Against technology. That was actually we had this conversation a little bit about some of the limits of kind of online activism or some people say hash tag activism. This ability of just masses of people to bring attention to these issues, right, and we talked about how that kind of bubbled up during the whole Malaysian Airlines hysteria where, you know, we all of a sudden started paying attention to these 200 kidnapped girls. The other analog is joseph coney, coney 2012. One of the most Massive Campaign we have seen in terms of online activism and it was all these eyes now focused on the whole premise was lets make coney famous and that will lead to some sort of capture, but still, as you say, coney is still out there, we havent found most of these girls. So there are , as we said, limis to what technology can be, especially if you have people trying to evade. It goes back to the basic human connections. The 200 girls in nigeria will probably be found because someone informs on them and tells the authorities where the girls actually are and someone decides to do something about it. Its like osama bin laden, too. For years and years the most hunted guy in the world but its through human connections and people speaking face to face there was a technology angle, too. Didnt they track someones cell phone, too . It was finding the kouror, but once they had the courier its about actually speaking to people and not texting them. Yes, yes. This gentleman here i think has a question. A short anecdote before my question. I went camping in the desert one summer and i went to the bathroom during the night. I got completely lost. You learn about yourself when you get lost. So i learned a lot about myself. And you havent been to the bathroom since. Yeah, yeah. I should have brought my phone. Im alive still. A question between nature and urban getting lost. Do you have a different mindset, philosophy when you get lost in nature and lost in a city . When i set out to do the getting lost series, i didnt want to die. My wife would have been upset. My editor would have been upset. I wouldnt have been able to file the story. They wouldnt have had to pay expenses but its easy to get lost in the wilderness. Its very easy. I didnt want to go the easy route. I wanted to get lost in places where it was sort of technically hard to do that. Part of that was i went the hardest place to get lost for me was a place that i had already been before. I tried to get lost in paris once. I have been there a half dozen times for various extended trips. To try to get lost in a place you know really well, that you have walked across again and again and again. Harder to do. I wouldnt recommend getting lost in the desert or the woods because i dont want any of you to die or get eaten by bears. Yeah. But you come back with some great anecdotes which would be good. Unless you die or get eaten. When it comes to getting lost in the wilderness theres really two parts. The first is not knowing where you are, and the second part is thinking you know where you are, and theres a fascinating part of search and rescue called lost person behavior, and people can act in very strange ways when theyre lost, and you might see a lake and you think its that lake you passed two miles back. Its actually a different lake, and this one has a boat on it and the other one didnt but you think maybe somebody bought a boat in the interval. Theres an amazing case i read about in the accidents in north american mountaineering. These people got lost and they came to a stream and they convinced themselves this must be the stream that leads to their camp except their camp is uphill and so basically they managed to convince themselves for some reason the river was flowing uphill, and they didnt know why, but it had to be because their camp had to be there and the river was flowing that way. I think thats the kind of when youre lost and you often find yourself in this kind of situation where like i know a and i know b and yet these things are mutually impossible, and you find yourself and thats when your stomach really sinks and thats when you know, oh, boy, my confidence is now waning because i actually theres a moment that comes. I dont know if it happens when youre in the city but theres a moment when youre in the woods and you generally have a sense i think i know where i am, and then oh, boy, this isnt where i thought i was. Several years ago when survival shows were just starting up on tv, the best one was survivor man. The host would car around a sack of camera gear into the woods. It was miserable most of the time and he really had a good sense of his own emotional balance as he was completely lost in the woods or desert or the south seas and was terrible he was a great warning away from doing stupid things and he knew when he was doing stupid things. He would explain them to the camera. It was really good in that sense. He wasnt as cute as bear gryll and didnt have the sexy british accent so he didnt last. He survived. He was lost. I think maybe we have time for one more. Front row seat gets it. Yeah so something that i like to do from time to time is to go onto google street view and just find some obscure road somewhere on some continent that ill never go to and just virtually drive around there just for whatever reason, and i wanted to get your feelings of virtually finding yourself in a completely unknown place in the comfort of your own home and how that compares to getting lost. I wrote a frugal traveler story on digital virtual staycations. You know, its fun. Its fun. I mean, its amazing that you can see these corners of the earth on google street view and on google earth. You can be underwater. You can be on an ice cap. Its incredible, but its not a substitute for the real thing. I mean, you can still go and make coffee. Its weird though, i had to go to pennsylvania recently and i got i like when im feeling paranoid to go and look at that weird turn