As i said earlier, i know my lane. Cam knows his lane. His lane, Doug Williams lane, the fact is his coaches are comfortable with him, his teammates are comfortable with him. Looks we are we are out of time. This was a great conversation, went by fast. Congratulations on it. I enjoyed reading to it and talking to you. I hope that people will go buy it and gains and wisdoms from my experience. Thank you. Cspan where history unfolds daily, in 1979 cspan was created as a Public Service by americas Cable Television company and is brought to you today by satellite and provider. And we wrap up book tv with representative dave, he remembers victory over House Majority leader eric canter and interviewed on after words program. Dave, its greats to to be with you. Thanks for showing it to the cameras. [laughter] i have written a book myself. Very nice. Im eager to talk about this because i enjoyed the read. You can tell i have pages. A plus. As you know i worked in the house of representatives as a staffer to a former economics professor. Awesome. Yeah. We talked about this and here you are, a former free Market Economics professor, i guess still a professor but now in the u. S. House of representatives. I love and all the guys have been role models, you cant put free Market Economics and values together into your politics. Thats why i was sofas sofas nateed in your book. Yeah. The fact is a lot of people came to know you in your surprise victory one of the things about your book tells who dave is, im just wondering if you can talk about this in overview and we will go into details about how theres the synthesis between ethics and economics and politics. Thats primarily why i wrote the book. Conservative ideas go back to regan and the founders, no, its about a 4,000 year tradition and i wish everything was a synthesis these days. You do narrow Little Things where all previous scholarship for the last 3,000, whatever hundred years it was all about synthesis. All the greater thinkers, all the way up to enlightenment thinkers, jefferson, madison, they all took the classics, they took greek, hebrew, latin and math, english. That was the liberal arts education. I taught in liberal arts colleges because i believe so much in that synthesis. I just we wanted to show, folks, i dont know whether i did a great job or not but its still possible, right, it should hang together and the ethics, if your ethics dont match up with the economic logic like carl marks, he couldnt line up economic incentives with ethics and its doomed to failure. Where smith, jefferson, madison, those do line up and mesh but both of them wanted a large number of small competitors. Adam smith, free market ideal and they work. We are not teaching the kids enough of that these days and so i wanted to put out 200 pages, first edition, we will see if i get better over time. [laughter] one of the things that i was struck by with this, the complementary aspect as you put it in sub head here, economic politics are linked and this is page 27, i was intrigued by this. God works sixth day and rested on the seventh. Do not steal the word presumes private property and do not covet. Can you tell a little bit more about why you see our founding as tied an important in the faith. Wasnt thing our founders did not see, they saw clear but you got at it, they could not see a day where the Judeo Christian tradition wasnt taken as a given and we are kind of there right now, thats debatable. Theres all debate of jeffersons wall between church and state. The First Amendment is about that. The separation of church and state and the prez, et cetera, no establishment of a relincoln but free exercise thereof. Its. Interesting, the left, the soul of the American University, i went to princeton seminary. Lets make a deal. You take the schools but you have to teach ethics. Now, the left has not only taken those schools but they said you can no longer teach ethics, theres no natural law taught anymore. You bring up religion in a brown bag you get laughed out of the room. This is for real. Everyone talks about a separation of church and state but its very interesting. Paul ryan when he looks at the he sees moses, that got him a separation, no law. No ten commandants in our secular society, i dont think so. I show compassion and love, showed up about zero. Roam wasnt the most loving society, right. [laughter] cold sterile, brutal, the doctrine of love at zero, do you want a separation of compassion and love from our tradition . To the left, i know what they mean, they dont want religious establishment, but if you do a total separation, human rights claims and human rights emerge only in western europe at about 1400 out of judeo tradition. To those rights we argue and founders madison that they per seed the existence of government. Do you want a separation of that in do rights exist yes or no in i wanted to push the thinking a little bit. We are at part of a tradition which has hard time with First Amendment and toleration. I wanted to push the idea and