America as his running made and said black people are lazy. But youre going to vote for him because hillary has some emails . I thought that was a great emails i just cant even believe that were talking about this. Makes me crazy. That was on email from mel. From studio underwritten in part by sputnik radio, this is the thom hartman program. Welcome bathroom. On the line if minikennedy, the activist, writer, supporter of gordon siegelman, star of the series mom. You can tweet her at mimi kennedy. Welcome back to program. Caller thank you, tom. Great to hear you voice. Were also on cspan today so an elarger than normal audience. My second favorite network. Im on mom. Host of course. You have to like your own network. Anyhow, one out of four american votes are at risk of having their votes stolen or flipped on election day. Tell me about this. Caller well, this is the vote counting program. You know what i really want to say right up, youre always saying it, too, thom. This call about voter fraud election rigging because theres so much voter fraud, is completely ridiculous and wrong and ignorant. If you think about it, for two seconds, voter fraud, impersonating a voter at the polls and thereby throwing an entire election . I dont think so. So this whole voter intimidation of people of color at the polls is criminal. Has at the be stopped. Anytime you hear voter fraud, you should know that is what its about. Voter intimidation of certain kinds of voters. And Election Fraud is what im talking about. Which is done by insiders with the capacity to, like, White Collar Crime that steals billions on the stock market or the bank, instead of from a 7eleven holding them up. That kind of large massive fraud is Election Fraud. Okay. A lot of host so, youve got talk about Election Fraud, you have a new movie or documentary over at black box voting. Org, spiteled fraction magic. Its available on youtube. And you guys discovered that the vote counting machines are counting instead of counting my vote as one vote, and kennys vote is a second vote, its actually counting my vote as 100 votes or 1. 00, and ben is 1. 00, and kenny has 1. 00, and so it could reduce my vote to. 73 if it wanted to. Caller if it wanted to. And when we say machines were actually talking about tabulators. Not necessarily the machines that you stan there and cast your vote on, which are trouble, as we know, but were talking about the central tabulator that the Election Officials use to count up all the votes, be they digital or optic scanned paper ballots. There is the possibility, if you have five or six seconds access to that tabulator, and you prepared a Little Program on your usb before hand, that you can imply percentages you want to certain races and those races will come out exactly as you have asked them to come out, which is why preelection polling is constant these days. Theres little bit more that i think we could save since electronic voting came in. I remember some of the talk when i was younger. It is a key component of needing to know what kind of percentages you might want to manipulate an election by. Im just saying that this capacity exists in all the tabulating software. And that is that between 80 some 90 of our votes. Not everybody is using it. You can also use software to rob anything, to bride, intrude, hack, but we also use software for what we want. We need verification. Host you go. Theres a fascinating back story to this that you told us about last night on our tv show, that the guy who wrote the program tell me who this guy was. Caller the guy is this this is about 1999, black box voting will have the history accurately. But jeffrey dean was a guy who was in prison because he was a code writer and he wrote code for an Accounting Firm he worked for, and he used his own code to steal billions from embezzle from the Accounting Firm. So he is in jail, and meets a man there who was into drug running of in sort, and they went, we can start a Voting Machine Company that and so jeffrey dean wrote the code for global election management systems, gem. Those tabulators went to diebolt and migrated to the same software, and to dominion and sequoia. So, he put, jeffrey dean, an Accounting Program in the counting of the vote. What does this it doesnt wrong there. 100cents on the dollar is for when youre doing money. 1. 31. But 1. 31 votes . Doesnt belong there but it allows you to apply percentages with a great degree of precision, and in the code write ores investigation and discovery of theft of Court Documents they got legally, they saw fractionalized votes. Then benny who knows accounting software, goes, what is the fraction doing there . And he went looking for, does this counting program have the ability to turn votes into fractions . Well, it did, and it does. And it is in all our votecounting conditions. Host could say that everybody in this particular voting district that votes largely, lets say, democratic, their votes are actually countedded a. 6 of a vote or. 7 of a vote. Caller you can weight the voters and weight the races. What you see in the fraction magic videoes going in with your thumb drive of percentages and in, like, six minutes, changing a the races and, guess what, you leave certain precincts alone because theyre going to be audited, like in fresno, county, theyre choosing the audit precincts in august, for november. So, host so they know in at vans where to mess with and where not to. Caller yes. If youre going to do this you know that. Can certainly choose your precincts. Host now, were talking with mimi kennedy, activist and has a