It was sold and parts of it have been sold. Portions of it exist. Host author larry schweiker, why do use the word teacisry host of 39 white you use the term patriots history in your book . Guest it was as direct play of peoples history. If he can say this is the if he history of the people it is the history for all the patriots. And who host who are theho are t patriots . Ies . They love america even with the faults to see her went t improved r improve, to iand beside er but fe . Shes getting beat up in the parking lot. She probably deserves it. That is not a patriot. Host in her most recent book, a pastries history of the modern world from americas exceptional dissent to the atomic, if you write its democratic processes or selfconfidence. America remains the worlds sole exceptional nation, which is to say it aloud is a self written narrative that explains why the u. S. Should, not just good influence others. Why is america exceptional . Guest we get into this with four factors that we are to make american exceptional nation. First of, ma and the germans started, ma, but a fella sometime around 101,100. A recent surge by the british. We have a common law system and we observed from a. The british are rapidly losing their common law system through the e. U. Not because we are the only nation on earth to common law. Everybody else follows french civil law. Common law is the notion that god plans the law in the hearts of the people, that they know whats right and wrong and the other theaters as the germans did to enforce the law that everybody else i ready knows is right. Civil law stems from divine right of games, which does god plans the law and the heart of the ruler and dispenses it as he sees fit. Thats really where most of the state fire. A christian, mostly protestant, i dont think too many people would argue with that. Private Property Rights with titles and deeds. This is brought out in a boat by Hernando Desoto called the mystery of capital, in which he argues one of the missing things in much of what i used to call a third world which they have property, but they dont have written titles and deeds to the property that allowed them to the socalled leverage that to build businesses. One of the first things they say is do you have collateral for the one. You cant prove the loud. Without the ability to build wealth. And the fourth factor everyone agrees with pretty much a free market system. So those four factors if you look at this taken together, were about the only one center to have all four. Some have three common in many have to come up to where the only ones who have, Bob Christian religion, and free market. Host in your book from 2011, but what the founders say a patriot answers to americas most pressing problems. One of the questions youve asked to resist if the government responsible for protecting the land and private property . Was the answer to that question . Guest in a very limited sense of days. And this is jeffersons idea, not mine. Jefferson wanted to get as much land and to people as possible. When should belong to individuals and of course if his ideas to craft the Land Ordinance of 1785. If the Northwest Territory were going to get read of the land as fast as we possibly can because the government should be the biggest landowner in america, just as the church was in medieval europe. It should be the people. Host what about the question of money supply in the government . Guest thats interesting, you know. In 1990, 91, was invited to a meeting in europe, the only time id had was to munich and there were a lot of big brained stare. I was on a barge with five nobel Prize Winners and i wasnt one of them. As Milton Friedman and buchanan and i forget the other two. I had a debate with Milton Friedman, mr. Free market about for you competitive money and he was arguing the government should control the money supply. Iud from American History in the 1830s to 1850s at competitive money will give you a sounder, more reliable economy with fewer panic. Host religion, what the founders say . Guest founders were unanimous that the government should not establish a religion, nor should it prevent the worship of any sort. Virtually every state constitution had the words god and half of them have the words jesus christ and. Many of them up and tell the 1820s by jesus christ in the constitution. So virtually all of the founders were of a mind to you needed to make sure the government did not force people to practice a particular religion. Too, that much different than saying you couldnt have a nativity scene on public property because at the time almost all of them were engaged in some sort of Government Support and churches being pastors, for example, having Prayer Services in the u. S. Capital. Jeffersons level, which is a private level in which he says theres a separation and theres no line in the constitution. Theres a wall of separation between church and state. Jefferson meant that in terms that we dont want to see the Anglican Church established in virginia, but we dont want to prevent anglicans from worshiping virginia appeared host professor schweikert, with the mention of christ, does that say we are a christian nation and christianity as the official . Guest i dont think its official, but i think its understood. The example is virtually other founders were christians. We go to pretty good links, for example, disabuse the notion that franklin was absolutely not. He believed an interventionist god. The only founder who could reasonably call it jefferson, certainly George Washington professing christian. He took oaths, including the words jesus christ once a month. They all came from a notion and a structured Christian Country and structured the government in light of that assumption. When the Federal Reserve act was in 1913, not one mention of the Gold Standard. And