get a good debate going. Thats part of what was going on. You mentioned the catholic tradition, im catholic, i was struck by later on in the book, a little later in the book how you delve into the works of st. Agus tin and thomas. Yeah. I find that my faith informs pretty much everything i do, how i live my life. Same here. How does your faith, its clear in your book, talk a little bit about how your faith informs your Public Service my dad moved us to minnesota in ninth, thanks, dad. I dropped my girl off at school, starting ninth grade. Went to princeton seminary. Next to American University and there was a great liberal friend of mine who wrote economics and ethics in the same book and so that was the fire, so i knew i wanted to teach philosophy and theology in college. Once i saw the combination of economics and ethics in a book, that was it. I went to work for the army a little bit and worked in philippines on Education Sector stuff and i met my wife and was lucky enough, we both moved down to randolph. Ran the Ethics Program for 18 years. Thats how i live it out. It is my calling, putting those two things together and keeping the conversation going. A lot of this book is old lecture notes. Now, this is not a memoir, obviously a book like we talked about economics, ethics, philosophy. Yeah. But you did touch on what you just mentioned here, meeting laura as you were closing on ph. D. Yeah. Because its not a memoir theres not much detail about that, im sure the viewers would like to know a little more story there. Yeah. How did you meet laura, she and kathy and i consider you both friends. Same here. How did you come to meet her, date her and get married. A mutual friend set up a blind date, it was awkward, hi, how are you doing and started talking and we had values in common, kids, family setup. Really, in dc. I met a normal person. [laughter] i love it up here. We had the same Judeo Christian outlook. Shes catholic and im protestant. Im catholic now so you see who won now. [laughter] married how long . 20 years and jonathan went off to college. Dropped the oldest off at college. Dropped the oldest one. Any tear shed. It hit me way harder. So thats not good but, boy, it hit me when you see empty room every night. Thats not good. Jonathan probably not so much . Right. Hes doing all right. [laughter] except for uva lost to richmond. A lot of people are. [laughter] this is great, i wanted to come back to Something Else that you talk about in the book that, i think, is really telling because you touch on obviously our founding. Yeah. Which is something those of frus va from virginia, the horizontal separation of powers. Hes phenomenal. The vertical as well that the states were to be a check on federal executive Branch Authority and yeah. Absolutely. And can you talk a little bit about what youre seeing both in terms of the horizontal and vertical checks and balances and the problem that creates for us as government. He went to princeton seminary, college in new jersey back then. He studied hebrew. This is smart guy. Hebrew tradition i was at my stump speeches, angels or a little bit fallen three chapters. If thats the tradition that informs your thinking and youre the author of the constitution, what do you do, you separate power every way you can. Vertically and horizontally, the vertical separation federal, state, local, theres 18 enumerated powers and the founders knew that and we violated that beyond comprehension. Mike has a picture in his office where in 2013 the house did 5inches of bills and the executive branch did 11 feet. You get the sense, we are upside down. We are. We know about executive overreach for the last several years every day and we have to push things back. The easiest way to see the direct bottom line and the data, the federal programs are the ones insolvent by their own board of trustees within 14 years and everything the fed touches, in ten years all federal revenues will two to just those entitlement programs. We wont have a dollar left for the military, education, transportation, et cetera, thats not me. Thats the best data up here. Its the main graph, evidence. We are not antigovernment. If you want flowers at the local level, vote on it. Go buy flowers, right, if you want a wellrun state with good transportation, good education, by the way, education is in the constitution of the state. An excellent education. Its in the we have to do that. We should do that, but the fed, i got pants on fire. We did, i dont know how they founded to be false, go check again, you guys. We debate it. At the lookal school and federal level. You have mention of checks and balances, you make an interesting point. Even if some of the implications a few conservatives may not like and i thought that was an interesting point and that was the case. Thats right. If the people vote, right, the key is we are supposed to be a democratic republic. That doesnt mean you get to win every debate. That means you have a fair process in a democratic republic, if the folks vote