Have career choices. The nsa needs young highly adept people for programming to work in their system or their Corporate Partners like Silicon Valley partners need those people to operate those systems. They waste money mayor faces of the people they want and then theres the other side where their Tech Companies that use privacy tools of the kind that you said were social activism groups. You may not make as much money doing that but thats the kind of choice we all can make to have an ultimate impact. The last point you made i want to underscore which is this remarkable there are tools now bike tour browsers that can protect the internet. The nsa is pulling its hair out over its ability to convey communications in one of the things that is credible is the nsa scours the internet looking for people who are using pgp to protect their emails because they regard anybody who uses pgp email as inherently suspicious on the grounds that if anybody wants to keep their communications away from our prying eyes they are probably bad people doing bad things. The reason that works, the reason you can become a surveillance target if you use pgp is because so few people use it. As millions of people use it instead of tens of thousands or tens of millions and becomes the default of the way we communicate which i think is going to happen it becomes impossible because of the sheer quantity for the nsa to target people. I will severely undermine their ability to invade dedications. Encryption works and if people begin using encryption that will be a major blow against this ubiquitous surveillance. [applause] unfortunately we are running short on time so we can take for brief questions to from each microphone. You have set before that Elizabeth Warren for example or other politicians who would be able to answer would have to conform to a system that forces them to sell out to the influences that would basically their original message and populist message people who would president ial candidates promising reform. Im curious, individuals such as noam chomsky and pero its question the ability of institutions that exist right now to address these problems whatsoever given the level of pervasive the between them and the interconnection and the inability of any single law or politician or even branch of government to effect change on its own. I would also like to say thank you to any fbi agents here for contributing to a great cause. Let me quickly address that. I dont think im quite that graham about the prospect of elected officials to effect some kind of change if they get elected. Do you think the system is if she wants to have other democrats but with her have to make compromises and tradeoffs. Having someone like Russ Feingold in the senate to have hearings on issues and extract pull out information even though any proposal fails by 981 is a real benefit to those of us working outside of the system. Some unlike Elizabeth Warren grilling banking Regulatory Oversight over wall street is extremely beneficial and even though it every other committee is meeting with those people and receiving checks from them. I dont want to overstate the grimness of the dorothy uselessness. Im glad there is Elizabeth Warren talking about that or Russ Feingold talking about that. I dont think any meaningful change will come exclusively or primarily from within this fundamentally corrupt system. It takes all sorts of other things from those who arent in it to take action and not rely on punching a hole every two years next to a name in order for it to happen. [applause] you started a talk by talking about the various attacks on snowden which is the only way they can attack information im curious if you can think of effective attacks they have been doing and what your thinking will be on reasonable offenses to becoming a tax on snowden and information. Do you mean other things that they could deal with effectively that they havent yet thought up that you want me to share . I said earlier actually there is a really interesting debate that is critical in nature of the work that snowden has done and that i have done and warren has done and others of us have done among people with whom i have been long allied that says the disclosures that we have made are too slow, too fragmented, too piecemeal, too incomplete and there should be much more disclosure. Its a really interesting debate to have. I have a lot of respect for those opinions. I dont actually agree with them. I shared some of the reasons im bound by the source but i will give you an example of what i mean. I was doing this pbs newshour today and the interviewer who is quite good a reporter said i want to ask you about a critique from the right in a critique from the left. I thought to myself shes going to ask me about a critique from the left . That never happened. Keith alexander says you are responsible for these dead bodies and no one knows where they are. Then the critique from the last was a column or review from the Washington Post by david cole who is a good critic of Civil Liberties grounds but a nice loyal democrat. That i have engaged in the responsible disclosures that will harm National Security. The critique from the left is one that will grace be great to have in the open is completely excluded as usual. There are critique surrounding the disclosures and how we do the reporting. Thats the reason why treat them with scorn because its what they deserve. [applause] thank you for any everything youre done and im a huge [inaudible] i do have an adversarial question for you though. Critics are saying you have been using documents in this book for your personal gain and how does that blur the lines in traditional journalism and more importantly does that what does that mean in your protection as journalists . What ends up happening is if you are in position possession of topsecret documents the Justice Department believes any publication is a crime come is a felony. The protection that you have is there is this superseding law called the constitution that in the First Amendment guarantees it means you can invoke those protections and potentially block the prosecution by the government even know you are