because its bare left. What does that mean, bare left . Am i going straight or am i going left . And you can put yourself right gf before that intersection and see what it looks like and then you have that weird quasideja vu feeling when youre at this random county road in Lancaster County and you feel like ive been there before. Theres that weird guy in the red flannel shirt who is still there waiting for you. Yeah, exactly. And its weird, too, you probably noticed this, that youre here and its summertime and then you go two feet further and its winter all of a sudden. Well, lets see. Its 7 44. Should we pull one more out of the crowd and see if we can get flummoxed . Lets pick one from further back. The lady right here. With all the talk of like using technology to be found and that kind of stuff and to also get lost and i guess kind of was that me . I guess we have technology for everything, like literally for everything but now i think that people i guess around my age like in the 20s or something are starting to go back to like basics a little bit. The, quote, Hipster Movement or Something Like that. It seems ridiculous and seems like a fad, but do you think theyre kind of reaching a plateau of how much we integrate our lives with technology or do you think its kind of a path of no return . Like are we going to do microchips or are we all going to start this reb sans of going back to basics and trying to find ourselves in places we dont know where we are and trying to do all this for ourselves, being prepared without having to google everything or is it too far integrated . I totally hear you and i completely agree. Guys wandering around williamsburg with handle bar mustaches and the maker movement. I think were all feeling the same kind of nostalgia for real things and hand powered and a sense of connection because everything does feel virtual. You can start wandering around the world and feeling like youre in google street view all the time and not just for fun but kind of its enforced. Yeah. I think this is a really exciting time where in my lifetime just kind of weve gone from i remember being fascinated with the phone in the car to, you know, getting my first to beepers and then do the kind of upside down text on the beepers. And i think were in this really kind of fascinating time right now where we just dont really know where were headed and we are style kind of figuring it out. I certainly sympathize with that and i find and i often get yelled at by my girlfriend and others, put the phone down, be in the moment and i do kind of desire that. I dont know to what extent i think we may find some sort of equilibrium with that but at the end of the day a lot of these technologies are designed to be really addictive and there is this kind of catch22 is like the more we use them, the more they figure out like how to make it how to make the product more addictive, right . And so i think its going to be as much as we may have that desire and we may find out, you know, 70 years from now these are like cigarettes when cigarettes first came out and everybody was doing it but then eventually you just learn like, hey, grandma, put the cigarette down. So, you know, i think its a fascinating question. I dont know where its going to end up at, but i do think were in this very kind of like new kind of an exciting time right now that well find some equilibrium at some point. I think were still pretty nascent. Were just now beginning the whole internet of things movement where every part of you can be tracked and data can be collected so youre making the most efficient decisions about, you know, your consumerism or whatever else you might be doing. I keep actually talking to people about the idea that like the punk kids created straight edge where they dont drink or use drugs or any of that stuff that im waiting for the Straight Edge Technology straight edge movement. Maybe its here. So it will be an interesting dichotomy to watch people try to hold onto that feeling of maybe finding serendipity without the aid of technology and balancing it with finding serendipity with the age of technology. Ill be the opposite end of that. You cant escape it. You know, the maker stuff is great. I think theres a ton of people in their 20s who are returning to print media, who want to have something actual to hold, but that is in opposition to the overwhelming 95. 999 of the rest of the world that is hurtling towards greater integration with technology. Were going to have devices in our clothes. Not every piece of clothing but like your cool jacket that is going to play music and know where you are, be able to give you, you know, status updates on your on the wrist of your sleeve. Thats going to happen. Its going to happen faster than anyone really expect it is to. And its not going to be optional do you think . Its going to be so ubiquitous that the option will the option it will be the same as, you know, getting a custom made suit instead of just getting whats available everywhere. Every gap and old navy and forever 21 is selling this stuff that has Technology Integrated into it. Thats everything. Thats like everything, everywhere. Well let you have the final word. I think both of you hit on something very interesting. Its like the technology is not just kind of this desire to be connected but also this idea of like optimizing experiences. So its made us all kind of hyperaware of what everyone else is doing, what everyone else has previously done. And so there was this article going around recently around this restaurant, i think it was in new york, and they were looking at trying to figure out i dont even know inknow was a true article but it made sense. Theyve been trying to optimize their service over the past 20 years and theyve been getting nowhere and theyve been trying to do a bunch of stuff with their staff. And 20 years ago people would sit at the restaurant, look at the menu, order something and move on. The