for more flowers and your a fiscal hawk, you lose. You move with your feet and these kinds of things. You can move and you want a large number of options. I mentioned this, dave, from time to time to folks specially young people, the federal government is the creation of the states. Yeah. It is remarkable to me how few people realize that. Right. And i thought your point about the federalist checks and balances gets overlooked a lot of the times because we are concerned about the trampling of the separation of powers between the legislative and judicial branches and the executive branch abuse there. Its powerfully evident when it comes to overriding the prerogatives of the states. We so so many cases in this regard obviously for virginia we know how important it is to clean power plant and epa overviews and it would be devastating in southwest virginia. Right. 23 states have said no and unfortunately we are not among them but i sure hope that the legislative branch at the federal level upholds the state prerogatives when it comes to the overreach and puts a stop to that. It is important to know how this has come about. Some people think its the executive doing a power graph. In some respects its our own fault too in congress. Roe v. Wade. This guy over here. Now we are doing the same thing with executive. We vote on clean air, clean power and we tell executive branch and youve given in law federal government tremendous power. Yeah. Now the farmer like you say and the ranchers in virginia and everybody is learning what that looks like and theyre having a hard time staying afloat. We need to retain article one, Congress Shall make all laws, right . And this fear you talk about in casting the tough votes, is that one of the reasons that youre a strong proponent of strong limits and are you termlimiting yourself. You are. 12 years. A couple of authors had the number and if you have your eye and become leadership, et cetera, theres a lot of great guys and seniority goes with that. This day the money is so dominant. We had president ial on the republican side and dems side, 80 outside votes go to president ial candidates. The American People put all the incumbents again in congress, roughly. Amazing power of the, you know, purse of winning elections and on top of the money part, people are lining themselves up to be a chairman of the committee. People want to do that. If you work in lock step in order to get the slot, you can start looking, both sides do this. If youre not doing whats best for the country all of the time. To me its consistent with the founders, speaking of the founders with citizen part time. Right. As you know, i ran for the senate and got closed and that i would serve no more than two terms because i think its important that be the mind set and mentality. Speaking of the founders, do you have a separate founder and who sit and why . Probably madison just because of seminary and i love the constitution that kind of thing. But washington is interesting to me because he just stands out. Theres all the other guys in jefferson and virginia, big and we are blessed with just history in virginia but washington just for the more i read on them, hes the one guy that everybody likes. He walked into a room and hes the man. Yeah. Everybody revered him. They just differ automatically so the problem with books you dont quite get to see them live, you get to see whats the look on the guys face. Yeah. Who is this guy that all the great men who have ego turn to him. This is it. Yeah, yeah. That would thats might be. Iliff on one of his old farms. Amazing. I tell you i was over on a business trip in london recently and i was talking to a british historian, and i mentioned to him and we were talking about the founding, many of us including me believe that theres divine inspiration and divine provinence and he said its possible that the British Empire could have defeated george washington, but george washington, thomas jefferson, the whole bloody lot of them, no way. [laughter] right, right, thats true. Really remarkable. You talk in here about underpinning of the moral case for Free Enterprise, which i think is missing often. It is. From conservative comement air and the republican side. I believe like you do that, Free Enterprise system is the greatest supplier of human needs and economic justice. You make that point, i thought really impressively in the book. Page 198, freedom and earnings, i dont know if the camera can pick it up. The next show it is 10 of earners to the most free market, poor, fair, better under capitalism. Always. Always. History, data show it. So those dont have the book, go out and buy it. This chart is definitive proof of that and, you know, one of the things we also talked about here and mentioned work, we understand that theres not just economic value and labor as ph. D as you know thats the case, theres Human Dignity in work. Absolutely. A market economy that has Dynamic Growth allows for people to know the dignity of work. Right. This data, why