, but its the spirit, he said it was a really great book and that he called it, he called it a cautionary tale that everyone should read and particularly young people. And then he sent me another email without my prompting him, and he said and you can use that in any way you want to, because everybody ought to read this book. So im using it here because i think everybody ought to read the book, particularly young people. And i say that because a lot of what happened in patchhog began in the high school. The high school was a really complicated place. It was a very large place. It had kids from all the towns around patchhog. Its called medford high school. And im going to read a little bit from a section of the book that is very telling about the high school. Very short because i dont like reading. [laughter] its, its really, um, before i began reporting the book, two of the students at the journalism store did a documentary on the case. In fact, one of them was my student when he was working on the documentary. And it was his documentary that inspired me because i watched and i realized, this is great, but theres a lot more that i can do with a book. And so, um, they gave me this is a person whos now with abc news. And they worked this documentary called running wild, and they gave me the transcript of all the interviews theyd conducted at the high school right after it happened which is really important. Because those interviews in 2010 you have time to think about it, its a different story. This is right after the murder. A boy named david, 16 and born in el salvador, now worries how, quote, the other seem, quote, the white, nonhispanic kids would throw food at the latino students who huddled together at the tables during lunch lunchtime. Quote, like they would say we immigrants should go back to mexico, david recalled. And what do you do, one of the film makers inquired. Nothing. Most of the time we remain quiet, david replied. So when youre eating and someone shouts go back to mexico, what goes through your head . What do you think and how do you feel . You can tell these are very well trained reporters. [laughter] i feel very long pause ashamed. Because were in a country that is not ours, you know . The school hallways, and have you had a problem with someone who dislikes imgrant students here in school . Yes, sometimes we walk, they come by and push us, and we dont do anything because we dont want to get in trouble with them, david said. Students on the way to the gym mumbled under the breath, you mexican, go back to the country, whether the student was mexican or not, or yell, talk english, and run to class. All the time, they complained, they would call the immigration authorities. The list of insults was long, you other students said, quote, and other students who said youm hear mexican, you hear dominican you hear beaner, border hopper, the list can go on, or i. I. For a legal immigrant. Another boy named williams said you cant walk in the hallway without looking back. Angelika who was born in new york city said she heard nasty comments about Puerto Ricans and the dominicans and this is how she analyzed the behavior of her classmates and this is angelika talking. I dont think its racist or anything. I think its what they hear at home like when they hear stuff on the news saying mexicans are crossing the border and hispanics are coming over here and trying to take our jobs. I think its their parents telling them all this stuff and they dont know better in their head. So they come to school with this hatred towards hispanics when immigrants come to this country. But i think the kids here at home and come over here and think they know everything. But really they are all ignorant. So that was angelika speaking. I thought this was i dont have the words to express it when i read all that. This is just an example of pages of transcripts of the students talking about what went on in the high school and the grownups didnt know. They had never heard. This attack, this situation and also the attack on the village had been going on for a long time, and everyone in putting the town authorities claim they didnt know. Its possible they didnt know because many of the immigrants were here and they said they basically were attacked on the way home so didnt want to attract attention to themselves. They didnt want to tell the police because they didnt know what was going to happen to them if they had called the police. Have things changed, a lot of people ask me. I like to say yes they have. Theres been the library that has been amazing. They were before the attacks and they continue to be. Many members of the clergy have done a lot of things. Rabbis, pastors. Pastor greg walter had a lot of programs in his church that helped immigrants and the community in general. But i do have to tell you that i think it was in april of this year one immigrant was attacked in patchog. So when the mayor says it is hard to know if they were crimes of hatred or opportunity, many of the immigrants kerry cash because they are undocumented and cannot get paid in but they were happy that the immigrants after they were attacked came to him first and that clearly shows the lines of communication have opened in the towns of that is a very positive thing. I also note though the attack took place in patchog, none of the teenagers actually lived there. They went there because they knew there would be immigrants and they were in east patchgue and other places. To ny want to read another short passage from the trial of Jeffrey Conroy and this is the beginning of chapter 1. This is when the only surviving witness of the attack other than the attackers of course, was on the witness stand and the defense lawyers and prosecutors are asking questions about the attack. Did you ever see am i come ask william, the lawyer representing Jeffrey Conroy, the young man who at 17 confessed to stabbing and killing his friend marcelo. Did you ever see anyone stat marcelo . No because the second im sorry, im sorry about that. Thats fine, the lawyer said and went on to the next question. But it wasnt fined. They couldnt convey his feelings the night that he stayed away thinking what if and the hours that he saw that his actions on the day of the attack. It wasnt fair that the lawyer wanted a simple yes or no. They couldnt describe his fear or regret. The truth was that he had turned his back momentarily on his friend and the attackers to run for safety. He had called out to lucero to follow him but he took his ground and fought. The truth was that he hadnt seen the knife but he wished he had. When you got to the Police Precinct did you talk to a detective for an officer right away or did you have to wait, the lawyer continued. I had to wait. Do you know how long . Two or three hours. In that two or three hours that you were waiting to speak to the Police Officer did you learn what happened to your friend . No. Okay so when did you learn that . I didnt find out until the detectives approached me. They said they were detectives and the first thing i asked was how is my friend. And what did they say . They said im sorry. Your friend passed away. He is dead. At this point in the trial, he could no longer hold back his tears. He wanted to go back to the oneroom apartment, shut the door and stay inside with his friend watching tv. He wished he had never gone out that day. If he hadnt come if he said no instead of yes on the afternoon of november 8th, 2008, if he hadnt been so accommodating to his older friend, perhaps lucero would still be alive. He briefly considered turning down the third invitation that day. But in his friends place he detected a sense of desperation or loneliness. Later loja wondered did he know he was going to die that day . Did he somehow know he had hours to live and that is why he didnt want to be alone . Lucero may not have needed a state your that day for loja knew he couldnt have saved his friend. What lucero needed after the attack was someone to bear a witness. And so here he was. More than 16 months after bearing witness. And how did you know lucero loja, the mayor asked . Only unleashing a flood of memories. Loja cleared his throat before asking. Ive known Marcelo Lucero since i was 5yearsold. I want to read that i wanted to read that because i think it encapsulates what this book is about. Its about regret and its about a sense of murder. Its about racism and bigotry, guess but mostly it is about and Perfect People and what motivates them and what makes them do what they do. No matter where they are from come from here or south of the border. Thank you very much. [applause] i would be happy to take questions if you have any questions. Is there any discussion on how the schools have changed . I personally have not reported that because the book was very focused on the time this took place but i had a reading in the library and patchouge that she said things had changed and the immigrant students are now getting together. And for example having lunch together in the cafeteria which was not the case before. It was a very divided school. I think part of the reason is the students said that now the English Learners are not in their own hallway. They had separate classs and was kind of a separate but equal and as we know that doesnt work. And so, there was no interaction except wh