yet every single person, all the bankers who suggested this is operating under the Gold Standard. Its the same way with the founders. Host one more question about what would the founders say. You make the point that all the founders are what you call small government banned. What tv. Guest by that, they were all greatly concerned that government come to either through its executive branch in terms of the jeffersonian or in terms of the legislative ranch, the hamiltonian scum that were concerned that government could and would be abusive if given half the chance. To be built into the system every conceivable check and balance you possibly could to keep government from acting erratically and rapidly. They wanted to ask slowly with great deliberation and make it very difficult to do things. Host year. You talk about one of the themes is progressive versus constitutionalism, that site. What do you mean by that . Where do we stand today . Guest this originated in the 1890s. The populist party, i hate using terms for an older era, but more of a leftist party, mostly rural, democratic, poorer. They died out after the election of mckinley. In their place came a republican backed waiting call to progressives. Teddy wristlet is the most famous, but there were a number of progressives in the progressives believed man could be reformed, that if you simply put man through enough hoops that he could be perfected. By the way, theyre the ones to change the penal system from one that punishes and incarcerates to one that reforms. I just miss him a comfortable they be the Charles Manson sitting next to them because he made a lot more license plates. They reform everything about the Financial System with the income tax and their goalie is nothing short of perfect man in this world. The constitutionalists right of the founders multicity dont trust men. Even good men, we dont trust the man. We want to make sure theres so many checks and balances that its difficult for people to enact laws on other people. Even out of the goodness of their heart, which are usually for the worse legislation comes from. Host where do you teach . Guest the university of dayton. Dayton has been very, very good to me. Ive been supported. Its a great place to work. Thisll be 27 years. Host how do you get into the history of teaching . Guest i grew up in arizona, a great town called chandler, only 12 dozen people. Today its a quarter of a million. All through high school and college i played drums in rock n roll bands and as soon as i got out, i got on the road with iraq beyond him for the next four or five years i paid for groups. Host what was the name of your band . Desk of that band was called rampage. But even used her music in the film rock n roll. The road is very hard. Especially if youre not springsteen without these rarities and dry setting stuff up and flying in planes. We rent vans, trucks, is very difficult. So i still wanted to play rock music at night, but i wanted a daytime gig that if i didnt work that we could have some money. I got teaching with the ec. I thought it would be an easy cake, so i wanted to Teach High School and i get back to arizona i dont have a teaching certificate. To get a certificate and 80 u. S. History class. Id gone through four years. No not then Arizona State. But i had a ba in Political Science can never took a single u. S. History course. So i had to go back during the summer in order to get this u. S. History course. At a professor professor named Robert Wallenberg who runs a think tank now in jerusalem and in six weeks he was so inspirational and he challenged the assumption is that within a fixed it. I said i want to be a professor and slowly accredited music, paymasters at Arizona State and they kicked me out because they said we cant get you a good job. Ended up at university of california Santa Barbara with Elliot Brownlee and got a phd and i went to one job before dayton. I taught in wisconsin and then i went to dayton. Host are you a conservative . Guest definitely. Host have you always been . Guest i was the only member of the band who didnt drink. Eyeballs they never did drugs, but i never did drugs the way they do drugs. The only time ive been drunk in my life, i tell the story to my students. We ran mississippi. The first big hurricane they took very seriously were boarding everything. So we were all watching monday night football with the readers and the dolphins. They are always writing me trying to get me to drink or do whatever. Come on, just drink it. It will hurt you. So they are back there spiking the wind with vodka and pretty soon the game seems to be going on forever. Pilatus corder football. Its that im getting drunk, can you get me some coffee . Of course their stake in the coffee with vodka, too. I decided that it a conservative. Host what does it mean to be conservative historian . Guest it means you are a historian who has taken her to bomb the world. One of the fallacies look up from the German School is you cannot truly object of history. You want to have accurate history, but that doesnt necessarily have to be object of history. Every selection of a fat, the mere fact that i choose to report this fact over that fact is a sofa by courtesy you cannot be free of bias. Her selection effect will determine your bias. So what you have to do instead is aimed for accuracy and truth. Does this tell the true story, not just factual story, but does that tell the story of what was happening in these events . That requires that historian put himself or herself in the era of the time. We have a lot of historians today who write train to criticize events in the pads would justify events based on their current political beliefs. You have to look at things in the context of what the people were seen at the time. It is most brought out by the filmlike and doing