dont more people understand it and where is this kind of enamored by socialism. Yeah. Coming from . Well, unfortunately the political divide, right, i grew up with liberals and liberals, the root word of liberals is liberty and smith is a Classical Liberal and so is madison and the lines have gotten confused. Its not just incomes. I ran thousands of regressions on all the indicators. Ges where you have the cleanest environment . Capitalist companies. Guess where you the most political rights, civil liberties, this. You talk about the dignity of work, one of my favorite scholars, the sixvolume set, shes chicago trained but i think shes double ph. D or triple, maybe. Every person on the planet made a thousand dollars a year per capita income. In 1700 you get a hockey stick. Massive Economic Growth. She takes on 20 nobel lorreates. First time in history moral language changed such that we started calling the businessman, a businesswoman morally good and if you think that through, my tradition hasnt been perfect on that. Abraham, moses, jesus, gandhi, anybody, any tradition, agustin, mohamed, et cetera, no where in that line you find someone saying capitalism or free markets is morally good, its something you put up with but we change thelingo and the problematic thing is that its reversible. Right now you have, what are we teaching our kids in school k12, are we teaching that its morally good or hey, its kind of corrupt. Business wall street is nasty and unfortunately there are a few bad apples but the prodominance of evil are basically good. Every Small Business person wants to give their employees health care. When i knock thousands of doors, thats one thing i learned. I learned real economics. People are basically very good an want to help employees. We have to reverse that moral language and teach the kids that work its not just work, its not a skill, its a calling. Right. You better be happy and passionate about what you do every waking hour of your life, right, or otherwise youre going to have a miserable life. We have to pump the kids up and show them. This is good for you and by the way, its good politics too because youre telling the kids the truth and youre pumping them up on business and the left is a little critical specially in business and i think we have a winning theme there. Talking about young people, obviously College Professor and you enjoyed it clear from the book, you love being a teacher. Not just a professor, would you encourage today your students or students to get involved in politics. Yeah, i do, but in there i kind of sit my sigh dolls, playdo, they both gave same council. Do math till your 30 and philosophy until your 50 and politics at 50 when youre near death. That was in ancient greece and so youre done with wine, women and song and instill wisdom in yourself and take care of appetites with playdo and make sure youre done with that deal. Come do internships on capitol hill. You learn. Go into a vocation first and i thought you were going to ask about going into the teaching too. Always major in your passion. I was adviser too for 18 years. Make sure you do what you love but minor in accounting. Minor in science or accounting or web design or something where you can make a dollar in case, right, and so follow your passion and that usually was good counsel, im glad i did that, i needed a backup plan. Its great advice. I talk to young people too. I know a lot of successful people from kind of an external evaluation of success. Right. Who are not happy. Yeah. I dont know any happy people who are not successful. Right. Do what makes you happy and youll be successful at it but if your goal is the success part, you may find yourself not very happy doing what youre doing. Absolutely. The incentives from the video generation, its too much on the glitter. Yeah. But the kids are doing better, they are liking their parents more. Theres some good signs. Obviously one thing that came up a lot of them and we talked about the economy and a loss generation in terms of what theyve dealt with in the economy and you make an interesting point, the economic deadend, chapter 12. Im going to hit a couple of things and the first you note, even as those keeping track of nothing but the dow jones numbers and the slight uptick in jobs numbers tell themselves that everything is back to normal and just fine, among most citizens theres uneasiness that hints at ongoing deeper problems. Yeah. And then you, a few pages later you said chapter called invisible recovery. Calling the economic problems, decades without increasing regulation, without with increasing regulation, without growing government a Great Recession is actually dangerously optimistic calling it a Great Recession is dangerously optimistic. Misdiagnosis as a downturn implying that all we need to do to get out of it is wait. Thats bad news. Right. So a couple of things, one weve been told that this kind of flat recovery is the new normal. Yeah. We have to accept Economic Growth rates between 1 and 2 . Right. Your