disseminating topsecret documents. Then the question becomes they cant say you are a source or distributor. For example when i worked with foreign Media Outlets around the world to do the reporting in the places where people were who were most affected i wanted to do nsa spying in spain the spanish journalists in spying on sweden i had to enter into contracts with all the organizations before i could get a document saying they were hiring me as a freelance journalist to do their reporting. If i simply gave them the document the Justice Department would say im no longer a journalist and im now a distributor and the source. The proof as journalists get paid and i did it for free. The same thing happen with this book. In this book i wanted to make revelations because its hard to get stories published. You can only get so many stories published at each outlet because they have to go through a long editorial vetting process. Essentially there were two choices. I could publish the documents in the book and sell the book and have everybody say you are charging money for access to classified documents which is selling topsecret material which is espionage for which a lot of people are imprisoned for life or you can do what we did which is on the day of the release we uploaded to the internet every single document in the book so everybody in the world can go and look at them for free. Then you are faced with the criticism and how youre excluding the documents to generate publicity for the book so you essentially have a lose lose proposition. I dont make any apologies at all for having written a book. I want to maximize every platform i have two goround the world and talk about why the surveillance policies are so dangerous and why government secrecy is dangerous urging people to protect their own privacy and talk about why thats so urgent. It was announced today that Sony Pictures purchase the book to make a film about it. Im thrilled about that as well. [applause] when i was growing up i was accessed with the film all the president s men. It reached me about the duties of journalism and i think the book and film will reach people in all sorts of ways that wouldnt otherwise engage people. It would be great if we could spend five months pouring out my heart and soul 10 hours a day into a book without being paid. Like pretty much every journalist in person from noam chomsky to everyone else you need to get paid for your work like everybody else. I dont make apologies for that as well. My duty to my sources to bring the message he wanted to bring to the world as effectively as i can. Writing stories and writing books and doing films are ways for me to do that and thats what i intend to do. [applause] this will be the final question. I was hoping to ask a few rounds fired yes or no questions. Rapidfire yes or no questions. Go ahead and put some together and i will address them as best as i can. I dont expect you to answer it because you talked about some of the upcoming revelations and not wanting to scoop yourself, we expect to see surveillance of occupy wall street and upcoming stories . The reason i dont want to talk about it is because i dont isnt because i dont want to scoop my cell. These are hard documents to get all that and understand the meaning of and to understand how you can communicate them to the world. That means working with smart editors and smart journalist and going for a long process. There have been occasions early on when i made claims about documents that i thought i understood fully. That turned out not to be the way described them. Thats really the reason i dont talk about them. One of the things that happens when people realize the vastness of information theyre given. There was almost this expectation that we have the whole holy grail to solve all injustices like all the files of the u. S. U. S. Government and our possessions every person you cared about any kind of injustice would email me and see me on the street and say i demand to release documents about injustice with the assumption of course we have them. If every single and let me say this, every single document in any archive that reveals abusive or improper surveillance or surveillance that is done for political ends or surveillance thats done in a way thats different from how the u. S. Government has been claiming it was done will be published whether its published by me or somebody else thats a promise i make you. [applause] [inaudible] i think its been a good healthy competition that fuels each of us. No i am not talking to marc gellman but i hope and expect he will continue to do the reporting hes doing. Thank you all very much. Really appreciate it. [applause] thank you to glenn greenwald. Thank you for joining us and thank you for your thoughtful questions. We will have a book signing. If your number what we were calling the news ticker series, featuring prominent authors. Id like to thank everyone connect it was listener who helped to organize this evenings event. The guest of honor is done primarily of course for her Political Goals as first lady, u. S. Senator from new york in the 67th secretary of state. Shes also just published her fifth book and has several previous best sailors to her name. So added to the list of credits after Hillary Rodham clinton should certainly be accomplished author. Hard choices, her memoir about her four years as secretary of state recounts how she came to accept a cabinet position offered by her former political rival and led the effort to deny nations standing around the world. The book also reveals some of the last want cash, less battle hardened side of her not, like wimps in the public humor as come as selfdeprecating, maternal, maybe even grant maternal. Although hillary credits a small team of people for helping with the book, she carved out months on her calendar to write and rewrite it herself and there is told to say work that is undeniably in her voice. But also clearly leaves room for future chapters in one worn by more someday. [applause] this evenings event is particularly special. It is particularly special for me because i not only get to introduce the main speaker, but also my wife who will be appearing conversation with hillary. The two of them go back together to the early days of the Clinton Administration and lissa has sent served with hillary in various roles as white house and state department speechwriter, communications or to the first lady. Campaign advisor and collaborator on hillarys white house memoir, living history. These days when hillary and lissa talk, they spend most of their time discussing the latest great novel, mystery or biography they are breeding. Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming Hillary Rodham clinton and lissa muscatine. [cheers and applause] thank you. Great. [cheers and applause] thank you so much. [cheers and applause] well, that was very nice. It is great to have you. Thank you so much. Thanks to you and brett are running such a great bookstore, politics prose. Speaking up hooks, you got it out for four days now. Is right. For. Its been one of the spaces that was more like when your secretary and you start your books are all over the place in doing these interviews. You keep a pretty frenetic pace. I have to ask you because her the first time i read this book and i read it several times now, i was struck by a kind of lightheartedness. Its a serious book. It deals with obviously very serious issues. But theres a lighter side that comes true. So i am wondering if ive watched you in the first four days and it has been tough interviews to me seem like youre having a good time. Well, i am having a good time and that is in part due to the enthusiasm that i have experienced as ive traveled around in the last couple of days. It is a great feeling to everett in a book about for years that were consequential in my view we can talk about that, but which for me were both a personal journey and a very heavy responsibility. And what i tried to do in the vote was write it so that i could give you, the readers, a bit of a peek behind the curtain because the headline certainly tell some of the story, but not all of the story. And it is more difficult to even get information about the socalled trend line. I wanted to combine both. The hardest part for me about writing this book was that it was, believe it or not, three times longer when i first finished it. I wanted to put every funny story, every bizarre adult. I mean, whatever i could remember and wanted to share. The publisher did say youve got to cut two thirds of this book. And so, i worked hard to keep the combination of seriousness because obviously there is a lot of that, but also the human diet. Not just me, but what i saw and learned as i traveled around the world. Youve never been shy about your opinions, but it does seem to me you are pretty free to speak your mind these days. I think that is true. From some of the reactions ive had the past few days. [laughter] i say in the book that a beard is just a wonderful wealth of x. But ive now had. Ap it is because i am totally god with, you know, being really careful about what to say because somebody might think this instead of that just gets too exhausting and frustrating. It just seems a whole lot easier to just put it out there and hope people get used to it. Whether you agree with that or not, to know exactly where it coming from, what i think about what i feel, i really believe that is missing in both our government dialogue and of course many of you probably are some houses heated in some way with our government certainly in our political dialogue. Theres so many big issues and i talk about some of them, both in nationally and nationally. And i dont agree dean either shouting matches for fingerpointing or biting ones tongue. I think we really need to have an open and straightforward conversation and maybe im trying to model that. I dont know, but that is how it feels to me. It feels a little bit liberating to me. And its great to watch i have to say. Its nice to see. You know, there are occasions when people go up a little, including myself to be fair. But i really want to share the experiences that ive had. I came to this job, as i write in the book, and quite an unusual way and that was incredibly surprised when the president asked me to serve as a little surprise when i finally read too. And then it was just from the very first moment a mad dash because we inherited a pretty serious agenda of problems and challenges. So the perspective that ive gained a sink has encouraged me even more to speak my mind contribute what i can to whatever debate is occurring. Lets talk about the process of writing the book before we get to the substance of it because i remember from the last book you had a day job. You were in the senate and this is really true. Honest to goodness truth because i was working with you on the boat. He did a lot of the work between midnight and 3 00 a. M. And i remember having routine meeting to run your dinner table at 3 00 a. M. We did that for a few months to get it finished. He carved up more time to really focus on it. I think it is interesting. You had a great team working for you, be you or not somebody whos ever taken a draft of a book, speech, chapter and say this looks good. Its been between a cover or publisher right now. Its fine. Youve always played over here fighting. You write, rewrite, you still write in longhand on a legal pad and anybody whos been with anyone writing a book knows its like watching someone go through labor. Its an incredibly painful process, but theres great joy at the end. On the scale of pain and joy, what was the process of writing this book like for you . I should preface what i say by making clear that lissa has been my part or in some of the most portentous writing and speaking that ive done going back to the white house years when she was a speechwriter at the white house. Nsa point out in the chapter called Unfinished Business about womens rights and all gpt rights and other human rights, lissa was my partner in the womens speech and beijing. Fast forward, she was also my partner in the living history autobiography. What she has described because the ways this day job that i loved, but i bet and sign the contracts are obligated to produce a book. So i would come home and lissa despite her responsibilities including her wonde