Think well be looking at. Never underestimate the power of public shaming. Thats what i have learned in if if from the outside you can show that there really is a very dangerous situation that is not addressed, many of us here in this audience have worked in the its its all a case of priorities. You have a full basket. Its a case of what do you put at the top. And the set is of insentives that you have inside the government dont always align with National Priorities if you have the time to sit and look at it. I i think look iing from the outside, trying to raise the priority of things that really are potential problems is important. I i think that was what that 300 billion figure that we had in our commission, i think is the most powerful thing. Something thats graspable that really motivates action. I havent come up with that, but that would push it because solutions that i prescribe are if you were put into a panel and given a couple months to work on it. I think its known as the motivation and i think its known as the motivation and the drive that needs to be put together. But dont underestimate. Not all commissions are created i i think that one did have impact. I i can count 50 others that are still gathering dust. So timing was important, but i also think it was framed and captured in such a way that wasnt written to a tech specialist, economist, or even simply a policymaker. It was all of the above. We have had a long day. I think here. Please wait for the mike. I was very intrigued in how you put together internet of things with big data. May i suggest that this could be expanded into things for big data for theres the general concept that the more the merrier, the bigger the database the better. However, some ten years ago, there was an act for statistical efficiency. And and i have heard presentations on the fact that with big data you can use to put all the data in and the answer comes out. So we need to be scrutinizing when we put the inputs for big data where they come from. Whether they are from samples carefully designed or whether they come from the internet of things or from the internet or volunteer information. If we do not, then the efficiency of big data is going to be hindered. This is more of a comment than a question. I i thank you for your presentation. As you were talking, i was trying to think could big data help with the security of the internet of things. Its an intriguing concept if you have all of this data coming in maybe you know what a standard pattern of a system looks like and something that happened could be more quickly detected. You you could get some help in deciding if this was something thats happening in the physical world or whether somebody is screwing with your system and thats an intrigu youd take a different set of actions. Thats an intriguing idea to put those together, which would argue for not sampling, but keeping all of the data and trying to figure out the pattern looking back to be able to reverse engineer what we have seen in the past and may have missed. We might get to the point that we could do some of that. The one thing i would urge is youre always going to have false positives. At the end of the day, were learning every step of the way. So dont expect to push a button and get the answer. Im waiting for that day. People tell me they have the answer, but im still waiting for that day. We have a question here. Thank you for your talk. Hes a ringer. Hes one of my students. Frank is a great guy. I thought your talk on the iot was interesting. And it seems like we have a multidimensional problem. We have decision makers, private Sector Companies that want to make a profit. We have a consumer that doesnt want then then you have our concerns around security. So they are competing interests. I want to get more thoughts on how we could close the gap there. What what are ideas on im not sure if a regulation would allow us it to close the gap quicker. Warning stickers on refrigerators that have computers on them. Its nice if somebody is mo monitoring that for us and doing it at 2 00 a. M. , but is it essential versus the risks that its run . Thats a trivial example. As you get more and more devices closer to your health and welfare, it doesnt become so trivial. How many how many of us have tried to use a complicated digital piece of gear and found that it wasnt worth the trouble and wasnt something we used before. Companies can also make those rather than blindly buy in the next cool thing. As laptops are getting bigger, it wasnt your office size that was important. It was what the power of your computer was. We bought those things mind far more mindlessly. Far more power than wed ever use. Can i ask to pull a threat on that with a different direction. Government can drive. The purchasing power. You did see a department of defense through weapons platforms. The last the last thing you want is when you push that button when they are supposed to and it doesnt its third party vender issue as well. If if i made big vender im going to start asking some of these questions from an iot perspective which gets back to maybe the provider concept that you had whether its the cloud those might be the drivers. This could be an area where they could. Buys lots of stuff in government and there are other Government Departments and agencies that buy huge amounts of digital equipment to try to increase their efficiency. I think at a minimum they should insist on the highest standards. As you know this boils down to some clause and thick document enforced by some who who is not computer trained. You sneed smart z cios doing this stuff. So i think in those areas in which it applies a certain retooling of your contracting workforce with cios is important. The the same is true for big c when when ive talked to people who are not deeply personally involved in i. T. Matters they are no more smart an this stuff than the average Government Official is. So i think it cuts across both buying smart. It meanhouse need to up the game of the people who are doing it. We have time f last last one here. Thank you for your comments. I would like to ask you to elaborate on some of them with regards to your comments about standard setting entities such as underwriters and maybe even having some regulation regarding internet of things and security. I find that fascinating. Would you elaborate on what current Government Entity might be capable of regulating or what type of consortium youd consider for developing standards. I i can talk with the great wisdom of never having worked on the domestic side of government. You have some insurance entities that are looking at underwriting. Somewhere in the Commerce Department i think has a convening power to get the different regulatory bodies together, but it would have to be a new sort of type of regulation and standard. If any of you have been involved in the writing of government regulations, its not a pretty process. But but i think we have when its done well, its done by u bringing in the private companies who actually are going to be the regulate tees at an early stage. Not given it to every single one of their demands because they want to achieve. But taking into effect the realities that they do. So i would sort of put together a group from several different agencies basically under the Commerce Department, call in lots of the companies to help and then, as i say, i think we put way too much time in trying to make the 1. 0 edition really good instead of trying to get it out there and making 2. 0 better and 3. 0 better than that. If we can learn one thing from the software industry, its to get something out thats pretty good and then really build it and increase it. Admiral, unfortunately the tyranny of time requires i be a bit of a tyrant. Thank you for a phenomenal q a. I u think you made clear that you truly are a soldier scholar. So thank you for taking the time. Let let me also thank all of you for joining us today. Let me thank our viewers on cspan and particularly some of the companies that made this possible for us. So thank you, admiral. And thanks to everyone for joining us all day today. [ applause ] this was part of a daylong conference on National Security hosted by George Washington you can watch all of university. You can watch all of it on our web well well show you another part in just a few moments here on cspan 3. On the issue of counterterrorism, the hill reporting this morning senator angus king introduced a bill to require the administration to develop a policy to detee