point is that, you know, this is because some of the fundamentals of our, fundamental drivers of our economy are broken but you took off for the viewers some of the fundamentals that we need to get right again. The biggest one i just said is the passion for business in america. People feel beat down and they get the education back and entrepreneurial spirit, you know, the protestant work ethic, catholic tradition is the same thing, vocation, you have to get that back, the positive thinking and secondly the regulatory overhang is just tremendous. I think its 2 trillion out of 18 trilliondollar economy and you talk to any Small Business person beginning with obamacare, you can disagree on the health care and that kind of things, the results are in and the premiums are going up, just being fair, 15 to 20 , deductibles are 2 to 5,000 for the poor and all the economic studies show the average family has about 400 an hand. You put that together. The average family knows i cant deal with another down tush. They are growing at 1 and thats with the deficit this year, 550 billion. Yeah. The fed has 4 trillion on its balance sheet, not money but its no the bank volts and can become money if any loans ever go out. Thats hugely you guys, come on, if you raise the Interest Rates 2 , what would happen to the economy . It would crash. Markets were getting jittery. Sugar high. Sugar high. You know, the classic solo Economic Growth model, nobel prize winner. Capital, not Financial Capital but machinery. Who is willing to put millions and millions of millions into a fiscal capital base, a plant with a bet youre going to make on the window. Nobody. Right. A dampening effect. You dont know whats going to come your way. Indicators any investors ability to mick a bet like you said. If youre not making the positive bet, if everybody is looking across the sea, thats not the entrepreneurial spirit we need. Yeah. Let me talk a little bit about something in terms of these the economics as well. You make a point in here on page 49 and you made it throughout the book. Washington should not be in the the business of picking winners and losers of the economy in the private sector. Best way to allow innovators to thrive based on merit and consumer demand for products an services not on the powerful friends they have in washington. I have talked about how this president , president obama has moved an economy where its based on the premise that what you know is more important than who you know and who you know is more porn than what you know and the fact is what we are seeing is the decisions of a hundred million americans in the private marketplace, healthcare choices as you just talked about, energy decisions, internet, you know, you name it, are being supplanted by the decisions of a hundred political points by the city and that has a dampening effect, i think, i call it the influence economy but youre right about this, the distortion of the incentives and people being rewarded more for, you know, getting the better targeted tax credit than they are for building a mouse trap. Talk a little bit about talk about this in this book. Thats what you see. American people have figured it out. The new media for good or bad its brought up by language, i havent gone to seminary. The educational upside is huge. People are figuring whats going on right now and so on the republican side you have 80 of voters going for outside candidate, trump, rubio, on the left bernie is getting 50 unheard of. People have seen the small guys are leaving left behind in the dust and if you dont have a lawyer, lobbyist, et cetera, access to dc, the biggies do, they can get through the regulatory tape. They dont like it. Yeah. Back in the 50s, General Motors, General Motors goes and so does the nation go. All of ceos, etna, et cetera, the ceo, i dont know him. 11 out of 15 exchanges and has to say complementary things about the exchanges so that shows you, somebody is scared of the froth. When youre losing two hundred million and a quarter, yeah, but the exchanges are okay, wholly molly, the pressure on the biggies, even, you can imagine what the small underguy is guy is under going. 200,000. Yeah. And so its hitting them hard. That was it. Draining ditch. The free market piece is the hardest thing to teach. You have to trust the price system. Thats what our country is built on that we allow prices to dictate. Like if you go to walmart, how do they know to put ten loafs of bread . Every time they scan one, thats what was purchased and that information goes shooting off of the plyer and they say make ten more loafs of bread and diapers and whatever. Thats amazing, no central planner knows that. The day you start picking winners and losers like smart guys here, its not a little error, its catastrophic and thats the main reason why i wanted to run for office, try to convey the logic. And you touch on this in the beginning. The private sector business folks subject to interruption, no doubt thats true. People commit crimes all of the