new documentary out and its over its called fraction magic. And greg palace want the program last week and pointed out that in his opinion, a large part of the red shift, which have seen since 1998, in 2000 in a big way, where the exit polls show that, for example, al gore won florida, for example, but the votes, the actual count shows he didnt. That the reason for the stretch si is that tens of thousands of voters had been thrown off the voting rolls and showed up and given provisitational ballots and thought they voted but their vote never got town and that is the red shift. Are you suggesting these states that seem like theyre blue in the polling but suddenly come out red when the election happens, 30 republicans states attorneys general are aggressively got this list of seven Million People with common last names theyre throwing off the voting rolls, predominantly minorities. Are you suggesting this is another reason for the red shift . Caller yes. I agree with greg, that is obvious, and what we can see. They purged voters mostly of color. Gregs movie, explains that. I am saying that if youre interested in doing Election Fraud, and we have that is a large undertaking. Not voter fraud, like, ive got a license that somebody else and im going to vote, haha, voter fraud. Barely exists. Leaks fraud is like a war and you need to pass the smell test so you dont get caught, and you need to reduce the voters you dont want and say, they didnt come out to vote. Your voters didnt show up. And that is purge lists and now voter intimidation. Its horrible. Thats what we can see. I am also suggesting that this program is something you cant see and sometimes its used and ballot images i want to put that word out there is a dilution and you will find that on black box voting. Citizen activists are going to solve this and hope the doj will get involved but nobody wants to talk about election rigging but its Election Fraud and not voter fraud and can be stopped. Host got it. Youre brilliant. Thank you. This is the Thom Hartmann. Well be back with more after this. Welcome back. 17 minutes past the hour. Diane from waco, texas. Whats on your mind . Caller thom . Host youre on the air. Caller oh, okay. I was just calling, i have a concern for the voters out there that its kind of upset about this spike in the obamacare and the republicans are just jumping on it, and acting like its not working and stuff. But you know, i know that was all a scheme from the beginning from the republicans to not make obamacare work and thats not right. The democrats and republicans and independents out there, we shouldnt be so concerned about this because we can fix that. We can fix the Healthcare System but what we cannot fix, cannot afford to try to fix is donald trump. Donald trump just wants to probably ruin america, and now seeing that his wife is on another channel saying she is trying to help the children but when have the republicans or donald trump ever been concerned about kids or anybody else. Thats what im saying. Why now are the so concerned . Hillary dedicated her life to helping children and families. And now everybody wants to say, clintons are corrupt and stuff but theres proof that donald trump is even corrupt himself. I dont know she is correct. We need to focus on getting about off the table and quit worrying about the health care system. We have men on the moon and technology and everything, think we can Work Together and fix the Healthcare System where everybody can afford it. Host you would think. Especially since countries like costa rica has a Healthcare System that works for everybody. If a small country can do that, we can do that. And of course, big country does it, france, germany. Basically all of europe. Have you seen the new Michael Moore movie trumpland . Caller i havent seen it but heard about it. Host its on hulu. It is amazing gets a whole bunch goes to juan of the most conservative counties the ohio and invites Trump Supporters and then has this hourlong conversation with them about donald trump and Hillary Clinton, and you will laugh so hard and you will have tears in your eyes and it is absolutely brilliant. And he makes an affirmative case for Hillary Clinton. And knocks down this stupid idea its like, were voting for the lesser of two evils. What is the evil . Caller yeah. Host so do. Caller then they spinning all this spending all this taxpayer money investigating the clintons to years and decades and could have invested this money inmer e america. What did they find . Bill had an affair. Name three. S who didnt. I can name one. Jimmy carter. As far as i know, probably the only one. Caller thank you so much host and probably obama never had an affair. Caller yeah, probably. So but we they need to quit focusing on the things below Hillary Clinton because i have nieces and nephews i, saying i dont want to vote for her because i cant trust her. What is there not to trust . How can you trust donald trump and the republican . Look at the cries they caused in 2008. Dont get it with people. People need to investigate and do their homework. Host well, our News Business is not the News Business anymore. Its the infotainment system, and they want a horse race, and because you get more eyeballs and make more money on advertising and theyre going to prop up trump so it gets 5050 and get e get more money. [inaudible] you can earn extra money thanks to uber. The ultimate side hustle. Earn extra cash. Not just another j. O. B. A totally flexible way to earn. A few spare hours here and there, drive an uberand youre your own boss. Id do it. Every day is payday when you drive with uber bass you can cash out anytime with instant pay. 