first thing we do now is sit down with our phones. Part of the reason is we go to yelp. We want to know whats the best thing to order right here. Its the same way like you said with travel. Im going to spain, im going to barcelona, what are the two or three strauprestaurants i have visit while im here for fear of missing out those moments. So i think that thats another piece to it. Its this kind of am i my fit bit, am i optimizing my daily steps. Should i take 22 more steps before i go to sleep. To your point, i dont know that its a hard thing to try to put out of your mind because were brought up in this world to try to be the best, constant improvement or striving. A lot of these technologies enable it. As much as we want to go back a little bit, i do kind of feel the same way. Well, i cant top that. I think clarence summed it up as well as it can be summed up. So lets call that good, and thank you all for coming, and its been a great pleasure. Thanks to my fellow panelists. [ applause ] today a hearing on retired ju. Marine Sergeant Andrew tam ri si who was arrested in tijuana mexico on march 31st and remains detained in a mexican prison. The subcommittee will hear from the sergeants mother and retired marine and talk show host montel williams. Live coverage starting at 10 00 a. M. Eastern on cspan. Tonight cspan3 in prime time features events from the new york ideas festival. 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House debate between john lewis and former state nor republican ryan zinke. Cspan campaign 2014. More than 100 debates for the control of congress. Next, a look at the expansion of consumer drones with a panel of robot and drone builders and software developers. This event was hosted by the Churchill Club in california. Its 90 minutes. [ applause ] thanks, karen. And thanks to the Churchill Club for organizing another fantastic event and a ral fascinating topic. Just a few words to kick off. Our focus is on small drones. Well talk about consumer, well talk about the enterprise space as well. And i think we can all recognize this is an area that is just changing by the day with just amazing potential. I was thinking, you know, as we were Getting Started, you just look at some of the things that weve seen from drone cameras in the past just this year. You know, its given the world remarkable footage of the demonstrations in thailand and in the ukraine and a completely different realm its enabled us to watch space xs grasshopper rocket, footage of that taking off and landing. Weve seen amazon showing their vision for how our packages might be delivered in the future. And as youve seen on the screens over dinner, just remarkable footage of the world around us showing us unique ways to view the world, and, of course, youve all just experienced probably likely for most of you in the audience your first dronee and they are the latest fads and they will probably be very old news in the world taken by eric, one of the worlds best drone photographers. Were only just Getting Started on the drone journey. We have an amazing panel with chris, eric, and jonathan. In typical churchill fashion well start with everyone introducing themselves. So chris. Im chris andersen, the ceo of through robotics. I was the editor of wired magazine for more than a decade and how i went from the editor of a magazine to the ceo of an Aerospace Company is a story well probably end up talking about, but lets just say back in the media days i didnt have to run my own factory and now i do. So that was the hard part. The fun part is we get to put cameras in the air and open up a new frontier of imaging and big data and thats incredibly exciting. My name is eric cheng. Im director of Aerial Imaging at dji. I sort of was on path in technology and i have a Computer Science degree or two and then i sort of fell off, much to my parents disappointment and ended up being a photographer doing wildlife underwater photography for about ten years as well as some publishing and recently i have been sort of sucked back into technology and here i am. Jonathan downey, the founder and ceo of air ware. I have been in the drone space for about ten years beginning at m. I. T. , then later at boeing working on the development of large 6,000 pound fully autonomous helicopter system. Was briefly an Airline Pilot flying between las vegas and the grand canyon and really started air ware to address some problems that i saw as an undergrad at m. I. T. In developing a drone for specific targeted application. We build a platform. The platform is hardware, software, and Cloud Services that really power drones and enable them to be developed by other companies. So the one thing we dont do at air ware is actually build the drones ourselves. Im christian sands, founder and ceo of sky catch. We build fully autonomous ground robots and uavs for collecting data. Some of our clients are bechtel, clayco and they use the robots to collect data across all their job sites. Our goal is to help all these companies with logistics, help them optimize process, safety, and we just finished our series a round and thankful to be here with you guys. Thats great. Thank you. Obviously an amazing panel. First question to chris. Where are we today with the underlying technologies that make these small drones possible and where is it heading . Sure. Well, first of all we should probably define with a drone is, and we could probably all disagree. Any Robotics Panel you will always disagree about definitions. I would say its aircraft that are capable of full autonomy. They fly by themselves, they have gps guidance. Its not a piloted experience. It can be piloted if you want. We call them optionally piloted but by and large like any robot they do jobs that are dull, dirty, or dangerous, and they do it without human intervention. These two are both robots whether they look like it not. Gps guided and incredibly intelligent. The reason this is possible, the reason