time. Yeah. And yet theres this notion that that person in that position in a Government Entity is immune from any of this. Its the view of the left ive always felt that the profit motive is evil. Right. And the political motive is inherently good. I know. Thats the mind set. Right. But you talk about that in this book and expose the policy of that which, i think, was healthy. Yeah. That goes back, the last thick you want is a concentration of power anywhere. So when you have a 4 trilliondollar budget out of 18 trilliondollar economy, thats a concentration of power and the executive branch has disproportionate control over the 4 trilliondollar budget so right now we are going through the budget thing and i wish we were in regular order because that would mean the budget would go from committee to the floor for a vote by the peoples representatives, the budget process is such a mess, five or six people are going to determine the budget of the United States in the next month. Yeah. I tried to call out the red flags on that and tell people to go to cbo and educate on all budget numbers because its a big deal. Huge deal. Yeah. Another thing that you talk about in terms of the Budget Committee that i thought was interesting in the book, you talk more about the debt yeah. And the deficit in a few pages in the book then we would hear in the nightly news over the course of the month. Its amazing. Not only the economic aspect of it but the moral aspect of it as well. I remember in past debates and discussions about, you know, the future of the country, huge debate over when i worked on the hill, we got to a balance budget for the first time in 40 years and it seems to have fallen off the radar somehow and the debt has doubled and doesnt get much attention. Why is that . Well, i think its both sides get overcommitted, right . So you have a bunch of good wills. So everything is good, right . You want more education, more roads, most missiles, more this, more everything. But as i said before, the debt is 19 trillion, the unfunded liability, the promises to pay on medicare, medicaid, Social Security are a hundred trillion. Yeah. In ten years all revenues are going to be used only for mandatory spending. Not a dollar for military and this kind of thing. Where is the ethics in this . Everybody that is lobbying on behalf of all the goods, forgetting one group of people called the kids. The kids when medicaid and medicare and Social Security are insolvent in 14 years, they are going get cut, the kids will get way more than 20 clip. Thats the ethics. I taught those kids. Thats one of the reasons why i went to this. Im going to go to the hill. I go to the press, one of the few that tief in the middle of the press and i get tortured because of it and its my calling and i want to do that and i go out every day and here comes brad, again, we know what hes going to say. But it is a moral calling to show what is going to happen in law to change those and i get constituents, what have you done, dave, you havent done anything. Hey, im one guy. Im out there doing everything i can. Im messaging and writing on it, balance budgets and its a heavy lift. Im talking with democrats, one of the biggest policies that theres war between the right and the left personally. We all get along up here. We work out in the weight room. We get along. I debate my good catholic friends in the morning and we debate religion, economics, policy, everything. These guys are the democrats, theyre friendly good people, right, they didnt get to that level by doing jabs and putting people down. We all get along great. The press makes a big rightwing, leftwing divide. Its not true. The true power in the city is right in the middle. Whoever is guiding that 4 trillion. Thats not being led by the right and the left. Go do quick scan and youll see who is in controlling 4 trillion. Ive always felt that the media tends to, they really stall the virtues and everybody plays a role in the process but they tend to diminish importance of those frankly on the left who are making the intellectual argument for either side and, you know, i used to say you cant split the difference until you define it first. Its the different splitters that get all the glory to a certain extent and those defining playing a very Important Role are marginalized or in some cases demonized. I appreciate. You take a little thump. Theres a few keywords that you have to govern, compromise and unify. I talked to fifth grade class all of the time and you have 550 billion deficit, kids, should we increase the number or decrease it . When fifth graders get it, im willing to compromise with everybody but it has to be in the same direction, if you have 1 Economic Growth im willing to compromise unless 1 goes up and any policy that will increase Economic Growth, youll find me at the table. Thats one of the things we increase Economic Growth with debt and deficit, you know, that would do more than anything to bring down the debt and reduce deficits, Economic Growth and