very well, the criticisms of lincoln. Lincoln was a racist. For his day, lincoln was phenomenally danced in terms of race relations. By todays standards accorsi was a racist. Every was back then. Compared to everybody else, lincoln was way ahead of the curve. Host 2004, teacher of history from columbus great discovery to the war on terror came out. Christopher columbus, a lot of writing that he wasnt the first. Just go right. We have a sidebar, almost a twopage sidebar and i think theres a tremendous amount of scholarship that come out is in fact a lot of the disease is attributed to columbus and the europeans existed in the americas before the spaniards ever got here. Does he introduce practices like slavery . Not really. Indians were engaged in slavery. Aztecs were enslaving thousands and cutting their heart though. So all in all, columbus arrival was a wonderful thing for all of humanity. Host what did you bring . Guest columbus brings the european context, the ideas of human life has value, the idea there is something called a polis with the chin people operate. Yes he may have a king, but even within the standards of the day, could be challenged within the Catholic Church and the Civil Society of to appoint. Once again, nothing like what modern democracies fire. But in the context of the time, is a pretty radical worldview, where seven Lake Montezuma is not a god and you could defy his work. Host Larry Schweikart, how many books have you written, co. Written, edited. Guest i cant tell you. Host over 20 . Guest i think so. Host Larry Schweikart is our guest on in depth this month. If youd like to participate on cspan 2, 202 5853880 in eastern and central time zones to go to 3551. You can also contact us via social media. You can make a comment on her face but page, facebook. Com booktv. Then each week. booktv and finally sent an email. Booktv cspan that work. Here are eight of Larry Schweikarts book. Columbus is great discovery to the war on terror in 2004. Americas victories, where the u. S. Wins wars and will win the war and terror, 2006. 48 liberal lies about American History probably learned in school came out in 2008. Seven event that make America America and proof that the Founding Fathers were right all along. America much but never came out in 2010 as well. But what the founders say . Featured answers to americas most pressing problems. 2011, teachers history reader essential document for every american also came out in 2011. In his most recent, capacious history of the modern world from americas exceptional ascent to the atomic bombs 1898 to make 1945. Is there a second volume . Guest yes, should be december. 1945 to 2012. Host seven event that made America America. Why do you include Martin Van Buren . Guest this is actually the most important event in the seven and the one least known. Martin van buren was antislaves. When the missouri compromise was agreed to, Thomas Jefferson said it will come like a fire bell of the night. Van buren had the same reaction. This is going to cause a civil war. His than jeffersons vision are not was at the territories or rip it up, more and more will be free. Asmara territories become free states, congress will get a majority of free throws. When Congress Gets a majority of free votes, sooner or later it will vote to end slavery. So when that happens to get a civil war. See that on the horizon from the van buren sought to make it and run in which he was shortcircuit all discussion about slavery and congress have in the political arena. The way he sought to do this has created a new political party. We worry one party system. From about 18162 mike 1824 called the democratic republicans. Theres a lot of people that think we are still a oneparty system. Van buren creates a new party. To be a member of his party, all you have to do is essentially vow not to talk about slavery, not to bring it up in legislature, legislation, not to speak about it on the stump. You wont introduce any legislation about it. Youre just going to shut up about slavery. What would he have to offer someone who is also antislaves who sees as he does that receipts will eventually be in the maturity. What can he offer them . Has the answer is jobs, patronage. He creates something called the spoils system where politicians promised supporters jobs in return for them getting out the vote. A great film version of this if you saw gangs of new york, where they go through and heard people to vote. Van buren system depended on to other things. It depended the states be sovereign, that the states have a great deal of power and the federal government remains weak and it also depended on having a person in the white house if he was in a southerner and van buren should not think youre going to get a southerner in the weekend. Van buren wanted somebody who would be sympathetic to the slave state concerns. The phrase was in northern minnesota in principle. He succeeds all the way up to 1860. But in keeping the stays strong in the the federal government week, his plan works against itself because each time there is an election, politicians are giving away jobs. If youre going to run against me as the weeks come in, theyve got to give away more jobs than i give away. Pretty soon cover but starts to grow with every election, become speaker of taker. States start to get weaker of the federal figure. Before you know it 1860 they havent paid much attention since 1828. Its very big and powerful and has a lot of influence and all of a sudden the wrong guy gets in the white house. Abraham lincoln, in northern end of the other principal who so slavery is wrong. Well keep it from moving into the territory and that is when the fight starts. Host Larry Schweikart, and van buren developed a system . He tries it out in new york state first with the bobtail parity and then he creates a d