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Host youre absolutely right and that is don, you are brilliant. I dont know why i didnt think of that but youre right. Caller nobody is talking about it. Host thats a huge hole in this oh, Just Health Insurance across state lines. Youre right. Go to the hospital or the doctor in new york city or in san francisco, its going to cost a hell of a lot more if you do it in rural, louisiana. Its just a fact of life. And caller i just have been waiting for people to talk about this. I dont know how much time ive got but one other thing. The health care problem. The cancer industry is a huge expense, and it is never going to change because theres too much money in it. I dont know i suggest you get a book called tripping over the truth the return of the cancer a hopeful path to a cure by travis kristoferson, and it us an earntive theory to the treatment of cancer, which treats 98 of all cancers. The nih, the nci, knows about this treatment approach, they saw video, the research was done at john hopkins university, and it came out in 2001, a brilliant researchers named young hi koh from the university of maryland host don, were wandering but made your point and got the book title and author. Thank you for the call. Al, in minneapolis. Whats up . Caller thom, thank you for taking my call. A couple of quick things about Health Savings accounts. The nonexistent trump medical plan has one specific, they always talk about Health Savings accounts as though theres something our instinct creative and brand new. Theyve been around forever. I used to do my granddaughters taxes years ago and she had a Health Savings account. When i just look at the 2015 tax instructions for 1040, there are five different pages devoted to health civilization account. Whats the new big deal . Host right. Theres not a new big deal. Think theyre capped at five grand or ten grand. Maybe they want to remove the cap and put 50,000 of your income, because these people who are thinking about this stuff, are affluent people. Thats who theyre talking to, and somehow theyre getting average working people or people who are really struggling to think, oh, gee, that must be the solution. It blows my mind. Thank you for the call. Sharlene in gilbert, arizona. Caller hey. Ate in aetna Health Insurance on monday announced theyre going into a new program with one of our Hospital Systems here in the phoenix area called banner health, and theyre creating a jointly owned health plan company, and theyre going to offer the coverage to employers and their employees in maricopa and pinel county. Isnt that interesting . Host im not sure i understand the significance of it. Caller well, host why should i care . Caller well, its just an Insurance Company trying to find another way to control peoples healthcare. And theyre engaging in this with one of the two Major Hospital providers in the phoenix area. Host right. Caller and the medicare mergers are they want to go through are united and anthem and then uhummanna and aetna. These are clear violations of a the sherman antitrust act and its the other bill, laws that have followed on its heals. Thank you for that. Host its 28 minutes past the hour. ll be back with more of your calls. After this. [inaudible conversation] [inaudible conversations] Thom Hartmann reading today from screwed the undeclared war on the middle class. [inaudible conversations]. In the last month or so ive been getting all these calls from people who say, i love your program. Ive been watching it for years. Im with you. I used to be a big Bernie Sanders supporter and just a word about Hillary Clinton. Shes just so untrustworthy. They just, i call them concerned trolls. The first time this happened i thought this just doesnt sound right. The database, the guy called me three times before over the last couple months and every single time he was a republican. So now we are able to figure out the guys who are trying to poke us, which is fast eddie. I think some of these folks get paid because whats happening, happening six, a times a day. Chris sometimes catches it and it doesnt make it as far as me but when it does i have fun with them on the air. Interesting, the wonders of technology. If you call into a talk show, whether ours or any other, a couple things remember. Number one, theres always the time, if solicits a dirty word, you can push a button and dump it. We listening to your phone rather than you ready or your tv because number one. Number two, try to start with the biggest first and then offer your supporting information. A lot of folks, i think its a common impulse on our part is to try to build up to the big crescendo. Give a bunch of information to the point where the penny drops and people go now i di get it. The problem is that when you call in and you have a minute or two, thats the nature of the beast, so start off with the biggest point, then offer the explanation of why. Thats what happened to the woman who called from earlier. I think her name was dorothy and wouldve loved effort which had to say but the break comes and you cant stop the break. Once it starts. Had she started with her biggest point it wouldve gotten made and then she could have filled in the ancillary information with the rest of the story. To give credibility and make it interesting. For what its worth. And we have a website, tom wargo. Com. We also, louise is why wife and my business partner, weve been married 43 years. She started this project called