absolutely. Theres this false sense of security because relatively low unemployment rates. I know important economic indicater any economist would say and theres a lot underneath that. How can that be . That contributes to low unemployment rate. Yeah. We have a lot of part time employees. We have been trading out, you know, highpaying jobs for lowpaying jobs. As we talked about, theres Human Dignity and work all work and we should value that but thats one of the reason that is the revenues are down and so, you know, people are going to say, we are going to have to raise taxes to close that gap. Thats the wrong approach. We dont need more working virginiaians paying higher taxes, we need more virginians working and thats the same thing in the federal level. Unemployment rate is down, the administration is touting that. Fundamentals to your point is not sound. The evidence that racial tensions are at alltime highs. You dont get that when the economy is coming along. You get that at 1 growth and feel people your competing against each other for jobs. We should never have the feeling in this country. You dont see people getting on each others case. The lowgrowth economy is causing that and we havent educated the people when you talk about the Labor Force Participation rate. Thats right on the money and then our kids are competing against the rest of the world, chinese, indians, what good student, the chinese are working hard, indian students, i have indian friends here phenomenal work ethic, we are competing globally. You cannot make decisions in isolation here for the u. S. And Common Wealth of virginia to hey, lets do minimum wage of 15 bucks. Competitors across ocean are laughing at as, really. You dont have productivity but youre going to raise the wage raise. They are getting a chuckle out of it and we have to put productivity levels up and people probably know the wage rate is the same thing as productivity. Are they still tracking wages and productivity. Over the long run, thats what we have to focus on. The point you made, by the way, mention to you that identify been reading in addition to this book yeah. He had a hes in the National Review that was talking very much about what you talked about in terms of Race Relations in the u. S. And the economic dieb dynamic. Yeah. If you get a chance thats a great book. Right. Yeah. Let me talk about a couple of other things here while we have some time and the bookwriting process. This is a very thoughtful book. I enjoyed reading it and if you bet my College Roommates years ago that i would read the a book, you would get no takers. [laughter] i found the process to be therapeutic in some ways and enjoyable. Now, i had to kind of, carve out sometime like weekend or something because i would have to get in the rhythm and some people get up at 5 00 a. M. Right before they work out or a member of the house as someone who prides himself when youre home always having meeting with constituents, town hall meetings, obviously a family man as well, how did you find the time, what do we have 205 pages. No. A lot of it was written. I had a philosophical reader. If youre sleepy at night, goo google that one. What is knowledge today. That was some heavy hit. What is knowledge and how do you know what you know and weve had a 2,000 year search for that. No one found it. Logical positive broke that thing wide open and some of the worldclass philosophers and nothing has replaced it and so the left is is kind of what got me to put some of the ideas together. The left doesnt have a coherent philosophy they can name right now and i get all sorts of hot water for saying that. I dont own it, i want to give it to you for free. That crackup in knowledge, when you can want define, we dont have any systematic right now, internationally and nationally, et cetera, after kind of Martin Luther thing gandhi, theres very little systematic thinking and i wrote a book on that and i had economic notes for my lectures over the years, then i had a few books, brief history of ethics, people that have read that. We will see a lot of that embedded in this book, niel ferguson, historian on the sixth killer apps that made western unique, theyll find a lot of that in there and ii had a good friend that helped me write. Im not jefferson. I have all the big ideas and he helped me whip it together. Theres thing you look back and say, i forgot to put that in there. The hardest part you have a ton of knowledge and you want to pump it in there into two hundred pages. [laughter] thats the way i did it. Im not a 5 00 a. M. And get up and write a few pages, you can start cranking stuff and get out the computer and carve it together. Thats great. I wanted to go back to one more thing in terms of teaching, you had mentioned in here, i dont think by name, but at the i think it was in your graduate school, three teachers who were mentors that really had an impact with you. Can you share what those are and how they had impact. Hope college in holand, michigan. I wont name them in philosophy and my preacher in Dutch Reform Church was a scott itch reform presbyterian preacher. But he had carl barton and coming and going, great systematic thinkers in our tradition and he could preach and had me over as college kid and when you were in college you had act altogether. I saw what a Christian Concern looked like and i said, hey, not only do am i thankful for this. I always aim to be a professor based on these three and i had plenty more i i had a guy up there, he went to church with me and the economic, the minister to bill clinton, so im bipartisan. Im friends with both sides of the aisle and i had mentors to get the other guy, working on Economic Development in the third world. Woman boss from the philippines in singapore. Great people along the lines and helps you grow and so i want to pass it on. Thats why i wanted to teach and at tend of the day, congress, hey, im done teaching. 20 years of talking, now its time lets do it, lets put this in action and i gave it a run. So what is a typical day like now. Youre coming back in and starting again tonight on the day that we are having this conversation and then, you know, whats it like for folks that are cspan viewers probably know this but you get up tomorrow and do what. Yeah, we its weird because its president ial year. We had a month at home which was abnormal and the normal up three days in a row in dc and get up early and go to the gym, democrats, republicans, we all get along and have add good time and watch the news and you start going to Budget Committee meetings, we got kicking off tomorrow and voting throughout the day an meeting with constituents and getting your head up on whats coming at us in terms of major bills and three weeks of that and you go home for one week and do the politics and run for office again to meet with constituents down in your district where i have ten counties and i promised to be in every county once a month and i wasnt Clear Thinking when i made that, its been great. We just had lines change in virginia and your license lines changed somewhat . Yeah. A district that you were used to and lose constituents and voters. Right. Gain constituents an voters, that must be a little bit of its okay. Its just politics. I still dont even know how it happened. Its kind of a blur and so i lost where i taught my students for 18 years and dispersed through the region. You almost wonder if somebody designed it, intentional and lost new great friends. I picked up a million and i was there this past weekend twice running through those counties. Great people and its fun. You get to meet new people. Boy, its hard work. Getting into new counties, getting to meet new people and introduce yourself and sharing ideas when youre new, people are skeptical of politicians. I think our approval is 12 or something. You have to say, here is what i believe, here is the proof, you have to give proof now. Here is the way i vote and here is the proof of what im saying. And you do talk about and its clear obviously in the book. [laughter] you know, what you believe, its interesting because ive seen you on the yeah. You say the same thing back home as you say here and anywhere else and my sense is and i think we see it, people are very receptive to that and the conversation and they are hungry for it. Is that dont you feel it goes back to the guys you talked about, the contract with america, thats why i ran on the republican creed of virginia. Its an american creed. Its not really republican. Equal treatment for every citizen under the law. Right. You say that to anyone. They like that. Greatest provider of human needs and economic justice. Right. They are just, the problem is not enough people hold themselves to those promises when they are up here. They say free markets but vote for everything thats not free market. Right. I tried to do that and i get in all sorts of trouble, you can predict my vote, you follow adam smith and madison and you can predict every one of my votes and go check it out and see if im fudging or not. Here is something really important to try to get you pressed on, on november 12th randolph [laughter] go jackets. We have a great relationship. Its a lovehate thing but its fun. Three captains said are you congressman brown, they said, good job. We all like each other. They are a free market. Theyll be Happy Hunting Grounds for you. [laughter] theyre all good folks. Well, thats great, dave, thanks. Yeah. Enjoy reading the book and encourage others to do it and thanks for taking the time to write it. Good interview. I cant believe you took notes and went beyond. I highlighted and everything, yellow highlighted. Super, super job. Thank you, its been fun working with you over the last couple of years. Same here. Thank you. You bet. The newly elected 115th Congress Gavels on on tuesday january 3rd, we will bring you in swearing ceremonies. 7 00 a. M. Eastern on cspan, cspan. Org and on the cspan radio app. Cspan where history unfolds daily. 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